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Title: How come?
Post by: TB613 on January 21, 2004, 04:03:56 am
I do not have off street parking. So why is it that when it is 20 degrees above zero, when I do not need to plug my block heater in, I can park directly in front of my house? Yet, when it is 10, 15, 20 or more degrees below zero I am lucky if I can park within 200 feet of my house when I do want to plug it in to keep the engine warm.

/ rant off.    
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: The Postman on January 21, 2004, 10:42:50 am
At least it sounds like you are starting. I gelled the other morning. I was able to get it started a day later and 3 qts of Power Service.  
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: Bonk on January 21, 2004, 01:33:22 pm
That ain't a winter parking beef - you wanna hear a real winter parking beef?:

I gave up parking on the street in winter after getting over $350 dollars in tickets (no parking on the street during winter), I couldn't find rental parking within 5 miles, so I parked in my driveway, I got more tickets (unused common laneway), I parked on my lawn (also illegal) in three feet of snow, I got another ticket, I moved back to the driveway,  this time four cruisers and a total of eight cops showed up, two on the sidewalk with their guns trained on me... I left town, drove over 1500 kilometers away sold the car and I am done with it. The police will never have that power over me again.

Now that's a winter parking beef!  
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: TB613 on January 21, 2004, 03:34:26 pm
Quote:

At least it sounds like you are starting. I gelled the other morning. I was able to get it started a day later and 3 qts of Power Service.  



I didn't start last Sunday, the battery that was in the car when I bought it finally quit. I am actually somewhat suprised that it lasted as long as it did since it was only a 650/525 amp battery which I consider to small for reliable winter starting in the climate where I live. One I got it started I went up to Wal Mart and picked up a 1000/850 amp battery, brought it home,  charged it up, and put it in on Monday.  
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: The Postman on January 21, 2004, 07:00:18 pm
I should clarify what happened to me. I started my truck and let it warm up for 15 or 20 minutes. It was nice and warm when I started to work. I went about 3/4 mile down the road when the fuel gelled in the lines and filter when the outside temp dropped another 4 degrees as I went down the hill. I had to tow it home with the other pickup after I got it started. I had not plugged that one in the night before. I wound up calling out Friday. On Sat. I got it started after it warmed up to a balmy 20 degrees.  
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: TB613 on January 22, 2004, 04:13:38 am
Postman, do you run number 1 diesel in the winter? That would avoid the bother of having the fuel gel up on a cold day although it is more expensive in the long run it will save money with better winter reliablility.

Well, yesterday when I came home at 3:00 am it was 25 degrees above zero. 24 hours later the temperature is a balmy 20 degrees below zero, a mere 45 degree drop, with a wind chill of 43 degrees below zero.    
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: The Postman on January 22, 2004, 05:57:52 pm
TB613, Around here if you can find a pump with #1, it is usually dyed and not usable. What happened to me however is that I filled the 100 and 40 gal  tanks on my pickup last Memorial  day weekend. A few days later I shattered my right leg helping my neighbor. I was only able to start driving this truck in December. I had been allowed to drive an automatic since late September but not the 6 spd. So when the below 0 weather hit last week, all I could do was treat the summer fuel and keep my fingers crossed.  I didn't treat enough as it turned out. But now with 3 qts of Power Service I think I will be OK for the rest of the winter.  My wife's diesel pickup didn't miss a beat during the cold weather because it did have winter fuel. I even was able to cold start it at -10 so I could go and recover mine.  

The cold front that went by you yesterday just went through here an hour ago. They say that we are going below 0 here again every night untill Monday morning.
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: TB613 on January 23, 2004, 04:26:24 am
One hundred and forty gallons of diesel fuel! You obviously like to go a long time between pit stops.      
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: Losiack on January 23, 2004, 01:16:44 pm
It is not an unusual thing to have big rigs fuel up in warmer (and also less taxed) US and then travel north to Canada. If the temperature drops to far (about -20C), the diesel in the tanks will have the fluidity of Jell-O. I have heard that it is quite an undertaking to fix if you don't have access to a heated machine shop!

In Canada, additives are added to diesel during winter to prevent that from happening.

Losiack
Title: How come?
Post by: TB613 on January 21, 2004, 04:03:56 am
I do not have off street parking. So why is it that when it is 20 degrees above zero, when I do not need to plug my block heater in, I can park directly in front of my house? Yet, when it is 10, 15, 20 or more degrees below zero I am lucky if I can park within 200 feet of my house when I do want to plug it in to keep the engine warm.

/ rant off.    
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: The Postman on January 21, 2004, 10:42:50 am
At least it sounds like you are starting. I gelled the other morning. I was able to get it started a day later and 3 qts of Power Service.  
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: Bonk on January 21, 2004, 01:33:22 pm
That ain't a winter parking beef - you wanna hear a real winter parking beef?:

I gave up parking on the street in winter after getting over $350 dollars in tickets (no parking on the street during winter), I couldn't find rental parking within 5 miles, so I parked in my driveway, I got more tickets (unused common laneway), I parked on my lawn (also illegal) in three feet of snow, I got another ticket, I moved back to the driveway,  this time four cruisers and a total of eight cops showed up, two on the sidewalk with their guns trained on me... I left town, drove over 1500 kilometers away sold the car and I am done with it. The police will never have that power over me again.

Now that's a winter parking beef!  
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: TB613 on January 21, 2004, 03:34:26 pm
Quote:

At least it sounds like you are starting. I gelled the other morning. I was able to get it started a day later and 3 qts of Power Service.  



I didn't start last Sunday, the battery that was in the car when I bought it finally quit. I am actually somewhat suprised that it lasted as long as it did since it was only a 650/525 amp battery which I consider to small for reliable winter starting in the climate where I live. One I got it started I went up to Wal Mart and picked up a 1000/850 amp battery, brought it home,  charged it up, and put it in on Monday.  
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: The Postman on January 21, 2004, 07:00:18 pm
I should clarify what happened to me. I started my truck and let it warm up for 15 or 20 minutes. It was nice and warm when I started to work. I went about 3/4 mile down the road when the fuel gelled in the lines and filter when the outside temp dropped another 4 degrees as I went down the hill. I had to tow it home with the other pickup after I got it started. I had not plugged that one in the night before. I wound up calling out Friday. On Sat. I got it started after it warmed up to a balmy 20 degrees.  
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: TB613 on January 22, 2004, 04:13:38 am
Postman, do you run number 1 diesel in the winter? That would avoid the bother of having the fuel gel up on a cold day although it is more expensive in the long run it will save money with better winter reliablility.

Well, yesterday when I came home at 3:00 am it was 25 degrees above zero. 24 hours later the temperature is a balmy 20 degrees below zero, a mere 45 degree drop, with a wind chill of 43 degrees below zero.    
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: The Postman on January 22, 2004, 05:57:52 pm
TB613, Around here if you can find a pump with #1, it is usually dyed and not usable. What happened to me however is that I filled the 100 and 40 gal  tanks on my pickup last Memorial  day weekend. A few days later I shattered my right leg helping my neighbor. I was only able to start driving this truck in December. I had been allowed to drive an automatic since late September but not the 6 spd. So when the below 0 weather hit last week, all I could do was treat the summer fuel and keep my fingers crossed.  I didn't treat enough as it turned out. But now with 3 qts of Power Service I think I will be OK for the rest of the winter.  My wife's diesel pickup didn't miss a beat during the cold weather because it did have winter fuel. I even was able to cold start it at -10 so I could go and recover mine.  

The cold front that went by you yesterday just went through here an hour ago. They say that we are going below 0 here again every night untill Monday morning.
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: TB613 on January 23, 2004, 04:26:24 am
One hundred and forty gallons of diesel fuel! You obviously like to go a long time between pit stops.      
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: Losiack on January 23, 2004, 01:16:44 pm
It is not an unusual thing to have big rigs fuel up in warmer (and also less taxed) US and then travel north to Canada. If the temperature drops to far (about -20C), the diesel in the tanks will have the fluidity of Jell-O. I have heard that it is quite an undertaking to fix if you don't have access to a heated machine shop!

In Canada, additives are added to diesel during winter to prevent that from happening.

Losiack
Title: How come?
Post by: TB613 on January 21, 2004, 04:03:56 am
I do not have off street parking. So why is it that when it is 20 degrees above zero, when I do not need to plug my block heater in, I can park directly in front of my house? Yet, when it is 10, 15, 20 or more degrees below zero I am lucky if I can park within 200 feet of my house when I do want to plug it in to keep the engine warm.

/ rant off.    
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: The Postman on January 21, 2004, 10:42:50 am
At least it sounds like you are starting. I gelled the other morning. I was able to get it started a day later and 3 qts of Power Service.  
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: Bonk on January 21, 2004, 01:33:22 pm
That ain't a winter parking beef - you wanna hear a real winter parking beef?:

I gave up parking on the street in winter after getting over $350 dollars in tickets (no parking on the street during winter), I couldn't find rental parking within 5 miles, so I parked in my driveway, I got more tickets (unused common laneway), I parked on my lawn (also illegal) in three feet of snow, I got another ticket, I moved back to the driveway,  this time four cruisers and a total of eight cops showed up, two on the sidewalk with their guns trained on me... I left town, drove over 1500 kilometers away sold the car and I am done with it. The police will never have that power over me again.

Now that's a winter parking beef!  
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: TB613 on January 21, 2004, 03:34:26 pm
Quote:

At least it sounds like you are starting. I gelled the other morning. I was able to get it started a day later and 3 qts of Power Service.  



I didn't start last Sunday, the battery that was in the car when I bought it finally quit. I am actually somewhat suprised that it lasted as long as it did since it was only a 650/525 amp battery which I consider to small for reliable winter starting in the climate where I live. One I got it started I went up to Wal Mart and picked up a 1000/850 amp battery, brought it home,  charged it up, and put it in on Monday.  
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: The Postman on January 21, 2004, 07:00:18 pm
I should clarify what happened to me. I started my truck and let it warm up for 15 or 20 minutes. It was nice and warm when I started to work. I went about 3/4 mile down the road when the fuel gelled in the lines and filter when the outside temp dropped another 4 degrees as I went down the hill. I had to tow it home with the other pickup after I got it started. I had not plugged that one in the night before. I wound up calling out Friday. On Sat. I got it started after it warmed up to a balmy 20 degrees.  
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: TB613 on January 22, 2004, 04:13:38 am
Postman, do you run number 1 diesel in the winter? That would avoid the bother of having the fuel gel up on a cold day although it is more expensive in the long run it will save money with better winter reliablility.

Well, yesterday when I came home at 3:00 am it was 25 degrees above zero. 24 hours later the temperature is a balmy 20 degrees below zero, a mere 45 degree drop, with a wind chill of 43 degrees below zero.    
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: The Postman on January 22, 2004, 05:57:52 pm
TB613, Around here if you can find a pump with #1, it is usually dyed and not usable. What happened to me however is that I filled the 100 and 40 gal  tanks on my pickup last Memorial  day weekend. A few days later I shattered my right leg helping my neighbor. I was only able to start driving this truck in December. I had been allowed to drive an automatic since late September but not the 6 spd. So when the below 0 weather hit last week, all I could do was treat the summer fuel and keep my fingers crossed.  I didn't treat enough as it turned out. But now with 3 qts of Power Service I think I will be OK for the rest of the winter.  My wife's diesel pickup didn't miss a beat during the cold weather because it did have winter fuel. I even was able to cold start it at -10 so I could go and recover mine.  

The cold front that went by you yesterday just went through here an hour ago. They say that we are going below 0 here again every night untill Monday morning.
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: TB613 on January 23, 2004, 04:26:24 am
One hundred and forty gallons of diesel fuel! You obviously like to go a long time between pit stops.      
Title: Re: How come?
Post by: Losiack on January 23, 2004, 01:16:44 pm
It is not an unusual thing to have big rigs fuel up in warmer (and also less taxed) US and then travel north to Canada. If the temperature drops to far (about -20C), the diesel in the tanks will have the fluidity of Jell-O. I have heard that it is quite an undertaking to fix if you don't have access to a heated machine shop!

In Canada, additives are added to diesel during winter to prevent that from happening.

Losiack