Topic: Trek-Online.com giving us guys here good reviews

[CyberTrekFan]

http://www.trek-online.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1032

I guess the stgu, yes the same site that verbally flamed attaked my 11 year old son for 3 days, has now started their own modder and modeler guild and I guess they want you all to leave here and go there. I hope you guys dont, I have enjoyed learning from you all and seeing what you have to offer. I would not feel comfortable going to a site that lets kids be treated like they have.

I know you all have been here for a long time, I have been here from the move myself, mostly just a quiet visiter spying for my buddy Wildcard so he can get models and techniques for his near distant future mod, I am no modder or modeler bu I do love to view them and see whay you all come up woth next.

I am proud you all allow me to comment on your work and interact with you daily here.

But I was asked to let you all know as well about the original modders roundtable located here http://www.cugs.org/modding/index.php this is the original thing that was started and then stole by stgu, I think Frey is involved to some point but dont know how much, I know he is the real reason you all have this place to use and it is awesome.

I just wanted to give you all an outsider point of view, and what I think is happening. I know you all cant wait to get your hands on Legacy, and I am excited as well. I cant wait to see you all make some Cadaassian, Dominion, Pirate, and Rakellian ships for it.

I hope I have not overstepped my bounds here.

[Centurus]

*scratches himself in various areas as he gets up from his sleep, looks at the screen, then tosses various pieces of furniture at the news on the screen*  Turn this thing off and put on some good programming.  *sees his cadets change the channel to Rocky and Bullwinkle*

[ModelsPlease]

No worries, we're staying put right here. These forums are our home 

[ModelsPlease]

yeah so cant change it now and to be honest everyone can bad mouth me as much as they want, and besides if i had listened to you dude i wouldnt be having all this fun

You call this fun  . We need to get you a new *TOY*. 

[GotAFarmYet?]

Seems you have to be a memeber just to read their forums, I am so not interested in them now (just like before)

[CyberTrekFan]

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[Starforce2]

Well, there's really no resonse to fret about it...SFC has battleclinic, sfc3files, and I believe frostworks and nightsoft (despite the poor uptime) are avail too.

Filesnetwork will have a legacyfiles supposedly so if ya go into that it's covered.

[intermech]

Ah, yeah, there were always the popular kids that went off and started their own games in the corners. I was never one of them.  Creation of these other forums smells like elitism, something that unfortunately the SFC community is prone to more so than others (save the Galactic Battlegrounds community, now they are a hard nut to crack). When I first started modelling for SFC, I could not get anyone to post my models for months, submittal after submittal, noone would look at them. Then I had this great idea of a free use policy and my own site open to all who pass by. Noobies upon noobies would contact me about my ships, I helped several new modellers get their footing via e-mail and IM tutorials. From my diverse interaction, I gained new inspiration and ideas for original, somtimes controversial ship shapes. The danger of elitism is stagnation in creativity resulting in 50 kitbashes of a P82 Constitution class differing only in length of the warp nacels. Everyone, please understand that bringing new minds into our community is esential to our survival. Locking the elites away in some modding think tank will not allow the community to grow. Neither will shunning noobies with special passwords and forum rank rights.

[Starforce2]

Yea I'm surprised I haven't heard more about your ships. Alot of them went on "unwanted" and the few that did I've not seen anything being done about them. I'll hafta track down all the people that wanted the pack you had outalance send to BC and see whats up with that.

[Centurus]

*smacks the entire thread with a rubber chicken*  I thought we changed the channel.  Oh well.  *sits himself down, scratches himself in various areas that most people aren't aware exist on the human body, then eats some chips and watches*  Maybe something good will come on eventually.  *whistles the theme to Andy Griffith*

[KBF-Crim]

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QUOTE(Chuck_IGN (IGN Staff))

Hello everyone,

At STGU request I am posting, in an effort to end what appears to be a very odd, deliberately misleading debate. Here is the actual situation, doing my best to put it all in plain English.

Please note there is a big difference between IGN's terms of service and our hosting agreement, because hosted sites are NOT owned or operated by IGN, we simply provide the platform and tools to run a website well.

I am not a legal expert, but I am familiar with our hosting ToS both in letter and spirit.

The short answer is simple, hosted sites run themselves, own their content and are responsible for it. IGN's involvement and responsibilty for hosted sites content is minimal, and covered by the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) Safe Harbor. Look here for great detail on that law, it is a very important standard for the internet.

Really what that means to IGN is that we DO NOT want to own or take responsibility for hosted site content. Ou ToS is designed to leave that responsibility in the hands of the site owner.

If any modders or game fansite website operators/owners out there need more detail, go here:

Frankly, this seems to be a foolish debate fueled by someone who is attempting to apply terms of service from one site (IGN) to another (STGU).

ON COPYRIGHT LAW

* If you created soemthing, you own it. Plain and simple. Unless a commercial transaction specifically occurs to assign rights, they remain with the creator of the original work.

When you post your work for free download, it is fair game for others to repost as long as they do not attempt to earn money or make clear cut commercial gain from the original work.

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* Hosted sites are indeed responsible for their own content - and IGN/GameSpy does not attempt to make any claims of ownership on that content. We have no legal grounds, nor business reasons, to do so.

So modders, if you upload your work to STGU, you still own your work. If you are a modder we host a site for, same deal, your content belongs to you.

ON POSTING YOUR WORK IN FORUMS AND OTHER PUBLIC LOCATIONS (like IGN blogs)

* The terms of service for using any site are specific to that site. So read STGU's policy on usage of content, read IGN's policy on usage of content, etc. When you post information anywhere you should always be aware that
it could end up anywhere!



Chuck Condon
hosting Manager
IGN Entertainment, Inc.

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Just wanted to pass this along...

[ModelsPlease]

Well we all know we won't be posting ANYTHING there lol. No Worries 

[Major A Payne]

Well my personal take on the matter is such that forums who have to "hide" their content from non-registered users have exactly that - something to hide. I will not have anything to do with these people who do such things. Plain and simple.

[I, Mudd.]

Well my personal take on the matter is such that forums who have to "hide" their content from non-registered users have exactly that - something to hide. I will not have anything to do with these people who do such things. Plain and simple.

Not trying to be a smartass or anything, but one must also register at Demon Renegade Studios Forum in order to see the content ...

... and we all know that sneaky Zombie has got to be up to no good, right?

Just an observation;

I, Mudd.

[Tus-XC]

Well my personal take on the matter is such that forums who have to "hide" their content from non-registered users have exactly that - something to hide. I will not have anything to do with these people who do such things. Plain and simple.

Not trying to be a smartass or anything, but one must also register at Demon Renegade Studios Forum in order to see the content ...

... and we all know that sneaky Zombie has got to be up to no good, right?

Just an observation;

I, Mudd.

to clariffy mudd's sarcasm registration makes it easier to block spam bots....

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That's rediculous..... you submit something you don't want the hosts meddling with it, just hosting it.... they'll never see my guide that's for sure......

[KBF-Crim]

you hereby irrevocably grant to IGN, its affiliates and distributors, a worldwide,

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format or medium now known or later developed.

That's rediculous..... you submit something you don't want the hosts meddling with it, just hosting it.... they'll never see my guide that's for sure......

Read the clearly posted correct to the mis information posted:

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Word form IGN concerning this mis information...

--------------------------------------------------------

QUOTE(Chuck_IGN (IGN Staff))

Hello everyone,

At STGU request I am posting, in an effort to end what appears to be a very odd, deliberately misleading debate. Here is the actual situation, doing my best to put it all in plain English.

Please note there is a big difference between IGN's terms of service and our hosting agreement, because hosted sites are NOT owned or operated by IGN, we simply provide the platform and tools to run a website well.

I am not a legal expert, but I am familiar with our hosting ToS both in letter and spirit.

The short answer is simple, hosted sites run themselves, own their content and are responsible for it. IGN's involvement and responsibilty for hosted sites content is minimal, and covered by the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) Safe Harbor. Look here for great detail on that law, it is a very important standard for the internet.

Really what that means to IGN is that we DO NOT want to own or take responsibility for hosted site content. Ou ToS is designed to leave that responsibility in the hands of the site owner.

If any modders or game fansite website operators/owners out there need more detail, go here:

Frankly, this seems to be a foolish debate fueled by someone who is attempting to apply terms of service from one site (IGN) to another (STGU).

ON COPYRIGHT LAW

* If you created soemthing, you own it. Plain and simple. Unless a commercial transaction specifically occurs to assign rights, they remain with the creator of the original work.

When you post your work for free download, it is fair game for others to repost as long as they do not attempt to earn money or make clear cut commercial gain from the original work.

RE: HOSTED SITE CONTENT OWNERSHIP

* Hosted sites are indeed responsible for their own content - and IGN/GameSpy does not attempt to make any claims of ownership on that content. We have no legal grounds, nor business reasons, to do so.

So modders, if you upload your work to STGU, you still own your work. If you are a modder we host a site for, same deal, your content belongs to you.

ON POSTING YOUR WORK IN FORUMS AND OTHER PUBLIC LOCATIONS (like IGN blogs)

* The terms of service for using any site are specific to that site. So read STGU's policy on usage of content, read IGN's policy on usage of content, etc. When you post information anywhere you should always be aware that
it could end up anywhere!



Chuck Condon
hosting Manager
IGN Entertainment, Inc.

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[CyberTrekFan]

It is not misinformation, it is in their TOS, it is in the STGU TOS, it would not be there if some where sown the road that if they wanted to do something they could and be covered.

If it is not meant to be in there, it wouldnt be in there in black and white to begin with, KBF dont believe everything your told from a company that wants you to pay to download downloads you need for a game, that is if you dont want to wait in line for an hour.

Point blank they are in it for the money, and modelers are not, they do it for the fun and enjoyment, if IGN or Gamespy think they can turn it into money, you will be seeing the quoted text above and a "we do post our TOS on our site you should of read them" reply to your anger.

[Major A Payne]

Well my personal take on the matter is such that forums who have to "hide" their content from non-registered users have exactly that - something to hide. I will not have anything to do with these people who do such things. Plain and simple.

Not trying to be a smartass or anything, but one must also register at Demon Renegade Studios Forum in order to see the content ...

... and we all know that sneaky Zombie has got to be up to no good, right?

Just an observation;

I, Mudd.

Maybe so Mudd, but how many minors do you know actually are truthfull when it comes to stating whether they are "13 years or above", when carrying out registration. The thing is the anonimity of the internet is such that ANYONE can register on ANY forum without there being any kind of check carried out. Remember the amount of youngsters under 13 visit such things as chatrooms and can easily make themselves out to seem much older.

[I, Mudd.]

I'm confused, Major.

Firstly, Tus called it like I wrote it, VERY toungue in cheek. Your response, however, is baffling. Is this a reference to cybertrekfan's post at the begining?

I, Mudd.

[KBF-Crim]

It is not misinformation, it is in their TOS, it is in the STGU TOS, it would not be there if some where sown the road that if they wanted to do something they could and be covered.

If it is not meant to be in there, it wouldnt be in there in black and white to begin with, KBF dont believe everything your told from a company that wants you to pay to download downloads you need for a game, that is if you dont want to wait in line for an hour.

Point blank they are in it for the money, and modelers are not, they do it for the fun and enjoyment, if IGN or Gamespy think they can turn it into money, you will be seeing the quoted text above and a "we do post our TOS on our site you should of read them" reply to your anger.

Oh...Ok...so that's your posistion...Chuck is a liar...he want's to rip everyone off...

Utter BS...

The very same TOS YOU posted spells it out clearly...but appearantly you didnt want to read it...you only took someones word for it...

I reference this statement in the TOS that YOU provided...

"When you submit a game FAQ, text guide,

walkthrough or image, it is considered your original and copyrighted work and you are licensing the content to IGN

Entertainment for publication. We may modify the format and display of the work, but not the content"

I read the TOS too....I can only assume that you are mis-reading it or dont clearly understand it......it's pretty damn simple as far as agreements go...

They (like most websites) have every right to control content posted to said website, move it, alter it's format, delete it, or post it on their front page.....that DOES NOT mean that they can STEAL works posted on said websites and use them to generate revenue...

You'd have a such a clear case for legal redress that they would most likely settle out of court...

And for the record...NO ONE....read that again....NO ONE..... can hold copywrite to ANY ship, image,, render, or story, that is in ANY WAY a derivative work of Paramount (Star Trek)...

Hello?....you get that?

That sweet Connie or D7?....if it's publiclly posted for DL....and Paramount wants to use it in a game...guess what...they CAN....because they ALLREADY OWN the intellectually property that work is based on..

That's why they are called "derivative works"....

Mods, models, renders, script, fiction...hell even a crayon drawing....they ALLREADY OWN IT....read the EULA....

Have they ever done such a thing?...no....not to my knowledge....but that doesnt mean they dont have the legal right to do so...

Paramount has an "unwritten" policy...they will not hammer you so long as: such works are FREE to the general public, such works REQUIRE the onership of a licensed game for use, such works respect the intellectual property owners ....

What that also means....is...IGN or GSA cannot legally take and use property based on Paramounts ownership rights (trek universe ships)...unless it falls under "fair use" in the first place...

You're worried about terms of service agreements?...did you read your End User License Agreement?

The EULA is quite clear on who owns what....read it..then complain about website terms of service...

Just because Paramount "looks the other way" concerning trek fiction, images, meshes, and scripts...doesnt mean they still dont hold OWNERSHIP of anything produced based on THEIR intellectual property..

You have no proof that IGN, STGU, or GSA has EVER taken posted items and used them for any purpose other than inform.

If you do....post it...I'd like to see it...at least something other than "the sky is falling"....

If not.. drop it....it's only sowing seeds of discontent for the express purpose of furthering other fansite/ on fansite attacks that we will NOT participate in....

Is that clear enough?

[CyberTrekFan]

I see that you want to believe and read well into what some may discribe as between the lines, are you one of those people who think something is more than what it is? One of those conspiracy everywhere people?

Well I see your a moderator here, so you can basicly shove what you want us to believe down our throat and we have to say ok and move on or you will warn us or suspend us or whatever. So you get the last say, and I will pretend your right when I am here.

[Mackie]

Right, right. I am a bit confused here, whats all the commotion?
Could someone possibly put this all in a nutshell for me?

[Bonk]

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EDIT: emphasis added. According to this, we are technically not even allowed to post Trek based models anywhere for free download. Thankfully, Paramount has been kind enough to overlook that and allow us to have our fun. (see my sig)

This is why I tire of the endless flames about rights and permissions to SFC models. If you make or modify a Trek model it does not, and will not ever belong to you; Paramount has complete rights over it and may use it as they see fit or decide to stop allowing SFC/Trek mods of any kind at any time.

[KBF-Crim]

I see that you want to believe and read well into what some may discribe as between the lines,

No..I'm am basing this on clearly worded posts from Paramount, ADB, Quicksilver,Activision,Interplay and just about anyone else involved in anyway with license for SFC.

are you one of those people who think something is more than what it is? One of those conspiracy everywhere people?

Be very careful....someone could misconstrue this as a personal attack...

Well I see your a moderator here, so you can basicly shove what you want us to believe down our throat and we have to say ok and move on or you will warn us or suspend us or whatever.

Poppycock...I am subject to the same rules of decorm and forum use that you are...for you to imply that I would use my position here to further petty arguements on other fans sites is utter nonesence and totally unfounded.

I am trying to correct the record based on YEARS of observations, conversations,and the EULA itself...

the only thing I'm shoving is the clear text of the game EULA, and the TOS that you posted...

So you get the last say, and I will pretend your right when I am here.

No need to pretend anything...I clearly said that if you have proof of the wild accusations against other fansites stealling peoples works...then POST IT...

This isnt a petty arguement....it concerns very legal rights of ownership...who has them...and who does not...

What you are asserting is a VERY serious charge...that could effect a companies bottom line....and that does have real world ramifications...

I'm sure everyone here has a vested interest in their works....but we've had this very copywrite discussion right here dozens of times....allways with the same result....in the end..what is binding is the EULA....

I suggest you read it.

You have every right to disagree with me....you dont have the right to ignore what everyone around here allready knows to be true...

Your rights to hold copywrite for items produced as derivative works based on Paramounts intellectual property is nil.....as is IGN's,GSA, or STGU, STG,DV.net, outlance....ANYONE...

That DOES NOT mean that anyone has the right to "steal" your work...once it is public domain...it cannot be stolen...But clearly..using people works (models, fiction, renders) without consent is in EXTREME bad taste and not tolerated on anyweb site I know including DV.net...

We've had no problems that we couldnt resolve within the community and No one that I know of has had any works "stolen" by IGN, or GSA ...

Once again...if you have proof otherwise....please post it...I'm sure we'd all like to see it...

Thanks.

[Terradyhne]

http://www.trek-online.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1032

I guess the stgu, yes the same site that verbally flamed attaked my 11 year old son for 3 days, has now started their own modder and modeler guild and I guess they want you all to leave here and go there. I hope you guys dont, I have enjoyed learning from you all and seeing what you have to offer. I would not feel comfortable going to a site that lets kids be treated like they have.

I know you all have been here for a long time, I have been here from the move myself, mostly just a quiet visiter spying for my buddy Wildcard so he can get models and techniques for his near distant future mod, I am no modder or modeler bu I do love to view them and see whay you all come up woth next.

I am proud you all allow me to comment on your work and interact with you daily here.

But I was asked to let you all know as well about the original modders roundtable located here http://www.cugs.org/modding/index.php this is the original thing that was started and then stole by stgu, I think Frey is involved to some point but dont know how much, I know he is the real reason you all have this place to use and it is awesome.

I just wanted to give you all an outsider point of view, and what I think is happening. I know you all cant wait to get your hands on Legacy, and I am excited as well. I cant wait to see you all make some Cadaassian, Dominion, Pirate, and Rakellian ships for it.

I hope I have not overstepped my bounds here.

and i idiot have joined this modders guild but after some posts of me i have seen that the people there are only answering to that Legacy and BC sh**  (games which i defenetly don't like)

[KBF-Crim]

http://www.trek-online.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1032

I guess the stgu, yes the same site that verbally flamed attaked my 11 year old son for 3 days, has now started their own modder and modeler guild and I guess they want you all to leave here and go there. I hope you guys dont, I have enjoyed learning from you all and seeing what you have to offer. I would not feel comfortable going to a site that lets kids be treated like they have.

I know you all have been here for a long time, I have been here from the move myself, mostly just a quiet visiter spying for my buddy Wildcard so he can get models and techniques for his near distant future mod, I am no modder or modeler bu I do love to view them and see whay you all come up woth next.

I am proud you all allow me to comment on your work and interact with you daily here.

But I was asked to let you all know as well about the original modders roundtable located here http://www.cugs.org/modding/index.php this is the original thing that was started and then stole by stgu, I think Frey is involved to some point but dont know how much, I know he is the real reason you all have this place to use and it is awesome.

I just wanted to give you all an outsider point of view, and what I think is happening. I know you all cant wait to get your hands on Legacy, and I am excited as well. I cant wait to see you all make some Cadaassian, Dominion, Pirate, and Rakellian ships for it.

I hope I have not overstepped my bounds here.

and i idiot have joined this modders guild but after some posts of me i have seen that the people there are only answering to that Legacy and BC sh**  (games which i defenetly don't like)

Dont forget Terra...that Many people are more concerned how the models or depicted in those games rather than the game play...

Legacy looks to be an eye stunner..it may very well be that the game play follows..

BC...while many dont like the game play....clearly supports more poly's than SFC...basiclly...the same ships look much better in BC...

It's just a matter of personal preference for many...

[S31-Riptide]

Amen Brother Bonk for your reminder post way up there... 

People tend to forget the current and possible restraints that we all work under.

 

[OlBuzzard]

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EDIT: emphasis added. According to this, we are technically not even allowed to post Trek based models anywhere for free download. Thankfully, Paramount has been kind enough to overlook that and allow us to have our fun. (see my sig)

This is why I tire of the endless flames about rights and permissions to SFC models. If you make or modify a Trek model it does not, and will not ever belong to you; Paramount has complete rights over it and may use it as they see fit or decide to stop allowing SFC/Trek mods of any kind at any time.

here-in is the truth.  Some like it ...  some don't.  Some don't have a problem working with it ..  some really get upset. 

Some understand this simple legal point ... and others will rant for ever (and still be wrong).

Bottom line:

What Bonk has posted is the truth.

This does not take away from our work.  It does not take away from what we can contribute to the ongoing saga of what history will undoubtedly record as one of the greatest SCIFI adventures ever written.

As for the future prospects of our work ... 

IMHO ...   we can either grow with the industry, acknowledge change, (and if we play our cards right) ...  even make a worthy contribution to that on going saga.

Bickering over who has the "rights" ....   some how ..  I don't see that as helping us out a whole lot!

[wulf111]

i agree with F_W and OlBuzz i think we have had enough of this. no one group is trying to steal others works they are just CYA's i personally dont care who uses my models i just make them for the fun of it not for glory or reputation its just for fun guys. sometimes you guys take things a little too seriously. lighten up a little and have fun doing what you are doing. as i always say dont sweat the small stuff, its all small stuff.