Post by: Verroc on November 24, 2003, 11:58:47 am
with some pal's bout what is the most famous ship in history. I know what a dumb thing to argue about! Anyway what do you all recon..Came down to
Titanic
Victory
Cutty Sark
Bismarck
I would prob say titanic, but bismarck is my fav
Post by: Sethan on November 24, 2003, 12:22:45 pm
[Edit: Though if you're going to mention Bismarck, there is always the HMS Hood]
"...and when the fight was over, the mighty Hood went down."
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 24, 2003, 12:46:53 pm
Iowa
Hunley
Lusitania
Monitor & Merrimack (CSS Virginia)
Constitution (Old Ironsides)
Post by: Matsukasi on November 24, 2003, 12:50:42 pm
< bows >
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 24, 2003, 01:05:02 pm
Post by: JMM on November 24, 2003, 01:20:44 pm
Post by: Toasty0 on November 24, 2003, 01:25:03 pm
oh well,
The Niņa, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria
Mayflower
The Endevor and Resolution (Captain Cook ya all)
Exodus (oy! If you have to ask...)
The Minow (hehehe, Skipper!)
Post by: Matsukasi on November 24, 2003, 01:29:40 pm
Post by: JMM on November 24, 2003, 01:33:23 pm
Post by: Taldren_Erin on November 24, 2003, 01:43:41 pm
Post by: Sethan on November 24, 2003, 01:45:31 pm
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Titanic was even released in Iraq! I
OT, but talk about not having a common frame of reference:
Film about privileged upper class people drowning / freezing to death in frigid waters after their ship hits an iceberg...
...shown in a desert country where most people are poor, the only ice they see is man-made, and the primary concern is finding ways to stay out of the heat.
Post by: BortaS on November 24, 2003, 01:49:24 pm
Post by: Uss_Defiant on November 24, 2003, 02:00:43 pm
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The HMS Victory.
Aye.. along with that 4 decker Spanish ship that fought in Trafalgar...anyone remember her name?
Post by: Kmelew on November 24, 2003, 02:03:06 pm
Not only was she the first all big gun battleship, but she was the first large warship to use steam turbines. She also was the only battleship to sick an enemy vessel during wartime by ramming (rammed a U-boat during WWI, the only enemy she ever sank).
USS Olympia, Dewey's flagship at the Battle of Manila Bay. Currently a museum ship in Philadelphia, its the oldest steel warship still afloat.
USS Fulton II--World's first steam warship
La Gloire--First Ironclad
HMS Warrior--First British iroclad, response to La Gloire
Great Eastern--Built in the late 1850's (?), capable of carrying nearly 5000 passengers. Failure as a passenger ship, but successful as a cable layer. Was the largest ship in the world for nearly 30 years.
CSS Hunley--Confederate submersible. First submarine to sink an enemy vessel in combat.
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 24, 2003, 02:07:30 pm
Post by: 762 on November 24, 2003, 02:10:42 pm
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The HMS Victory.
Aye.. along with that 4 decker Spanish ship that fought in Trafalgar...anyone remember her name?
Santisima Trinidad.
My vote however goes to the USS Enterprise, who participated in almost every major engagement in WWII, and sank at least 2 Japanese carriers.
Post by: Dallas on November 24, 2003, 02:22:00 pm
Starblazers baybeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Postman on November 24, 2003, 02:25:39 pm
USS Arizona and/or the Lusitania
Post by: Hilton on November 24, 2003, 02:52:47 pm
Post by: TB613 on November 24, 2003, 02:55:59 pm
Ok now, how many of you out there know what the significance of this ship is?
Post by: 762 on November 24, 2003, 03:05:42 pm
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USS Niagara.
Gonna take a stab here...
Was that Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry's flagship in the Battle of Lake Champlain?
Post by: TB613 on November 24, 2003, 03:34:38 pm
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USS Niagara.
Gonna take a stab here...
Was that Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry's flagship in the Battle of Lake Champlain?
Ding, ding, we have a winner. While they were having an arms race worthy of the early twentieth century battleship race on Lake Ontario building bigger and bigger ships including laying down a 130(!) gunner. Perry and his British conterpart Robert Heriot Barclay came to grips and fought one of the most strategically important naval actions of the War of 1812. Actually the Niagara was Perry's second flagship during the battle. He transfered his flag from the Lawrence when she was too shot up to continue the fight.
Post by: Barabbas on November 24, 2003, 04:02:53 pm
{drum roll please....}
New....
Joy....
...Zee?
Most decorated battleship in United States Navy history?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
Post by: Kmelew on November 24, 2003, 04:16:06 pm
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Have NONE of you ever heard of the....
{drum roll please....}
New....
Joy....
...Zee?
Most decorated battleship in United States Navy history?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
"Firepower for Freedom"
I have some pictures of the exterior and interior of the ship, including a 16" turret. I will try to scan them soon and post them.
BTW the "Big J" is the longest of the Iowa-class ships, by about 6". This is because the Philadelphia Naval Yard workers, many who were from NJ, left a piece steel in the bow that was normally cut off. They wanted the New Jersey to stand out from her sisters.
Post by: GE-Raven on November 24, 2003, 04:30:39 pm
Edmund Fitzgerald?
GE-Raven
Post by: Taldren_Erin on November 24, 2003, 04:38:47 pm
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I've got you all beat. One ship that has struck fear into every sailor. The Flying Dutchman!
=)
Post by: Dogmatix! on November 24, 2003, 05:26:51 pm
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I've got you all beat. One ship that has struck fear into every sailor. The Flying Dutchman!
Isn't that the Mary Celeste?
Post by: Uss_Defiant on November 24, 2003, 06:26:02 pm
Tirpitz
Schornst (spelling error i'm sure...)
Post by: JMM on November 24, 2003, 06:32:52 pm
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-fornv/germany/gersh-s/scharn2.htm
Post by: Uss_Defiant on November 24, 2003, 07:43:27 pm
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 24, 2003, 08:03:15 pm
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 24, 2003, 08:10:21 pm
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USS Niagara. Ok now, how many of you out there know what the significance of this ship is?
The actual battle took place off of Put-in-Bay (a small island) in the western part of Lake Erie. And yes, it was a pivotal battle in the War of 1812. How do I know? Easy, I lived in Perrysburg, Ohio (named after, you got it, Perry himself).
If you go to Put-in-Bay there is a tower you can go up in and a little history on the battle there as well. You can also rent a bike and ride around the island. You have to take a ferry out ot the island (I believe it runs from Port Clinton, Ohio), and I believe there was a small airstrip.
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 24, 2003, 08:12:25 pm
Lots of good canfdidates.
Post by: Strafer on November 24, 2003, 09:31:59 pm
Dime if it's gonna be me tho...
Post by: La'ra on November 24, 2003, 10:27:57 pm
USS Enterprise.
Andrea Doria.
Titanic.
Queen Anne's Revenge. Arrrr!
Post by: BortaS on November 25, 2003, 12:21:09 am
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USS Niagara. Ok now, how many of you out there know what the significance of this ship is?
The actual battle took place off of Put-in-Bay (a small island) in the western part of Lake Erie. And yes, it was a pivotal battle in the War of 1812. How do I know? Easy, I lived in Perrysburg, Ohio (named after, you got it, Perry himself).
If you go to Put-in-Bay there is a tower you can go up in and a little history on the battle there as well. You can also rent a bike and ride around the island. You have to take a ferry out ot the island (I believe it runs from Port Clinton, Ohio), and I believe there was a small airstrip.
There is a ferry from Catabawa as well. It was the first and only time a British fleet was captured. Commodore Perry had a distinquished career. He opened up Japan.
Put-in-Bay is a great party island. The world's longest bar is there. Also America's oldest continuiously run bar is there. My family is from another island next to it called Kelley's Island. My grandmother was a Kelley. And as she often reminded me, it's English, not Irish! That is what the "ey" was for. LOL That generation hated the Irish! And she let me know it.
Post by: TB613 on November 25, 2003, 06:08:27 am
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 25, 2003, 06:57:12 am
Post by: BortaS on November 25, 2003, 08:24:54 am
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BortaS, The British fleet at the Battle of Plattsburgh September 11, 1814 on Lake Champlain had its four "large" ships and some of its gunboats captured by the American fleet. So while the capture of the British fleet by Perry was the first for the British it also unfortunately for the British was not the last.
Actually what I ment to say was it was the only time a British fleet surrended. You are correct that the a British fleet was captured at Champlain, but the fleet did not surrender. Then again, some would argue that the use of the words fleet actions to describe those battles might be a little generous.
Post by: Tremok on November 25, 2003, 09:32:54 am
Enterprise or Noah's Ark.
Post by: NJAntman on November 25, 2003, 09:42:16 am
Quote:Quote:
Have NONE of you ever heard of the....
{drum roll please....}
New....
Joy....
...Zee?
Most decorated battleship in United States Navy history?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
"Firepower for Freedom"
I have some pictures of the exterior and interior of the ship, including a 16" turret. I will try to scan them soon and post them.
BTW the "Big J" is the longest of the Iowa-class ships, by about 6". This is because the Philadelphia Naval Yard workers, many who were from NJ, left a piece steel in the bow that was normally cut off. They wanted the New Jersey to stand out from her sisters.
A classic case of size does matter : 6" Bow envy.
Post by: IndyShark on November 25, 2003, 09:52:06 am
The USS Enterprise
HMS Hood
Here's a naval history quiz, why will there always be a USS England in the US Navy?
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 25, 2003, 09:55:47 am
Post by: BortaS on November 25, 2003, 10:29:27 am
Quote:Quote:
Have NONE of you ever heard of the....
{drum roll please....}
New....
Joy....
...Zee?
Most decorated battleship in United States Navy history?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
"Firepower for Freedom"
I have some pictures of the exterior and interior of the ship, including a 16" turret. I will try to scan them soon and post them.
BTW the "Big J" is the longest of the Iowa-class ships, by about 6". This is because the Philadelphia Naval Yard workers, many who were from NJ, left a piece steel in the bow that was normally cut off. They wanted the New Jersey to stand out from her sisters.
That was true until the Wisconsin had it's accident and they welded the bow of the unfinished Kentucky on her, making her the longest. This was in 1956 when she ramed the destroyer Eaton.
Post by: BortaS on November 25, 2003, 10:33:08 am
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Have NONE of you ever heard of the....
{drum roll please....}
New....
Joy....
...Zee?
Most decorated battleship in United States Navy history?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
I was sad to hear why she did not make the researve fleet. I would like to find the idiot who authorized the welding of the turrets and beat the crap out of him. At least she will live on as a museum. A better fate than the torch for sure.
Post by: Dogmatix! on November 25, 2003, 10:34:26 am
Post by: IndyShark on November 25, 2003, 10:48:27 am
OPERATION KING
Our goal is to ask the Navy to make good on Admiral King's promise that there would always be an England in the US Navy. Admiral Henry H. Mauz Jr. USN (ret) has signed on as Advisor on this project the goal of which it to return the England name to the seas. The process for doing so starts with the Secretary of the Navy, Hansford T. Johnson. What they'll notice is a file full of letters showing an interest in USS England and a commitment to support her into the future. It is asked that you write a letter in which you include the history of USS England, your feelings as to why it is important to name a ship England and your commitment to this cause. Send letters to:
The Honorable Hansford T. Johnson
Acting Secretary of the Navy
1000 Navy Pentagon
Washington, D.C. 20350-1000
England History in Brief
On December 7, 1941 the battleship USS Oklahoma was tied outboard of USS Maryland at the Fox 5 mooring quay, Pearl Harbor. It was a beautiful sunny morning and the harbor was just coming to life. Ens. John C. England was on duty on USS Oklahoma that morning. He was trading duty with others so that when his wife and new born daughter whom he'd never seen arrived from the mainland, he would have more time with them. During morning colors Japanese Imperial Navy aircraft descended upon Oahu attacking military installations on the island including Pearl Harbor. The battleships at Pearl Harbor were the main targets and all of them suffered damage.
USS Oklahoma was bombed and torpedoed. Within minutes she was rolling over, trapping hundreds in her hull. Men struggled to escape and assist shipmates. One of these was Ens. John Charles England who died while assisting others. His body along with hundreds of others from USS Oklahoma lies in the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific (Punch Bowl).
John England's name can be found in the Courts of the Missing at the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific.
On September 26, 1943 USS England DE-635 was launched. John England's mother swung the bottle of champagne across her bow as she left the ways. USS England was commissioned on December 10, 1943 and by February of 1944 was off to war.
On May 18, 1944 the USS England DE-635 received orders from Admiral Halsey to pursue a Japanese submarine believed to be enroute to Buin, on the southeast tip of Bougainville. The following day in company with destroyer escorts USS GEORGE and USS RABY the USS England sank her first submarine. She would sink five more, part of a Japanese scouting line, before the end of the month. These six submarines in twelve days set a record that has never been equaled. On May 29, 1944 Admiral Halsey sent a message in which he described the feat as "a matter of great pride to the whole South Pacific Team." He continued to say, "May there all ways be an England. Well done and congratulations to all hands." The Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral E. J. King promised "There'll always be an ENGLAND in the United States Navy."
On May 9, 1945 USS England DE-635 was on screening station five miles northwest of Kerama Retto, West of Okinawa. She engaged enemy aircraft. One of these, a Val bomber, dived upon her. She was hit on the starboard side of the superstructure right under the bridge. Twenty-four men and three officers were killed with 10 men missing and twenty-five more wounded. USS England sailed to Philadelphia for conversion to APD but the war ended and she was decommissioned on October 15, 1945 and later scrapped.
15 years later Admiral King's promise was fulfilled in 1960 when the keel of USS England DLG-22 was laid down at Todd Shipyard in San Pedro, California. She went to sea in 1963 and the new USS England served in every major confrontation for the next thirty years. She served in Vietnam and the Gulf War as well as playing a major roll in keeping the Soviet Union in check, preserving American interests and freedom around the world. She served her country while she carried the name of John Charles England and the legacy of DE-635 into the modern age. Each of those who served on her were a part of this and they carry on the tradition of England in their hearts today. All of America reaped the benefits of this fine ship's service as well as the service of DE-635 and Ens. John C. England.
Today there is no USS England in the United States Navy! CG-22 was decommissioned in 1994. Many have asked for a new USS England but so far this has not occurred. Of course that was before the officers and crew of the mighty USS England reunited! With the combined officers and crew from DE-635 and DLG/CG-22 we now have many voices and countless more supporters in families and friends around the globe! This will be hard not to notice!
Learn More About England To Use In Your Letter
Visit the USS England DE-635 web site at http://ussengland.net/DE635/ where you'll find her history, news stories and more.
Read up on Ens. John Charles England at http://ussengland.net/DE635/JCEngland.htm and learn about USS Oklahoma and more.
Use this web site and help it grow. They will be looking at it as thousands of letters arrive!
SEND YOUR LETTER TODAY!
Post by: Mog on November 25, 2003, 11:25:21 am
Post by: Fahrenheit on November 25, 2003, 01:45:18 pm
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Monitor and Virginia?
Add the Merrimack.
And the Lusitania.
Oh, and the Argo.
F°
"The greatest minds are capable of the greatest vices as well as of the greatest virtues." -- Rene Descartes
Post by: KATChuutRitt on November 25, 2003, 01:56:56 pm
Queen Anne's Revenge
Exxon Valdez
Kon-Tiki
Golden Hind
Pequad
Argo
Post by: Tus on November 25, 2003, 02:05:09 pm
Post by: KATChuutRitt on November 25, 2003, 02:14:18 pm
Potemkin
Calypso
Rainbow Warrior
Kursk
Hunley
Post by: Sethan on November 25, 2003, 02:30:18 pm
Without looking it up, which of the ships mentioned in this thread has also been called the "Blarney Cock"?
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 25, 2003, 03:16:32 pm
Post by: GE-Raven on November 25, 2003, 04:01:48 pm
The Minnow!
GE-Raven
Post by: BortaS on November 25, 2003, 04:29:30 pm
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Trivia question:
Without looking it up, which of the ships mentioned in this thread has also been called the "Blarney Cock"?
I don't think anyone would get a good result putting Blarney Cock in a search engine!
Post by: Dogmatix! on November 25, 2003, 04:31:39 pm
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I can't believe everyone has forgotten...
The Minnow!
GE-Raven
i'm certain that boat was mentioned earlier in this thread.
So...REPOST!
If I were at hope, I'd link in a one of my cool "repost" piccys...
Post by: SL-Punisher on November 25, 2003, 05:32:58 pm
Post by: IKV Nemesis D7L on November 25, 2003, 05:56:21 pm
Holland 1
Beagle
Post by: KATChuutRitt on November 25, 2003, 11:00:07 pm
Quote:
Trivia question:
Without looking it up, which of the ships mentioned in this thread has also been called the "Blarney Cock"?
I know that one Sethan, but wont give it away since I origionally posted that ship. Hint Hint to the rest of you....
Post by: Lurker on November 26, 2003, 01:31:25 pm
I've been lucky enough to go on both the Victory and the Warrior as they are moored close to where I live. I think the Victory is still a commisioned ship which I guess would make it the oldest commisioned ship in the world. And let's not forget...
The Mary Rose
The Vasa
The HMS Great Britain.
Post by: Strafer on November 26, 2003, 02:02:08 pm
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Blue Nose
See?
I knew someone would mention it...
Post by: TB613 on November 26, 2003, 03:18:14 pm
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I would say Titanic is the most famous ship of all time.
I've been lucky enough to go on both the Victory and the Warrior as they are moored close to where I live. I think the Victory is still a commisioned ship which I guess would make it the oldest commisioned ship in the world. And let's not forget...
The Mary Rose
The Vasa
The HMS Great Britain.
The Victory may be the oldest commissioned warship however, the USS Constitution is the oldest commissioned warship that is afloat.
Post by: Lurker on November 27, 2003, 01:18:46 pm
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on November 27, 2003, 02:13:36 pm
Post by: BortaS on November 27, 2003, 08:16:01 pm
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Really? I thought the Victory was afloat?
The Victory has been in a dry dock since the 1920's.
Post by: BortaS on November 27, 2003, 08:21:05 pm
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The Iowa Class Battleships... Just love them. Sad to see them taken out of service, but I believe that two of them are still on the reserve list, although I'm not certain of that anymore. Too many politics! They could still be useful today.
The Iowa and the Wisconsin are on 90 day reserve. It was suposed to be the New Jersey and the Wisconsin, but the turrets on the New Jersey were welded in place when it was demilitarized. This was a bit of politics for sure, as the Iowa never had it's turret fixed from the explosion. Short of WW3 I doubt we will ever seem them sail again.
Post by: NJAntman on November 27, 2003, 09:07:53 pm
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The Iowa Class Battleships... Just love them. Sad to see them taken out of service, but I believe that two of them are still on the reserve list, although I'm not certain of that anymore. Too many politics! They could still be useful today.
The Iowa and the Wisconsin are on 90 day reserve. It was suposed to be the New Jersey and the Wisconsin, but the turrets on the New Jersey were welded in place when it was demilitarized. This was a bit of politics for sure, as the Iowa never had it's turret fixed from the explosion. Short of WW3 I doubt we will ever seem them sail again.
May not need to sail to still be useful. I hear tell rumor that when South Jersey succedes from the oppresive regime of New Jersey, us rebels, I mean South Jerseyites, are gonna tow the Big J up the Delaware to capture the enemy capitol at Trenton. Maybe even annex a few choice portions of Pennsylvania along the way. Down with the urban tyrants of New Jersey!!
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on November 27, 2003, 09:34:14 pm
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The Iowa Class Battleships... Just love them. Sad to see them taken out of service, but I believe that two of them are still on the reserve list, although I'm not certain of that anymore. Too many politics! They could still be useful today.
The Iowa and the Wisconsin are on 90 day reserve. It was suposed to be the New Jersey and the Wisconsin, but the turrets on the New Jersey were welded in place when it was demilitarized. This was a bit of politics for sure, as the Iowa never had it's turret fixed from the explosion. Short of WW3 I doubt we will ever seem them sail again.
I've tried to keep up with the Iowas... Seems as if there are groups within the military that still wish for them to be active service. However, there are those pushing for them to be turned into memorials and such as well.
A site I've used to keep up with their status...
Iowa Class BBs
There is also another organization out there, the United States Naval Fire Support Association. I believe they were working on fighting congress from giving the Iowas the axe... I can't seem to find their website anymore.
A side note, the Iowa actually did have most of the turret repaired after the explosion. The remaining spare parts to finish repairs are still inside the turret itself.
Talk about the power to intimidate... Reagan, upon the upgrading of the Iowas...
Post by: TheJudge on November 27, 2003, 11:47:50 pm
In the early 1990's the parts for the 5"38 gun mounts (my ship had same type as the Iowa BB secondary mounts) were almost non-existent. We had scrounged parts from nearly every ship in the mothball fleet to keep ours active and even that was not really possible to do anymore. The 16" mounts were even in worse shape. Those ships are, for all real purposes, history.
The Marines have to hope they never really need NGFS from now on....
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on November 28, 2003, 12:04:49 am
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Actually, the turret was damaged beyond repair...unless a factory figured out how to make the spare parts (the designs were lost and they would have to be reverse engineered. Then the factory line would have to be reassembled at great cost.).
In the early 1990's the parts for the 5"38 gun mounts (my ship had same type as the Iowa BB secondary mounts) were almost non-existent. We had scrounged parts from nearly every ship in the mothball fleet to keep ours active and even that was not really possible to do anymore. The 16" mounts were even in worse shape. Those ships are, for all real purposes, history.
The Marines have to hope they never really need NGFS from now on....
Hmm... I'm pretty sure I read that it was nearly repaired. Have to dig for some information on that one.
And as to the Marines... Their commanders in particular were the ones pushing for the Iowas active service (Fire Support Capabilites Needed) from what I observed in a few articles.
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 28, 2003, 08:39:49 am
Post by: Lurker on November 28, 2003, 06:36:47 pm
Maybe I was thinking of the Warrior...
...which is a most excellent ship too. Lol and to think, I live about 10 miles away from them and you guys were right
Post by: Blyre on November 30, 2003, 10:15:46 am
Wallace
Post by: TheBigCheese on November 30, 2003, 10:44:04 am
Seydlitz
Cutty Sark
Post by: TheJudge on November 30, 2003, 06:59:36 pm
U.S.S. Long Beach (CGN-9). The world's first Nuclear-powered surface vessel. She also featured the first phased-array radar and the most impressive arsenal of her time. During Vietnam, she was the first warship to shoot down an aircraft with a Surface-to-Air missile in combat. Decommisioned in 1994, she was the first, and arguably the greatest of all American nuclear-powered cruisers. At the time of her commissioning she was armed as follows:
2 - Mk 10 Terrier Surface to Air missile launchers (Mod 0 and Mod 1 - Mod 0 held 40 missiles while Mod 1 held 80).
1 - Talos Surface to Air missile system (it was this system that shot down a North Vietmanese Mig)
1 - Asroc anti-submarine rocket launcher
2 - 354 mm anti-submarine torpedo tubes
Shortly after commissioning, 2 Mk. 30 5"38 caliber gun mounts were added midships.
In 1980 she underwent refueling and NTU upgrade. Her final armaments were:
2 - Mk 10 SM2-ER SAM systems. 120 round magazine. Each missile capable of ranges up to 125 miles. Could handle up to 16 missiles in the air at any time.
2 - 5"38 caliber dual-purpose gun mounts
1 - Asroc anti-sub rocket launcher
2 - 354 mm anti-submarine torpedo tubes
8 - Harpoon anti-ship missiles
2 - Tomahawk Armored box launchers (capable of holding up to 8 Tomahawk cruise missiles)
2 - Phalanx point defense systems.
She also featured flag facilities that rivaled any onboard a carrier as well as electronic warfare detection and intercept capabilities far beyond most cruisers. For sheer amount of weaponry, only the Aegis cruisers could challenge her and she repeatedly outperformed them in every operations exercise that she participated.
Only part of that was thanks the to the excellent crew...
Post by: Kmelew on November 30, 2003, 07:43:15 pm
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I'll throw in my old ship into this argument:
U.S.S. Long Beach (CGN-9). The world's first Nuclear-powered surface vessel. She also featured the first phased-array radar and the most impressive arsenal of her time. During Vietnam, she was the first warship to shoot down an aircraft with a Surface-to-Air missile in combat. Decommisioned in 1994, she was the first, and arguably the greatest of all American nuclear-powered cruisers. At the time of her commissioning she was armed as follows:
2 - Mk 10 Terrier Surface to Air missile launchers (Mod 0 and Mod 1 - Mod 0 held 40 missiles while Mod 1 held 80).
1 - Talos Surface to Air missile system (it was this system that shot down a North Vietmanese Mig)
1 - Asroc anti-submarine rocket launcher
2 - 354 mm anti-submarine torpedo tubes
Shortly after commissioning, 2 Mk. 30 5"38 caliber gun mounts were added midships.
In 1980 she underwent refueling and NTU upgrade. Her final armaments were:
2 - Mk 10 SM2-ER SAM systems. 120 round magazine. Each missile capable of ranges up to 125 miles. Could handle up to 16 missiles in the air at any time.
2 - 5"38 caliber dual-purpose gun mounts
1 - Asroc anti-sub rocket launcher
2 - 354 mm anti-submarine torpedo tubes
8 - Harpoon anti-ship missiles
2 - Tomahawk Armored box launchers (capable of holding up to 8 Tomahawk cruise missiles)
2 - Phalanx point defense systems.
She also featured flag facilities that rivaled any onboard a carrier as well as electronic warfare detection and intercept capabilities far beyond most cruisers. For sheer amount of weaponry, only the Aegis cruisers could challenge her and she repeatedly outperformed them in every operations exercise that she participated.
Only part of that was thanks the to the excellent crew...
Wasn't the Long Beach the only other warship to have the same radar system as the USS Enterprise (CVN-65)? I remember reading that somewhere. Looking a photographs of her early career, the Long Beach's bridge superstructure looks very similar to the Enterprise's original island.
Post by: TheJudge on November 30, 2003, 09:34:43 pm
I'll link to them later, but yeah, the Long Beach originally had the same phased array radar the Enterprise did. That's why she had a big box superstructure. They removed it later and installed a standard SPS-48/SPS-49 system later.
The original 1980 conversion was to place Aegis on the superstructure and install the Mk 41 VLS systems. However this was nixed by Congress for budget considerations. Too bad, they could have placed three 61 cell Mk 41 launchers in the forward area. That would have made her more powerful than any of the Tico class cruisers.
Post by: FatherTed on November 30, 2003, 10:17:13 pm
Post by: 762 on December 01, 2003, 09:06:49 am
Didn't she displace like 18,000 tons or something like that? Definitely a big ass cruiser.
Post by: Verroc on November 24, 2003, 11:58:47 am
with some pal's bout what is the most famous ship in history. I know what a dumb thing to argue about! Anyway what do you all recon..Came down to
Titanic
Victory
Cutty Sark
Bismarck
I would prob say titanic, but bismarck is my fav
Post by: Sethan on November 24, 2003, 12:22:45 pm
[Edit: Though if you're going to mention Bismarck, there is always the HMS Hood]
"...and when the fight was over, the mighty Hood went down."
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 24, 2003, 12:46:53 pm
Iowa
Hunley
Lusitania
Monitor & Merrimack (CSS Virginia)
Constitution (Old Ironsides)
Post by: Matsukasi on November 24, 2003, 12:50:42 pm
< bows >
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 24, 2003, 01:05:02 pm
Post by: JMM on November 24, 2003, 01:20:44 pm
Post by: Toasty0 on November 24, 2003, 01:25:03 pm
oh well,
The Niņa, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria
Mayflower
The Endevor and Resolution (Captain Cook ya all)
Exodus (oy! If you have to ask...)
The Minow (hehehe, Skipper!)
Post by: Matsukasi on November 24, 2003, 01:29:40 pm
Post by: JMM on November 24, 2003, 01:33:23 pm
Post by: Taldren_Erin on November 24, 2003, 01:43:41 pm
Post by: Sethan on November 24, 2003, 01:45:31 pm
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Titanic was even released in Iraq! I
OT, but talk about not having a common frame of reference:
Film about privileged upper class people drowning / freezing to death in frigid waters after their ship hits an iceberg...
...shown in a desert country where most people are poor, the only ice they see is man-made, and the primary concern is finding ways to stay out of the heat.
Post by: BortaS on November 24, 2003, 01:49:24 pm
Post by: Uss_Defiant on November 24, 2003, 02:00:43 pm
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The HMS Victory.
Aye.. along with that 4 decker Spanish ship that fought in Trafalgar...anyone remember her name?
Post by: Kmelew on November 24, 2003, 02:03:06 pm
Not only was she the first all big gun battleship, but she was the first large warship to use steam turbines. She also was the only battleship to sick an enemy vessel during wartime by ramming (rammed a U-boat during WWI, the only enemy she ever sank).
USS Olympia, Dewey's flagship at the Battle of Manila Bay. Currently a museum ship in Philadelphia, its the oldest steel warship still afloat.
USS Fulton II--World's first steam warship
La Gloire--First Ironclad
HMS Warrior--First British iroclad, response to La Gloire
Great Eastern--Built in the late 1850's (?), capable of carrying nearly 5000 passengers. Failure as a passenger ship, but successful as a cable layer. Was the largest ship in the world for nearly 30 years.
CSS Hunley--Confederate submersible. First submarine to sink an enemy vessel in combat.
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 24, 2003, 02:07:30 pm
Post by: 762 on November 24, 2003, 02:10:42 pm
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The HMS Victory.
Aye.. along with that 4 decker Spanish ship that fought in Trafalgar...anyone remember her name?
Santisima Trinidad.
My vote however goes to the USS Enterprise, who participated in almost every major engagement in WWII, and sank at least 2 Japanese carriers.
Post by: Dallas on November 24, 2003, 02:22:00 pm
Starblazers baybeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Postman on November 24, 2003, 02:25:39 pm
USS Arizona and/or the Lusitania
Post by: Hilton on November 24, 2003, 02:52:47 pm
Post by: TB613 on November 24, 2003, 02:55:59 pm
Ok now, how many of you out there know what the significance of this ship is?
Post by: 762 on November 24, 2003, 03:05:42 pm
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USS Niagara.
Gonna take a stab here...
Was that Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry's flagship in the Battle of Lake Champlain?
Post by: TB613 on November 24, 2003, 03:34:38 pm
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USS Niagara.
Gonna take a stab here...
Was that Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry's flagship in the Battle of Lake Champlain?
Ding, ding, we have a winner. While they were having an arms race worthy of the early twentieth century battleship race on Lake Ontario building bigger and bigger ships including laying down a 130(!) gunner. Perry and his British conterpart Robert Heriot Barclay came to grips and fought one of the most strategically important naval actions of the War of 1812. Actually the Niagara was Perry's second flagship during the battle. He transfered his flag from the Lawrence when she was too shot up to continue the fight.
Post by: Barabbas on November 24, 2003, 04:02:53 pm
{drum roll please....}
New....
Joy....
...Zee?
Most decorated battleship in United States Navy history?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
Post by: Kmelew on November 24, 2003, 04:16:06 pm
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Have NONE of you ever heard of the....
{drum roll please....}
New....
Joy....
...Zee?
Most decorated battleship in United States Navy history?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
"Firepower for Freedom"
I have some pictures of the exterior and interior of the ship, including a 16" turret. I will try to scan them soon and post them.
BTW the "Big J" is the longest of the Iowa-class ships, by about 6". This is because the Philadelphia Naval Yard workers, many who were from NJ, left a piece steel in the bow that was normally cut off. They wanted the New Jersey to stand out from her sisters.
Post by: GE-Raven on November 24, 2003, 04:30:39 pm
Edmund Fitzgerald?
GE-Raven
Post by: Taldren_Erin on November 24, 2003, 04:38:47 pm
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I've got you all beat. One ship that has struck fear into every sailor. The Flying Dutchman!
=)
Post by: Dogmatix! on November 24, 2003, 05:26:51 pm
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I've got you all beat. One ship that has struck fear into every sailor. The Flying Dutchman!
Isn't that the Mary Celeste?
Post by: Uss_Defiant on November 24, 2003, 06:26:02 pm
Tirpitz
Schornst (spelling error i'm sure...)
Post by: JMM on November 24, 2003, 06:32:52 pm
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-fornv/germany/gersh-s/scharn2.htm
Post by: Uss_Defiant on November 24, 2003, 07:43:27 pm
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 24, 2003, 08:03:15 pm
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 24, 2003, 08:10:21 pm
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USS Niagara. Ok now, how many of you out there know what the significance of this ship is?
The actual battle took place off of Put-in-Bay (a small island) in the western part of Lake Erie. And yes, it was a pivotal battle in the War of 1812. How do I know? Easy, I lived in Perrysburg, Ohio (named after, you got it, Perry himself).
If you go to Put-in-Bay there is a tower you can go up in and a little history on the battle there as well. You can also rent a bike and ride around the island. You have to take a ferry out ot the island (I believe it runs from Port Clinton, Ohio), and I believe there was a small airstrip.
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 24, 2003, 08:12:25 pm
Lots of good canfdidates.
Post by: Strafer on November 24, 2003, 09:31:59 pm
Dime if it's gonna be me tho...
Post by: La'ra on November 24, 2003, 10:27:57 pm
USS Enterprise.
Andrea Doria.
Titanic.
Queen Anne's Revenge. Arrrr!
Post by: BortaS on November 25, 2003, 12:21:09 am
Quote:
Quote:
USS Niagara. Ok now, how many of you out there know what the significance of this ship is?
The actual battle took place off of Put-in-Bay (a small island) in the western part of Lake Erie. And yes, it was a pivotal battle in the War of 1812. How do I know? Easy, I lived in Perrysburg, Ohio (named after, you got it, Perry himself).
If you go to Put-in-Bay there is a tower you can go up in and a little history on the battle there as well. You can also rent a bike and ride around the island. You have to take a ferry out ot the island (I believe it runs from Port Clinton, Ohio), and I believe there was a small airstrip.
There is a ferry from Catabawa as well. It was the first and only time a British fleet was captured. Commodore Perry had a distinquished career. He opened up Japan.
Put-in-Bay is a great party island. The world's longest bar is there. Also America's oldest continuiously run bar is there. My family is from another island next to it called Kelley's Island. My grandmother was a Kelley. And as she often reminded me, it's English, not Irish! That is what the "ey" was for. LOL That generation hated the Irish! And she let me know it.
Post by: TB613 on November 25, 2003, 06:08:27 am
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 25, 2003, 06:57:12 am
Post by: BortaS on November 25, 2003, 08:24:54 am
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BortaS, The British fleet at the Battle of Plattsburgh September 11, 1814 on Lake Champlain had its four "large" ships and some of its gunboats captured by the American fleet. So while the capture of the British fleet by Perry was the first for the British it also unfortunately for the British was not the last.
Actually what I ment to say was it was the only time a British fleet surrended. You are correct that the a British fleet was captured at Champlain, but the fleet did not surrender. Then again, some would argue that the use of the words fleet actions to describe those battles might be a little generous.
Post by: Tremok on November 25, 2003, 09:32:54 am
Enterprise or Noah's Ark.
Post by: NJAntman on November 25, 2003, 09:42:16 am
Quote:Quote:
Have NONE of you ever heard of the....
{drum roll please....}
New....
Joy....
...Zee?
Most decorated battleship in United States Navy history?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
"Firepower for Freedom"
I have some pictures of the exterior and interior of the ship, including a 16" turret. I will try to scan them soon and post them.
BTW the "Big J" is the longest of the Iowa-class ships, by about 6". This is because the Philadelphia Naval Yard workers, many who were from NJ, left a piece steel in the bow that was normally cut off. They wanted the New Jersey to stand out from her sisters.
A classic case of size does matter : 6" Bow envy.
Post by: IndyShark on November 25, 2003, 09:52:06 am
The USS Enterprise
HMS Hood
Here's a naval history quiz, why will there always be a USS England in the US Navy?
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 25, 2003, 09:55:47 am
Post by: BortaS on November 25, 2003, 10:29:27 am
Quote:Quote:
Have NONE of you ever heard of the....
{drum roll please....}
New....
Joy....
...Zee?
Most decorated battleship in United States Navy history?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
"Firepower for Freedom"
I have some pictures of the exterior and interior of the ship, including a 16" turret. I will try to scan them soon and post them.
BTW the "Big J" is the longest of the Iowa-class ships, by about 6". This is because the Philadelphia Naval Yard workers, many who were from NJ, left a piece steel in the bow that was normally cut off. They wanted the New Jersey to stand out from her sisters.
That was true until the Wisconsin had it's accident and they welded the bow of the unfinished Kentucky on her, making her the longest. This was in 1956 when she ramed the destroyer Eaton.
Post by: BortaS on November 25, 2003, 10:33:08 am
Quote:
Have NONE of you ever heard of the....
{drum roll please....}
New....
Joy....
...Zee?
Most decorated battleship in United States Navy history?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
I was sad to hear why she did not make the researve fleet. I would like to find the idiot who authorized the welding of the turrets and beat the crap out of him. At least she will live on as a museum. A better fate than the torch for sure.
Post by: Dogmatix! on November 25, 2003, 10:34:26 am
Post by: IndyShark on November 25, 2003, 10:48:27 am
OPERATION KING
Our goal is to ask the Navy to make good on Admiral King's promise that there would always be an England in the US Navy. Admiral Henry H. Mauz Jr. USN (ret) has signed on as Advisor on this project the goal of which it to return the England name to the seas. The process for doing so starts with the Secretary of the Navy, Hansford T. Johnson. What they'll notice is a file full of letters showing an interest in USS England and a commitment to support her into the future. It is asked that you write a letter in which you include the history of USS England, your feelings as to why it is important to name a ship England and your commitment to this cause. Send letters to:
The Honorable Hansford T. Johnson
Acting Secretary of the Navy
1000 Navy Pentagon
Washington, D.C. 20350-1000
England History in Brief
On December 7, 1941 the battleship USS Oklahoma was tied outboard of USS Maryland at the Fox 5 mooring quay, Pearl Harbor. It was a beautiful sunny morning and the harbor was just coming to life. Ens. John C. England was on duty on USS Oklahoma that morning. He was trading duty with others so that when his wife and new born daughter whom he'd never seen arrived from the mainland, he would have more time with them. During morning colors Japanese Imperial Navy aircraft descended upon Oahu attacking military installations on the island including Pearl Harbor. The battleships at Pearl Harbor were the main targets and all of them suffered damage.
USS Oklahoma was bombed and torpedoed. Within minutes she was rolling over, trapping hundreds in her hull. Men struggled to escape and assist shipmates. One of these was Ens. John Charles England who died while assisting others. His body along with hundreds of others from USS Oklahoma lies in the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific (Punch Bowl).
John England's name can be found in the Courts of the Missing at the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific.
On September 26, 1943 USS England DE-635 was launched. John England's mother swung the bottle of champagne across her bow as she left the ways. USS England was commissioned on December 10, 1943 and by February of 1944 was off to war.
On May 18, 1944 the USS England DE-635 received orders from Admiral Halsey to pursue a Japanese submarine believed to be enroute to Buin, on the southeast tip of Bougainville. The following day in company with destroyer escorts USS GEORGE and USS RABY the USS England sank her first submarine. She would sink five more, part of a Japanese scouting line, before the end of the month. These six submarines in twelve days set a record that has never been equaled. On May 29, 1944 Admiral Halsey sent a message in which he described the feat as "a matter of great pride to the whole South Pacific Team." He continued to say, "May there all ways be an England. Well done and congratulations to all hands." The Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral E. J. King promised "There'll always be an ENGLAND in the United States Navy."
On May 9, 1945 USS England DE-635 was on screening station five miles northwest of Kerama Retto, West of Okinawa. She engaged enemy aircraft. One of these, a Val bomber, dived upon her. She was hit on the starboard side of the superstructure right under the bridge. Twenty-four men and three officers were killed with 10 men missing and twenty-five more wounded. USS England sailed to Philadelphia for conversion to APD but the war ended and she was decommissioned on October 15, 1945 and later scrapped.
15 years later Admiral King's promise was fulfilled in 1960 when the keel of USS England DLG-22 was laid down at Todd Shipyard in San Pedro, California. She went to sea in 1963 and the new USS England served in every major confrontation for the next thirty years. She served in Vietnam and the Gulf War as well as playing a major roll in keeping the Soviet Union in check, preserving American interests and freedom around the world. She served her country while she carried the name of John Charles England and the legacy of DE-635 into the modern age. Each of those who served on her were a part of this and they carry on the tradition of England in their hearts today. All of America reaped the benefits of this fine ship's service as well as the service of DE-635 and Ens. John C. England.
Today there is no USS England in the United States Navy! CG-22 was decommissioned in 1994. Many have asked for a new USS England but so far this has not occurred. Of course that was before the officers and crew of the mighty USS England reunited! With the combined officers and crew from DE-635 and DLG/CG-22 we now have many voices and countless more supporters in families and friends around the globe! This will be hard not to notice!
Learn More About England To Use In Your Letter
Visit the USS England DE-635 web site at http://ussengland.net/DE635/ where you'll find her history, news stories and more.
Read up on Ens. John Charles England at http://ussengland.net/DE635/JCEngland.htm and learn about USS Oklahoma and more.
Use this web site and help it grow. They will be looking at it as thousands of letters arrive!
SEND YOUR LETTER TODAY!
Post by: Mog on November 25, 2003, 11:25:21 am
Post by: Fahrenheit on November 25, 2003, 01:45:18 pm
Quote:
Monitor and Virginia?
Add the Merrimack.
And the Lusitania.
Oh, and the Argo.
F°
"The greatest minds are capable of the greatest vices as well as of the greatest virtues." -- Rene Descartes
Post by: KATChuutRitt on November 25, 2003, 01:56:56 pm
Queen Anne's Revenge
Exxon Valdez
Kon-Tiki
Golden Hind
Pequad
Argo
Post by: Tus on November 25, 2003, 02:05:09 pm
Post by: KATChuutRitt on November 25, 2003, 02:14:18 pm
Potemkin
Calypso
Rainbow Warrior
Kursk
Hunley
Post by: Sethan on November 25, 2003, 02:30:18 pm
Without looking it up, which of the ships mentioned in this thread has also been called the "Blarney Cock"?
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 25, 2003, 03:16:32 pm
Post by: GE-Raven on November 25, 2003, 04:01:48 pm
The Minnow!
GE-Raven
Post by: BortaS on November 25, 2003, 04:29:30 pm
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Trivia question:
Without looking it up, which of the ships mentioned in this thread has also been called the "Blarney Cock"?
I don't think anyone would get a good result putting Blarney Cock in a search engine!
Post by: Dogmatix! on November 25, 2003, 04:31:39 pm
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I can't believe everyone has forgotten...
The Minnow!
GE-Raven
i'm certain that boat was mentioned earlier in this thread.
So...REPOST!
If I were at hope, I'd link in a one of my cool "repost" piccys...
Post by: SL-Punisher on November 25, 2003, 05:32:58 pm
Post by: IKV Nemesis D7L on November 25, 2003, 05:56:21 pm
Holland 1
Beagle
Post by: KATChuutRitt on November 25, 2003, 11:00:07 pm
Quote:
Trivia question:
Without looking it up, which of the ships mentioned in this thread has also been called the "Blarney Cock"?
I know that one Sethan, but wont give it away since I origionally posted that ship. Hint Hint to the rest of you....
Post by: Lurker on November 26, 2003, 01:31:25 pm
I've been lucky enough to go on both the Victory and the Warrior as they are moored close to where I live. I think the Victory is still a commisioned ship which I guess would make it the oldest commisioned ship in the world. And let's not forget...
The Mary Rose
The Vasa
The HMS Great Britain.
Post by: Strafer on November 26, 2003, 02:02:08 pm
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Blue Nose
See?
I knew someone would mention it...
Post by: TB613 on November 26, 2003, 03:18:14 pm
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I would say Titanic is the most famous ship of all time.
I've been lucky enough to go on both the Victory and the Warrior as they are moored close to where I live. I think the Victory is still a commisioned ship which I guess would make it the oldest commisioned ship in the world. And let's not forget...
The Mary Rose
The Vasa
The HMS Great Britain.
The Victory may be the oldest commissioned warship however, the USS Constitution is the oldest commissioned warship that is afloat.
Post by: Lurker on November 27, 2003, 01:18:46 pm
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on November 27, 2003, 02:13:36 pm
Post by: BortaS on November 27, 2003, 08:16:01 pm
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Really? I thought the Victory was afloat?
The Victory has been in a dry dock since the 1920's.
Post by: BortaS on November 27, 2003, 08:21:05 pm
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The Iowa Class Battleships... Just love them. Sad to see them taken out of service, but I believe that two of them are still on the reserve list, although I'm not certain of that anymore. Too many politics! They could still be useful today.
The Iowa and the Wisconsin are on 90 day reserve. It was suposed to be the New Jersey and the Wisconsin, but the turrets on the New Jersey were welded in place when it was demilitarized. This was a bit of politics for sure, as the Iowa never had it's turret fixed from the explosion. Short of WW3 I doubt we will ever seem them sail again.
Post by: NJAntman on November 27, 2003, 09:07:53 pm
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The Iowa Class Battleships... Just love them. Sad to see them taken out of service, but I believe that two of them are still on the reserve list, although I'm not certain of that anymore. Too many politics! They could still be useful today.
The Iowa and the Wisconsin are on 90 day reserve. It was suposed to be the New Jersey and the Wisconsin, but the turrets on the New Jersey were welded in place when it was demilitarized. This was a bit of politics for sure, as the Iowa never had it's turret fixed from the explosion. Short of WW3 I doubt we will ever seem them sail again.
May not need to sail to still be useful. I hear tell rumor that when South Jersey succedes from the oppresive regime of New Jersey, us rebels, I mean South Jerseyites, are gonna tow the Big J up the Delaware to capture the enemy capitol at Trenton. Maybe even annex a few choice portions of Pennsylvania along the way. Down with the urban tyrants of New Jersey!!
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on November 27, 2003, 09:34:14 pm
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The Iowa Class Battleships... Just love them. Sad to see them taken out of service, but I believe that two of them are still on the reserve list, although I'm not certain of that anymore. Too many politics! They could still be useful today.
The Iowa and the Wisconsin are on 90 day reserve. It was suposed to be the New Jersey and the Wisconsin, but the turrets on the New Jersey were welded in place when it was demilitarized. This was a bit of politics for sure, as the Iowa never had it's turret fixed from the explosion. Short of WW3 I doubt we will ever seem them sail again.
I've tried to keep up with the Iowas... Seems as if there are groups within the military that still wish for them to be active service. However, there are those pushing for them to be turned into memorials and such as well.
A site I've used to keep up with their status...
Iowa Class BBs
There is also another organization out there, the United States Naval Fire Support Association. I believe they were working on fighting congress from giving the Iowas the axe... I can't seem to find their website anymore.
A side note, the Iowa actually did have most of the turret repaired after the explosion. The remaining spare parts to finish repairs are still inside the turret itself.
Talk about the power to intimidate... Reagan, upon the upgrading of the Iowas...
Post by: TheJudge on November 27, 2003, 11:47:50 pm
In the early 1990's the parts for the 5"38 gun mounts (my ship had same type as the Iowa BB secondary mounts) were almost non-existent. We had scrounged parts from nearly every ship in the mothball fleet to keep ours active and even that was not really possible to do anymore. The 16" mounts were even in worse shape. Those ships are, for all real purposes, history.
The Marines have to hope they never really need NGFS from now on....
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on November 28, 2003, 12:04:49 am
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Actually, the turret was damaged beyond repair...unless a factory figured out how to make the spare parts (the designs were lost and they would have to be reverse engineered. Then the factory line would have to be reassembled at great cost.).
In the early 1990's the parts for the 5"38 gun mounts (my ship had same type as the Iowa BB secondary mounts) were almost non-existent. We had scrounged parts from nearly every ship in the mothball fleet to keep ours active and even that was not really possible to do anymore. The 16" mounts were even in worse shape. Those ships are, for all real purposes, history.
The Marines have to hope they never really need NGFS from now on....
Hmm... I'm pretty sure I read that it was nearly repaired. Have to dig for some information on that one.
And as to the Marines... Their commanders in particular were the ones pushing for the Iowas active service (Fire Support Capabilites Needed) from what I observed in a few articles.
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 28, 2003, 08:39:49 am
Post by: Lurker on November 28, 2003, 06:36:47 pm
Maybe I was thinking of the Warrior...
...which is a most excellent ship too. Lol and to think, I live about 10 miles away from them and you guys were right
Post by: Blyre on November 30, 2003, 10:15:46 am
Wallace
Post by: TheBigCheese on November 30, 2003, 10:44:04 am
Seydlitz
Cutty Sark
Post by: TheJudge on November 30, 2003, 06:59:36 pm
U.S.S. Long Beach (CGN-9). The world's first Nuclear-powered surface vessel. She also featured the first phased-array radar and the most impressive arsenal of her time. During Vietnam, she was the first warship to shoot down an aircraft with a Surface-to-Air missile in combat. Decommisioned in 1994, she was the first, and arguably the greatest of all American nuclear-powered cruisers. At the time of her commissioning she was armed as follows:
2 - Mk 10 Terrier Surface to Air missile launchers (Mod 0 and Mod 1 - Mod 0 held 40 missiles while Mod 1 held 80).
1 - Talos Surface to Air missile system (it was this system that shot down a North Vietmanese Mig)
1 - Asroc anti-submarine rocket launcher
2 - 354 mm anti-submarine torpedo tubes
Shortly after commissioning, 2 Mk. 30 5"38 caliber gun mounts were added midships.
In 1980 she underwent refueling and NTU upgrade. Her final armaments were:
2 - Mk 10 SM2-ER SAM systems. 120 round magazine. Each missile capable of ranges up to 125 miles. Could handle up to 16 missiles in the air at any time.
2 - 5"38 caliber dual-purpose gun mounts
1 - Asroc anti-sub rocket launcher
2 - 354 mm anti-submarine torpedo tubes
8 - Harpoon anti-ship missiles
2 - Tomahawk Armored box launchers (capable of holding up to 8 Tomahawk cruise missiles)
2 - Phalanx point defense systems.
She also featured flag facilities that rivaled any onboard a carrier as well as electronic warfare detection and intercept capabilities far beyond most cruisers. For sheer amount of weaponry, only the Aegis cruisers could challenge her and she repeatedly outperformed them in every operations exercise that she participated.
Only part of that was thanks the to the excellent crew...
Post by: Kmelew on November 30, 2003, 07:43:15 pm
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I'll throw in my old ship into this argument:
U.S.S. Long Beach (CGN-9). The world's first Nuclear-powered surface vessel. She also featured the first phased-array radar and the most impressive arsenal of her time. During Vietnam, she was the first warship to shoot down an aircraft with a Surface-to-Air missile in combat. Decommisioned in 1994, she was the first, and arguably the greatest of all American nuclear-powered cruisers. At the time of her commissioning she was armed as follows:
2 - Mk 10 Terrier Surface to Air missile launchers (Mod 0 and Mod 1 - Mod 0 held 40 missiles while Mod 1 held 80).
1 - Talos Surface to Air missile system (it was this system that shot down a North Vietmanese Mig)
1 - Asroc anti-submarine rocket launcher
2 - 354 mm anti-submarine torpedo tubes
Shortly after commissioning, 2 Mk. 30 5"38 caliber gun mounts were added midships.
In 1980 she underwent refueling and NTU upgrade. Her final armaments were:
2 - Mk 10 SM2-ER SAM systems. 120 round magazine. Each missile capable of ranges up to 125 miles. Could handle up to 16 missiles in the air at any time.
2 - 5"38 caliber dual-purpose gun mounts
1 - Asroc anti-sub rocket launcher
2 - 354 mm anti-submarine torpedo tubes
8 - Harpoon anti-ship missiles
2 - Tomahawk Armored box launchers (capable of holding up to 8 Tomahawk cruise missiles)
2 - Phalanx point defense systems.
She also featured flag facilities that rivaled any onboard a carrier as well as electronic warfare detection and intercept capabilities far beyond most cruisers. For sheer amount of weaponry, only the Aegis cruisers could challenge her and she repeatedly outperformed them in every operations exercise that she participated.
Only part of that was thanks the to the excellent crew...
Wasn't the Long Beach the only other warship to have the same radar system as the USS Enterprise (CVN-65)? I remember reading that somewhere. Looking a photographs of her early career, the Long Beach's bridge superstructure looks very similar to the Enterprise's original island.
Post by: TheJudge on November 30, 2003, 09:34:43 pm
I'll link to them later, but yeah, the Long Beach originally had the same phased array radar the Enterprise did. That's why she had a big box superstructure. They removed it later and installed a standard SPS-48/SPS-49 system later.
The original 1980 conversion was to place Aegis on the superstructure and install the Mk 41 VLS systems. However this was nixed by Congress for budget considerations. Too bad, they could have placed three 61 cell Mk 41 launchers in the forward area. That would have made her more powerful than any of the Tico class cruisers.
Post by: FatherTed on November 30, 2003, 10:17:13 pm
Post by: 762 on December 01, 2003, 09:06:49 am
Didn't she displace like 18,000 tons or something like that? Definitely a big ass cruiser.
Post by: Verroc on November 24, 2003, 11:58:47 am
with some pal's bout what is the most famous ship in history. I know what a dumb thing to argue about! Anyway what do you all recon..Came down to
Titanic
Victory
Cutty Sark
Bismarck
I would prob say titanic, but bismarck is my fav
Post by: Sethan on November 24, 2003, 12:22:45 pm
[Edit: Though if you're going to mention Bismarck, there is always the HMS Hood]
"...and when the fight was over, the mighty Hood went down."
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 24, 2003, 12:46:53 pm
Iowa
Hunley
Lusitania
Monitor & Merrimack (CSS Virginia)
Constitution (Old Ironsides)
Post by: Matsukasi on November 24, 2003, 12:50:42 pm
< bows >
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 24, 2003, 01:05:02 pm
Post by: JMM on November 24, 2003, 01:20:44 pm
Post by: Toasty0 on November 24, 2003, 01:25:03 pm
oh well,
The Niņa, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria
Mayflower
The Endevor and Resolution (Captain Cook ya all)
Exodus (oy! If you have to ask...)
The Minow (hehehe, Skipper!)
Post by: Matsukasi on November 24, 2003, 01:29:40 pm
Post by: JMM on November 24, 2003, 01:33:23 pm
Post by: Taldren_Erin on November 24, 2003, 01:43:41 pm
Post by: Sethan on November 24, 2003, 01:45:31 pm
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Titanic was even released in Iraq! I
OT, but talk about not having a common frame of reference:
Film about privileged upper class people drowning / freezing to death in frigid waters after their ship hits an iceberg...
...shown in a desert country where most people are poor, the only ice they see is man-made, and the primary concern is finding ways to stay out of the heat.
Post by: BortaS on November 24, 2003, 01:49:24 pm
Post by: Uss_Defiant on November 24, 2003, 02:00:43 pm
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The HMS Victory.
Aye.. along with that 4 decker Spanish ship that fought in Trafalgar...anyone remember her name?
Post by: Kmelew on November 24, 2003, 02:03:06 pm
Not only was she the first all big gun battleship, but she was the first large warship to use steam turbines. She also was the only battleship to sick an enemy vessel during wartime by ramming (rammed a U-boat during WWI, the only enemy she ever sank).
USS Olympia, Dewey's flagship at the Battle of Manila Bay. Currently a museum ship in Philadelphia, its the oldest steel warship still afloat.
USS Fulton II--World's first steam warship
La Gloire--First Ironclad
HMS Warrior--First British iroclad, response to La Gloire
Great Eastern--Built in the late 1850's (?), capable of carrying nearly 5000 passengers. Failure as a passenger ship, but successful as a cable layer. Was the largest ship in the world for nearly 30 years.
CSS Hunley--Confederate submersible. First submarine to sink an enemy vessel in combat.
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 24, 2003, 02:07:30 pm
Post by: 762 on November 24, 2003, 02:10:42 pm
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The HMS Victory.
Aye.. along with that 4 decker Spanish ship that fought in Trafalgar...anyone remember her name?
Santisima Trinidad.
My vote however goes to the USS Enterprise, who participated in almost every major engagement in WWII, and sank at least 2 Japanese carriers.
Post by: Dallas on November 24, 2003, 02:22:00 pm
Starblazers baybeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: The Postman on November 24, 2003, 02:25:39 pm
USS Arizona and/or the Lusitania
Post by: Hilton on November 24, 2003, 02:52:47 pm
Post by: TB613 on November 24, 2003, 02:55:59 pm
Ok now, how many of you out there know what the significance of this ship is?
Post by: 762 on November 24, 2003, 03:05:42 pm
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USS Niagara.
Gonna take a stab here...
Was that Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry's flagship in the Battle of Lake Champlain?
Post by: TB613 on November 24, 2003, 03:34:38 pm
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USS Niagara.
Gonna take a stab here...
Was that Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry's flagship in the Battle of Lake Champlain?
Ding, ding, we have a winner. While they were having an arms race worthy of the early twentieth century battleship race on Lake Ontario building bigger and bigger ships including laying down a 130(!) gunner. Perry and his British conterpart Robert Heriot Barclay came to grips and fought one of the most strategically important naval actions of the War of 1812. Actually the Niagara was Perry's second flagship during the battle. He transfered his flag from the Lawrence when she was too shot up to continue the fight.
Post by: Barabbas on November 24, 2003, 04:02:53 pm
{drum roll please....}
New....
Joy....
...Zee?
Most decorated battleship in United States Navy history?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
Post by: Kmelew on November 24, 2003, 04:16:06 pm
Quote:
Have NONE of you ever heard of the....
{drum roll please....}
New....
Joy....
...Zee?
Most decorated battleship in United States Navy history?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
"Firepower for Freedom"
I have some pictures of the exterior and interior of the ship, including a 16" turret. I will try to scan them soon and post them.
BTW the "Big J" is the longest of the Iowa-class ships, by about 6". This is because the Philadelphia Naval Yard workers, many who were from NJ, left a piece steel in the bow that was normally cut off. They wanted the New Jersey to stand out from her sisters.
Post by: GE-Raven on November 24, 2003, 04:30:39 pm
Edmund Fitzgerald?
GE-Raven
Post by: Taldren_Erin on November 24, 2003, 04:38:47 pm
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I've got you all beat. One ship that has struck fear into every sailor. The Flying Dutchman!
=)
Post by: Dogmatix! on November 24, 2003, 05:26:51 pm
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I've got you all beat. One ship that has struck fear into every sailor. The Flying Dutchman!
Isn't that the Mary Celeste?
Post by: Uss_Defiant on November 24, 2003, 06:26:02 pm
Tirpitz
Schornst (spelling error i'm sure...)
Post by: JMM on November 24, 2003, 06:32:52 pm
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-fornv/germany/gersh-s/scharn2.htm
Post by: Uss_Defiant on November 24, 2003, 07:43:27 pm
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 24, 2003, 08:03:15 pm
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 24, 2003, 08:10:21 pm
Quote:
USS Niagara. Ok now, how many of you out there know what the significance of this ship is?
The actual battle took place off of Put-in-Bay (a small island) in the western part of Lake Erie. And yes, it was a pivotal battle in the War of 1812. How do I know? Easy, I lived in Perrysburg, Ohio (named after, you got it, Perry himself).
If you go to Put-in-Bay there is a tower you can go up in and a little history on the battle there as well. You can also rent a bike and ride around the island. You have to take a ferry out ot the island (I believe it runs from Port Clinton, Ohio), and I believe there was a small airstrip.
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 24, 2003, 08:12:25 pm
Lots of good canfdidates.
Post by: Strafer on November 24, 2003, 09:31:59 pm
Dime if it's gonna be me tho...
Post by: La'ra on November 24, 2003, 10:27:57 pm
USS Enterprise.
Andrea Doria.
Titanic.
Queen Anne's Revenge. Arrrr!
Post by: BortaS on November 25, 2003, 12:21:09 am
Quote:
Quote:
USS Niagara. Ok now, how many of you out there know what the significance of this ship is?
The actual battle took place off of Put-in-Bay (a small island) in the western part of Lake Erie. And yes, it was a pivotal battle in the War of 1812. How do I know? Easy, I lived in Perrysburg, Ohio (named after, you got it, Perry himself).
If you go to Put-in-Bay there is a tower you can go up in and a little history on the battle there as well. You can also rent a bike and ride around the island. You have to take a ferry out ot the island (I believe it runs from Port Clinton, Ohio), and I believe there was a small airstrip.
There is a ferry from Catabawa as well. It was the first and only time a British fleet was captured. Commodore Perry had a distinquished career. He opened up Japan.
Put-in-Bay is a great party island. The world's longest bar is there. Also America's oldest continuiously run bar is there. My family is from another island next to it called Kelley's Island. My grandmother was a Kelley. And as she often reminded me, it's English, not Irish! That is what the "ey" was for. LOL That generation hated the Irish! And she let me know it.
Post by: TB613 on November 25, 2003, 06:08:27 am
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 25, 2003, 06:57:12 am
Post by: BortaS on November 25, 2003, 08:24:54 am
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BortaS, The British fleet at the Battle of Plattsburgh September 11, 1814 on Lake Champlain had its four "large" ships and some of its gunboats captured by the American fleet. So while the capture of the British fleet by Perry was the first for the British it also unfortunately for the British was not the last.
Actually what I ment to say was it was the only time a British fleet surrended. You are correct that the a British fleet was captured at Champlain, but the fleet did not surrender. Then again, some would argue that the use of the words fleet actions to describe those battles might be a little generous.
Post by: Tremok on November 25, 2003, 09:32:54 am
Enterprise or Noah's Ark.
Post by: NJAntman on November 25, 2003, 09:42:16 am
Quote:Quote:
Have NONE of you ever heard of the....
{drum roll please....}
New....
Joy....
...Zee?
Most decorated battleship in United States Navy history?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
"Firepower for Freedom"
I have some pictures of the exterior and interior of the ship, including a 16" turret. I will try to scan them soon and post them.
BTW the "Big J" is the longest of the Iowa-class ships, by about 6". This is because the Philadelphia Naval Yard workers, many who were from NJ, left a piece steel in the bow that was normally cut off. They wanted the New Jersey to stand out from her sisters.
A classic case of size does matter : 6" Bow envy.
Post by: IndyShark on November 25, 2003, 09:52:06 am
The USS Enterprise
HMS Hood
Here's a naval history quiz, why will there always be a USS England in the US Navy?
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 25, 2003, 09:55:47 am
Post by: BortaS on November 25, 2003, 10:29:27 am
Quote:Quote:
Have NONE of you ever heard of the....
{drum roll please....}
New....
Joy....
...Zee?
Most decorated battleship in United States Navy history?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
"Firepower for Freedom"
I have some pictures of the exterior and interior of the ship, including a 16" turret. I will try to scan them soon and post them.
BTW the "Big J" is the longest of the Iowa-class ships, by about 6". This is because the Philadelphia Naval Yard workers, many who were from NJ, left a piece steel in the bow that was normally cut off. They wanted the New Jersey to stand out from her sisters.
That was true until the Wisconsin had it's accident and they welded the bow of the unfinished Kentucky on her, making her the longest. This was in 1956 when she ramed the destroyer Eaton.
Post by: BortaS on November 25, 2003, 10:33:08 am
Quote:
Have NONE of you ever heard of the....
{drum roll please....}
New....
Joy....
...Zee?
Most decorated battleship in United States Navy history?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
I was sad to hear why she did not make the researve fleet. I would like to find the idiot who authorized the welding of the turrets and beat the crap out of him. At least she will live on as a museum. A better fate than the torch for sure.
Post by: Dogmatix! on November 25, 2003, 10:34:26 am
Post by: IndyShark on November 25, 2003, 10:48:27 am
OPERATION KING
Our goal is to ask the Navy to make good on Admiral King's promise that there would always be an England in the US Navy. Admiral Henry H. Mauz Jr. USN (ret) has signed on as Advisor on this project the goal of which it to return the England name to the seas. The process for doing so starts with the Secretary of the Navy, Hansford T. Johnson. What they'll notice is a file full of letters showing an interest in USS England and a commitment to support her into the future. It is asked that you write a letter in which you include the history of USS England, your feelings as to why it is important to name a ship England and your commitment to this cause. Send letters to:
The Honorable Hansford T. Johnson
Acting Secretary of the Navy
1000 Navy Pentagon
Washington, D.C. 20350-1000
England History in Brief
On December 7, 1941 the battleship USS Oklahoma was tied outboard of USS Maryland at the Fox 5 mooring quay, Pearl Harbor. It was a beautiful sunny morning and the harbor was just coming to life. Ens. John C. England was on duty on USS Oklahoma that morning. He was trading duty with others so that when his wife and new born daughter whom he'd never seen arrived from the mainland, he would have more time with them. During morning colors Japanese Imperial Navy aircraft descended upon Oahu attacking military installations on the island including Pearl Harbor. The battleships at Pearl Harbor were the main targets and all of them suffered damage.
USS Oklahoma was bombed and torpedoed. Within minutes she was rolling over, trapping hundreds in her hull. Men struggled to escape and assist shipmates. One of these was Ens. John Charles England who died while assisting others. His body along with hundreds of others from USS Oklahoma lies in the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific (Punch Bowl).
John England's name can be found in the Courts of the Missing at the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific.
On September 26, 1943 USS England DE-635 was launched. John England's mother swung the bottle of champagne across her bow as she left the ways. USS England was commissioned on December 10, 1943 and by February of 1944 was off to war.
On May 18, 1944 the USS England DE-635 received orders from Admiral Halsey to pursue a Japanese submarine believed to be enroute to Buin, on the southeast tip of Bougainville. The following day in company with destroyer escorts USS GEORGE and USS RABY the USS England sank her first submarine. She would sink five more, part of a Japanese scouting line, before the end of the month. These six submarines in twelve days set a record that has never been equaled. On May 29, 1944 Admiral Halsey sent a message in which he described the feat as "a matter of great pride to the whole South Pacific Team." He continued to say, "May there all ways be an England. Well done and congratulations to all hands." The Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral E. J. King promised "There'll always be an ENGLAND in the United States Navy."
On May 9, 1945 USS England DE-635 was on screening station five miles northwest of Kerama Retto, West of Okinawa. She engaged enemy aircraft. One of these, a Val bomber, dived upon her. She was hit on the starboard side of the superstructure right under the bridge. Twenty-four men and three officers were killed with 10 men missing and twenty-five more wounded. USS England sailed to Philadelphia for conversion to APD but the war ended and she was decommissioned on October 15, 1945 and later scrapped.
15 years later Admiral King's promise was fulfilled in 1960 when the keel of USS England DLG-22 was laid down at Todd Shipyard in San Pedro, California. She went to sea in 1963 and the new USS England served in every major confrontation for the next thirty years. She served in Vietnam and the Gulf War as well as playing a major roll in keeping the Soviet Union in check, preserving American interests and freedom around the world. She served her country while she carried the name of John Charles England and the legacy of DE-635 into the modern age. Each of those who served on her were a part of this and they carry on the tradition of England in their hearts today. All of America reaped the benefits of this fine ship's service as well as the service of DE-635 and Ens. John C. England.
Today there is no USS England in the United States Navy! CG-22 was decommissioned in 1994. Many have asked for a new USS England but so far this has not occurred. Of course that was before the officers and crew of the mighty USS England reunited! With the combined officers and crew from DE-635 and DLG/CG-22 we now have many voices and countless more supporters in families and friends around the globe! This will be hard not to notice!
Learn More About England To Use In Your Letter
Visit the USS England DE-635 web site at http://ussengland.net/DE635/ where you'll find her history, news stories and more.
Read up on Ens. John Charles England at http://ussengland.net/DE635/JCEngland.htm and learn about USS Oklahoma and more.
Use this web site and help it grow. They will be looking at it as thousands of letters arrive!
SEND YOUR LETTER TODAY!
Post by: Mog on November 25, 2003, 11:25:21 am
Post by: Fahrenheit on November 25, 2003, 01:45:18 pm
Quote:
Monitor and Virginia?
Add the Merrimack.
And the Lusitania.
Oh, and the Argo.
F°
"The greatest minds are capable of the greatest vices as well as of the greatest virtues." -- Rene Descartes
Post by: KATChuutRitt on November 25, 2003, 01:56:56 pm
Queen Anne's Revenge
Exxon Valdez
Kon-Tiki
Golden Hind
Pequad
Argo
Post by: Tus on November 25, 2003, 02:05:09 pm
Post by: KATChuutRitt on November 25, 2003, 02:14:18 pm
Potemkin
Calypso
Rainbow Warrior
Kursk
Hunley
Post by: Sethan on November 25, 2003, 02:30:18 pm
Without looking it up, which of the ships mentioned in this thread has also been called the "Blarney Cock"?
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 25, 2003, 03:16:32 pm
Post by: GE-Raven on November 25, 2003, 04:01:48 pm
The Minnow!
GE-Raven
Post by: BortaS on November 25, 2003, 04:29:30 pm
Quote:
Trivia question:
Without looking it up, which of the ships mentioned in this thread has also been called the "Blarney Cock"?
I don't think anyone would get a good result putting Blarney Cock in a search engine!
Post by: Dogmatix! on November 25, 2003, 04:31:39 pm
Quote:
I can't believe everyone has forgotten...
The Minnow!
GE-Raven
i'm certain that boat was mentioned earlier in this thread.
So...REPOST!
If I were at hope, I'd link in a one of my cool "repost" piccys...
Post by: SL-Punisher on November 25, 2003, 05:32:58 pm
Post by: IKV Nemesis D7L on November 25, 2003, 05:56:21 pm
Holland 1
Beagle
Post by: KATChuutRitt on November 25, 2003, 11:00:07 pm
Quote:
Trivia question:
Without looking it up, which of the ships mentioned in this thread has also been called the "Blarney Cock"?
I know that one Sethan, but wont give it away since I origionally posted that ship. Hint Hint to the rest of you....
Post by: Lurker on November 26, 2003, 01:31:25 pm
I've been lucky enough to go on both the Victory and the Warrior as they are moored close to where I live. I think the Victory is still a commisioned ship which I guess would make it the oldest commisioned ship in the world. And let's not forget...
The Mary Rose
The Vasa
The HMS Great Britain.
Post by: Strafer on November 26, 2003, 02:02:08 pm
Quote:
Blue Nose
See?
I knew someone would mention it...
Post by: TB613 on November 26, 2003, 03:18:14 pm
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I would say Titanic is the most famous ship of all time.
I've been lucky enough to go on both the Victory and the Warrior as they are moored close to where I live. I think the Victory is still a commisioned ship which I guess would make it the oldest commisioned ship in the world. And let's not forget...
The Mary Rose
The Vasa
The HMS Great Britain.
The Victory may be the oldest commissioned warship however, the USS Constitution is the oldest commissioned warship that is afloat.
Post by: Lurker on November 27, 2003, 01:18:46 pm
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on November 27, 2003, 02:13:36 pm
Post by: BortaS on November 27, 2003, 08:16:01 pm
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Really? I thought the Victory was afloat?
The Victory has been in a dry dock since the 1920's.
Post by: BortaS on November 27, 2003, 08:21:05 pm
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The Iowa Class Battleships... Just love them. Sad to see them taken out of service, but I believe that two of them are still on the reserve list, although I'm not certain of that anymore. Too many politics! They could still be useful today.
The Iowa and the Wisconsin are on 90 day reserve. It was suposed to be the New Jersey and the Wisconsin, but the turrets on the New Jersey were welded in place when it was demilitarized. This was a bit of politics for sure, as the Iowa never had it's turret fixed from the explosion. Short of WW3 I doubt we will ever seem them sail again.
Post by: NJAntman on November 27, 2003, 09:07:53 pm
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The Iowa Class Battleships... Just love them. Sad to see them taken out of service, but I believe that two of them are still on the reserve list, although I'm not certain of that anymore. Too many politics! They could still be useful today.
The Iowa and the Wisconsin are on 90 day reserve. It was suposed to be the New Jersey and the Wisconsin, but the turrets on the New Jersey were welded in place when it was demilitarized. This was a bit of politics for sure, as the Iowa never had it's turret fixed from the explosion. Short of WW3 I doubt we will ever seem them sail again.
May not need to sail to still be useful. I hear tell rumor that when South Jersey succedes from the oppresive regime of New Jersey, us rebels, I mean South Jerseyites, are gonna tow the Big J up the Delaware to capture the enemy capitol at Trenton. Maybe even annex a few choice portions of Pennsylvania along the way. Down with the urban tyrants of New Jersey!!
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on November 27, 2003, 09:34:14 pm
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The Iowa Class Battleships... Just love them. Sad to see them taken out of service, but I believe that two of them are still on the reserve list, although I'm not certain of that anymore. Too many politics! They could still be useful today.
The Iowa and the Wisconsin are on 90 day reserve. It was suposed to be the New Jersey and the Wisconsin, but the turrets on the New Jersey were welded in place when it was demilitarized. This was a bit of politics for sure, as the Iowa never had it's turret fixed from the explosion. Short of WW3 I doubt we will ever seem them sail again.
I've tried to keep up with the Iowas... Seems as if there are groups within the military that still wish for them to be active service. However, there are those pushing for them to be turned into memorials and such as well.
A site I've used to keep up with their status...
Iowa Class BBs
There is also another organization out there, the United States Naval Fire Support Association. I believe they were working on fighting congress from giving the Iowas the axe... I can't seem to find their website anymore.
A side note, the Iowa actually did have most of the turret repaired after the explosion. The remaining spare parts to finish repairs are still inside the turret itself.
Talk about the power to intimidate... Reagan, upon the upgrading of the Iowas...
Post by: TheJudge on November 27, 2003, 11:47:50 pm
In the early 1990's the parts for the 5"38 gun mounts (my ship had same type as the Iowa BB secondary mounts) were almost non-existent. We had scrounged parts from nearly every ship in the mothball fleet to keep ours active and even that was not really possible to do anymore. The 16" mounts were even in worse shape. Those ships are, for all real purposes, history.
The Marines have to hope they never really need NGFS from now on....
Post by: ChrsLWlstr on November 28, 2003, 12:04:49 am
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Actually, the turret was damaged beyond repair...unless a factory figured out how to make the spare parts (the designs were lost and they would have to be reverse engineered. Then the factory line would have to be reassembled at great cost.).
In the early 1990's the parts for the 5"38 gun mounts (my ship had same type as the Iowa BB secondary mounts) were almost non-existent. We had scrounged parts from nearly every ship in the mothball fleet to keep ours active and even that was not really possible to do anymore. The 16" mounts were even in worse shape. Those ships are, for all real purposes, history.
The Marines have to hope they never really need NGFS from now on....
Hmm... I'm pretty sure I read that it was nearly repaired. Have to dig for some information on that one.
And as to the Marines... Their commanders in particular were the ones pushing for the Iowas active service (Fire Support Capabilites Needed) from what I observed in a few articles.
Post by: KOTH-Steel Claw on November 28, 2003, 08:39:49 am
Post by: Lurker on November 28, 2003, 06:36:47 pm
Maybe I was thinking of the Warrior...
...which is a most excellent ship too. Lol and to think, I live about 10 miles away from them and you guys were right
Post by: Blyre on November 30, 2003, 10:15:46 am
Wallace
Post by: TheBigCheese on November 30, 2003, 10:44:04 am
Seydlitz
Cutty Sark
Post by: TheJudge on November 30, 2003, 06:59:36 pm
U.S.S. Long Beach (CGN-9). The world's first Nuclear-powered surface vessel. She also featured the first phased-array radar and the most impressive arsenal of her time. During Vietnam, she was the first warship to shoot down an aircraft with a Surface-to-Air missile in combat. Decommisioned in 1994, she was the first, and arguably the greatest of all American nuclear-powered cruisers. At the time of her commissioning she was armed as follows:
2 - Mk 10 Terrier Surface to Air missile launchers (Mod 0 and Mod 1 - Mod 0 held 40 missiles while Mod 1 held 80).
1 - Talos Surface to Air missile system (it was this system that shot down a North Vietmanese Mig)
1 - Asroc anti-submarine rocket launcher
2 - 354 mm anti-submarine torpedo tubes
Shortly after commissioning, 2 Mk. 30 5"38 caliber gun mounts were added midships.
In 1980 she underwent refueling and NTU upgrade. Her final armaments were:
2 - Mk 10 SM2-ER SAM systems. 120 round magazine. Each missile capable of ranges up to 125 miles. Could handle up to 16 missiles in the air at any time.
2 - 5"38 caliber dual-purpose gun mounts
1 - Asroc anti-sub rocket launcher
2 - 354 mm anti-submarine torpedo tubes
8 - Harpoon anti-ship missiles
2 - Tomahawk Armored box launchers (capable of holding up to 8 Tomahawk cruise missiles)
2 - Phalanx point defense systems.
She also featured flag facilities that rivaled any onboard a carrier as well as electronic warfare detection and intercept capabilities far beyond most cruisers. For sheer amount of weaponry, only the Aegis cruisers could challenge her and she repeatedly outperformed them in every operations exercise that she participated.
Only part of that was thanks the to the excellent crew...
Post by: Kmelew on November 30, 2003, 07:43:15 pm
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I'll throw in my old ship into this argument:
U.S.S. Long Beach (CGN-9). The world's first Nuclear-powered surface vessel. She also featured the first phased-array radar and the most impressive arsenal of her time. During Vietnam, she was the first warship to shoot down an aircraft with a Surface-to-Air missile in combat. Decommisioned in 1994, she was the first, and arguably the greatest of all American nuclear-powered cruisers. At the time of her commissioning she was armed as follows:
2 - Mk 10 Terrier Surface to Air missile launchers (Mod 0 and Mod 1 - Mod 0 held 40 missiles while Mod 1 held 80).
1 - Talos Surface to Air missile system (it was this system that shot down a North Vietmanese Mig)
1 - Asroc anti-submarine rocket launcher
2 - 354 mm anti-submarine torpedo tubes
Shortly after commissioning, 2 Mk. 30 5"38 caliber gun mounts were added midships.
In 1980 she underwent refueling and NTU upgrade. Her final armaments were:
2 - Mk 10 SM2-ER SAM systems. 120 round magazine. Each missile capable of ranges up to 125 miles. Could handle up to 16 missiles in the air at any time.
2 - 5"38 caliber dual-purpose gun mounts
1 - Asroc anti-sub rocket launcher
2 - 354 mm anti-submarine torpedo tubes
8 - Harpoon anti-ship missiles
2 - Tomahawk Armored box launchers (capable of holding up to 8 Tomahawk cruise missiles)
2 - Phalanx point defense systems.
She also featured flag facilities that rivaled any onboard a carrier as well as electronic warfare detection and intercept capabilities far beyond most cruisers. For sheer amount of weaponry, only the Aegis cruisers could challenge her and she repeatedly outperformed them in every operations exercise that she participated.
Only part of that was thanks the to the excellent crew...
Wasn't the Long Beach the only other warship to have the same radar system as the USS Enterprise (CVN-65)? I remember reading that somewhere. Looking a photographs of her early career, the Long Beach's bridge superstructure looks very similar to the Enterprise's original island.
Post by: TheJudge on November 30, 2003, 09:34:43 pm
I'll link to them later, but yeah, the Long Beach originally had the same phased array radar the Enterprise did. That's why she had a big box superstructure. They removed it later and installed a standard SPS-48/SPS-49 system later.
The original 1980 conversion was to place Aegis on the superstructure and install the Mk 41 VLS systems. However this was nixed by Congress for budget considerations. Too bad, they could have placed three 61 cell Mk 41 launchers in the forward area. That would have made her more powerful than any of the Tico class cruisers.
Post by: FatherTed on November 30, 2003, 10:17:13 pm
Post by: 762 on December 01, 2003, 09:06:49 am
Didn't she displace like 18,000 tons or something like that? Definitely a big ass cruiser.
Post by: Ferretlxix_XC on June 27, 2006, 06:21:55 pm
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2e/Bushnell-turtle-big.jpg/401px-Bushnell-turtle-big.jpg)
Turtle or the
(http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h53000/h53230.jpg)
USS Indianapolis (CA-35) (Which I have a book that Stephen a.k.a Sirgod still has to return to me)
Post by: Sirgod on June 29, 2006, 12:46:57 pm
Stephen
Post by: Ferretlxix_XC on June 29, 2006, 07:59:54 pm
Oh damn man, I completly forgot. I'll try and get it out next week.No probs, as long I get it before I leave for D.G.
Stephen
I might use it for an asignment if required.
Post by: Sirgod on July 03, 2006, 08:44:33 am
What this means, is after they get back, I'll have a few bucks to go on a mini vacation myself, and of course, there's only two places I want to go. To visit you and Amy and the kids again, and of course I want to get up and visit Postman, he's been damn good to me and my fire dept. So If everything works out come next month...
Stephen
Post by: Ferretlxix_XC on July 05, 2006, 11:16:13 am
Post by: AlienLXIX on July 07, 2006, 12:22:51 pm
Hotties on beaches . . .
Ummm
Did I mention HULA GIRLS?
LOL
Post by: Lieutenant_Q on July 07, 2006, 12:27:43 pm
Post by: Ferretlxix_XC on July 07, 2006, 12:48:00 pm
Ahh...the Indianapolis... The ship I try to sink EVERYTIME I play the Japanese in Victory in the Pacific. No Atom bomb getting dropped on me... :Dresistance is futile
Post by: Lieutenant_Q on July 07, 2006, 02:26:26 pm
Best result I've seen for the Japanese Navy...Pearl Harbor raid sinks every Battleship, then just racks up the points before turn 7 (the turn the US gets like 6 Carriers and 10 Radar assisted Battleships) Even then...the Japanese are still trying to figure out how to hold on to enough sea zones to wind up with even 1 Control Point at the end of turn 8
Post by: Ferretlxix_XC on July 14, 2006, 03:03:45 pm
True...very true...the Japanese Navy is always fighting for its proverbial life in turn 8...anyone who plays the optional turn 9 hates the Japanese.You need a way to get rid of the carriers and the subs in 1941 to help your fleet first or all is lost. But, I guess the world opinon in the end really is a major factor to. LOL!
Best result I've seen for the Japanese Navy...Pearl Harbor raid sinks every Battleship, then just racks up the points before turn 7 (the turn the US gets like 6 Carriers and 10 Radar assisted Battleships) Even then...the Japanese are still trying to figure out how to hold on to enough sea zones to wind up with even 1 Control Point at the end of turn 8
Post by: AlienLXIX on July 15, 2006, 03:45:55 am
Hello hello? Hula Girls? Anyone?
Post by: AlienLXIX on July 21, 2006, 12:06:20 pm
Post by: Lieutenant_Q on July 21, 2006, 12:57:39 pm
Unfortunately because of the way the game is designed, you only have a 1 in 2 chance of even getting the shoot at a carrier that first turn, and then only a 1 in 3 chance of hitting said carrier.True...very true...the Japanese Navy is always fighting for its proverbial life in turn 8...anyone who plays the optional turn 9 hates the Japanese.You need a way to get rid of the carriers and the subs in 1941 to help your fleet first or all is lost. But, I guess the world opinon in the end really is a major factor to. LOL!
Best result I've seen for the Japanese Navy...Pearl Harbor raid sinks every Battleship, then just racks up the points before turn 7 (the turn the US gets like 6 Carriers and 10 Radar assisted Battleships) Even then...the Japanese are still trying to figure out how to hold on to enough sea zones to wind up with even 1 Control Point at the end of turn 8