Post by: Wolfsglen on April 15, 2004, 01:33:30 pm
ADDITIONAL: Probable fix for missing saucer textures on both variants HERE
First 2 Variants: HERE
Second 2 Variants: HERE
And also thanks to Mariner for giving me some great ideas to use...including some that will be kept for a future date when my Max skills improve
The 4 variants are:
1: Standard Chicago in a TMP-style Refit
2: TMP-Style Refit with underside engine replaced by a weapons/sensor pod
3: Standard Chicago in TMP-Style Refit with Torp Launchers moved under the nose
4: Tmp Style Refit with under nose Torp Launchers and full sized underside engine to match the top 2.
Have fun, should be plenty enough variants to suit everyone
I'll be taking a break for a few days now, but dont be afraid to let me know what ya think.PS: Shuddup about the Reliant registry
If anyone wants to release a texture set with different registries i would be very happy.Post by: Kaenyne on April 15, 2004, 01:35:28 pm
Post by: DonKarnage on April 15, 2004, 02:42:29 pm
can you make a tmp of a old cl, the kentucky class ncc 522?, i got the mod if u want to see it.
anyway good job in making a tmp of that tos ship
Post by: Rogue on April 15, 2004, 04:18:52 pm
Post by: ModelsPlease on April 15, 2004, 05:03:32 pm
-MP
Post by: Wolfsglen on April 15, 2004, 05:08:34 pm
EDIT: Ok i just downloaded it and it displays fine in-game and in model viewer
Can anyone else have a try and let us know if you have the same problem?EDIT2: Ok i just realised that one of the top textures is 507x512 for some stupid reason, and although it displays fine in-game and in modviewer for me, it could well be the cause of it for you, so as a temp fix, try changing the TOP2.BMP to 512x512 and seeing if that cures it.
EDIT3: And thank you for the kind words guys, is always appreciated.
Post by: DonKarnage on April 15, 2004, 10:09:08 pm
Post by: Rod O'neal on April 16, 2004, 01:38:51 am
Post by: Dizzy on April 16, 2004, 02:00:17 am
Would be nice to see more ship options than the folders we are limited to for the fed cl types in opplus.
Post by: Wolfsglen on April 16, 2004, 04:49:59 am
Anyone got any ideas why the textures dont show for some? They are perfect for me, and i even got my Missus to download it, and it displays fine in ModViewer for her too on a completely different puter...Dont suppose you guys use a particular kind of graphics card? Everyone i know with an nvidia based one has no probs at all, and i cant see why its messing up for some people.
Post by: DonKarnage on April 16, 2004, 06:40:38 am
, my video card is part of the mother board.
Post by: starforce2 on April 16, 2004, 07:50:28 am
Post by: ModelsPlease on April 16, 2004, 07:51:35 am
-MP
ModelsPlease@aol.com
Post by: starforce2 on April 16, 2004, 08:01:24 am
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I don't know how to change the texture size.Could you just post the resized Top2.BMP or send it to me please.Thanks again for the great ships !
-MP
ModelsPlease@aol.com
Most photo editing programs can do it, even paint. Try searching through the menu's for a resize option. Change the dimentions to 512/512 or something and your set.
Post by: ModelsPlease on April 16, 2004, 08:05:58 am
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I don't know how to change the texture size.Could you just post the resized Top2.BMP or send it to me please.Thanks again for the great ships !
-MP
ModelsPlease@aol.com
Most photo editing programs can do it, even paint. Try searching through the menu's for a resize option. Change the dimentions to 512/512 or something and your set.
Ok I'll give it a try.
Update: WOW I feel like a kid on Christmas morning.Thanks sir,I found the resize option,did it and it worked.Model fixed.See you can learn something new everyday.I know i just did
-MP
Update 2:I actually fixed 2 more ships I had texture problems with.Thanks again Starforce 2 for that little bit of info.On another note I have a two more ships with texture problems that I am sure I am no match to take on. 1) It's a 4 Narcelle hybrid of a Gal / Amb / and Excel stylings. 2) An Aero_Class Fed Fighter/Shuttle . I'm sure it's a matter of texture sizing or something like that.Anyone want to attemp the repair ? Then we can all enjoy another 2 ships in the SFC universe.
-MP
Post by: Wolfsglen on April 16, 2004, 08:14:42 am
Let me know, and thank you guys
Hehe and well done MP, its always worth having a tweak and try, its how i learnt to 'bash in Max
Post by: Rod O'neal on April 16, 2004, 08:19:53 am
SF2, I wasn't planning on releasing it. If you (or anyone else) want it, let me know.
Post by: ModelsPlease on April 16, 2004, 08:39:40 am
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I'm using an ATI card and I'm not having any troubles. I'm confused as well? I hope that someone can figure it out.
SF2, I wasn't planning on releasing it. If you (or anyone else) want it, let me know.
I can't speak for everyone else but I know I would like it if you are offering to share it.
-MP
ModelsPlease@aol.com
Post by: Chrystoff on April 16, 2004, 08:49:49 am
Quote:Boy, this 2 engine version is very cool, too.
I only DL'd the 2nd set with the forward torp tubes, but all of the textures appear to be there (I did resize the one texture that wasn't square). I also removed the bottom warp engine and pylon to get a free F-NCL model out of the deal.
Post by: Rod O'neal on April 16, 2004, 10:47:25 am
I sent you an PM with a link to the model.
Post by: DarkMatrix on April 16, 2004, 11:18:22 am
Post by: DarkMatrix on April 16, 2004, 11:41:08 am
sorry could not help myself just had to do other refit of this fine ship what u think? Chicago-E
DM
Post by: Chrystoff on April 16, 2004, 11:50:07 am
Quote:
I'm using an ATI card and I'm not having any troubles. I'm confused as well? I hope that someone can figure it out.
SF2, I wasn't planning on releasing it. If you (or anyone else) want it, let me know.
Rod, I'd like your NCL version. Can you send me the mod. & brk.mod? chrystoff@yahoo.com
Post by: FireSoul on April 16, 2004, 12:32:36 pm
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I'm using an ATI card and I'm not having any troubles. I'm confused as well? I hope that someone can figure it out.
SF2, I wasn't planning on releasing it. If you (or anyone else) want it, let me know.
Rod, I'd like your NCL version. Can you send me the mod. & brk.mod? chrystoff@yahoo.com
I want it too.. .. although the markings will have to change.
.. although.. I can just edit and make it all myself. It's a great idea tho.
-- Luc
Post by: FireSoul on April 16, 2004, 12:34:01 pm
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I wonder if FS will rework his 3.2 list update (if there is one) so as to include using this model in place of the miranda folder that is over representative of too many ships in the fed list.
Would be nice to see more ship options than the folders we are limited to for the fed cl types in opplus.
Duh.
Post by: DH123 on April 16, 2004, 02:16:12 pm
The NCL version looks awesome to, I may stop using the Miranda.
Post by: E_Look on April 16, 2004, 03:55:38 pm
Post by: Rogue on April 16, 2004, 04:45:39 pm
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I wonder if FS will rework his 3.2 list update...
Duh.
Ahem...
This struck me as funny.
Post by: FireSoul on April 16, 2004, 05:44:46 pm
.. jeez man.. and the textures.. you can reduce the space taken by the BMPs by reducing their BPP from 24 to 8. It won't affect the model.
Otherwise, this thing is a great looking ship.
Post by: Rod O'neal on April 16, 2004, 05:47:00 pm
Post by: Wolfsglen on April 16, 2004, 05:55:11 pm
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3470 polys.. That's too rich for my blood. I'll have to see if I can lower that without any ill effects. LODs are also needed..
.. jeez man.. and the textures.. you can reduce the space taken by the BMPs by reducing their BPP from 24 to 8. It won't affect the model.
Does affect them on my machine for some reason, when i run 8x Anti-Aliasing or higher I get nasty flickering and ocassional transparency...at the higher settings they dont. Probably just my GFX/drivers, but i cant stand the flickering lol. I know a lot of people will need LODs, but i dont need to worry about them on my machine as long as the model is below 4000, which is purely selfish but gives me time to work on other stuff.
Remember, ive only been using Max for about 3 weeks now
Post by: Mariner on April 16, 2004, 06:00:12 pm
* - Lower Sensor dome does not match the curvature of the saucer and the forward light fixture is digging into the mesh.
* Adjustment of lighting testures to fit new hull geometry. I'd be happy if we could actually see the light for the top half of the saucer.
* - Make the ALL nacelles glow on both sides and add the 1651 registry to them.
* - Removal OR alteration of saucer line markings. I think that my paint bashing skills and word editing skills aren't to to fixing either.
* - Adujustment of the saucer textures so that they do not "warp" slightly on the underside.
I hope that isn't too much.
BTW, where can I get some swell blank 1024 P81 Ent textures? Destiny used some on his DeForrest Kelly, and I'd I think I can make the registriy in Word if the saucer were bigger (so that the red lines show up at the proper size relative to the lettering.)
Post by: wanderer on April 16, 2004, 06:04:53 pm
For the first two varients...
...the 1st would be the basic NCA...
- 1651 Chicago (Later refit to NHV)
1652 New York
1653 Dayton (Later refit to NHV)
1654 Los Angeles
...plus many others.
The 2nd version would make a fine NCD if the torp pod were changed to drones (the 4 B-racks; and could the rear of the pod be closed up?), and the top side torps (which this version dosn't have) be changed to drones as well (the 2 G-racks)...
1515 Azov
1516 Groznyy
1517 Gromykii
1541 Sverdlov
1542 Varyag
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Of the 2nd two varients...
...if the 1st were given an extra phaser to the p/s mounts, it would make a nice NCC (the torps being moved to the front of the saucer to make room for the flag bridge accomodations).
- 1655 London -Completed as NCC (+ 2 others, as well as a CLC converted. My personal list includes...
1660 Buenos Aires
1664 Calgary -renamed Indianapolis
1580 Clausewitz -renamed Dallas
As for the 4th varient with the full-sized 3rd nacelle, being the stickler that I am, I prefer the smaller nacelle. Although, this could be used as the basis for an NCF, which had 3 full-sizes nacelles.
**********
For a normal NCL, I would simply remove the 3rd nacelle from the first version (with the torps on top).
1500 Kearsarge
1501 Reliant
1502 Alabama
1503 Repulse
1504 Renown
1505 Prince of Wales
I would take Rod's version...
...add an extra phaser to the p/s mounts, and you have an instant CLC.
1580 Clausewitz -Converted to NCC design in '79
1581 Sun Tzu
1582 Jomini
1583 Tacitus
1584 Mahan
1585 Clancy
1586 Coyle
1587 Webber
For DarkMatrix's version...
...if the 3rd nacelle was re-added, and the changes discussed above for the NCD were done, it would make a great NDC.
- 1690 USS Crecy
1691 USS Terra Australis -refit NCD
*The hull numbers and the 2nd name are my additions
Lotsa possibilities here for all of the NCL/NCA varients from SFB.
Post by: Wolfsglen on April 16, 2004, 06:18:54 pm
Its all lit for me...lights and windows all glow in-game, plus registry number is highlighted, what more lighting is needed there? You could have emailed me a few days ago when i gave you the link to preview and SAID something before it got released?
Unless you are just planning to sit there looking at it zoomed-in via ModViewer, half that stuff doesnt show up in-game anyway - its not a JOAT submission roflSheesh just build a new one fer chrissakes!
Post by: wanderer on April 16, 2004, 06:26:47 pm
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BTW, where can I get some swell blank 1024 P81 Ent textures? Destiny used some on his DeForrest Kelly, and I'd I think I can make the registriy in Word if the saucer were bigger (so that the red lines show up at the proper size relative to the lettering.)
You can get P81 textures at New Galveston Shipyards... http://nightsoftware.com/compictures/pataflafla/
Post by: Mariner on April 16, 2004, 07:04:17 pm
I'll put up screenies ASAP.
Post by: Mariner on April 16, 2004, 07:08:27 pm
Post by: DonKarnage on April 16, 2004, 07:37:14 pm
Post by: DarkMatrix on April 16, 2004, 07:51:23 pm
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Well, DD, I like having a big missile launcher on its back. Is this going to be downloadable sometime?
i`ll upload it now give me few mins i`ll post a download link then
DM
Post by: DarkMatrix on April 16, 2004, 07:53:00 pm
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The torp launcher on the top is cool. It's better to be able to see the photons flash from the launchers, like you can when it's on top. Good idea, man.
thxs man
DM
Post by: starforce2 on April 16, 2004, 08:33:02 pm
Now where's the dl for the cl and the darkdrone version?
Post by: Mariner on April 16, 2004, 09:28:33 pm
Anyone wanna help with texturing the nacelles? I'd like them to be lit from both sides, but the third nacelle has an older texture than the other two.
Post by: FireSoul on April 16, 2004, 10:04:19 pm
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FireSoul, while your modding the Chicago, can you try and attempt the following?
* - Lower Sensor dome does not match the curvature of the saucer and the forward light fixture is digging into the mesh.
* Adjustment of lighting testures to fit new hull geometry. I'd be happy if we could actually see the light for the top half of the saucer.
* - Make the ALL nacelles glow on both sides and add the 1651 registry to them.
* - Removal OR alteration of saucer line markings. I think that my paint bashing skills and word editing skills aren't to to fixing either.
* - Adujustment of the saucer textures so that they do not "warp" slightly on the underside.
I hope that isn't too much.
uhm.. my own artistic skills are limited. I would rather let someone else handle such things since all I want is a more appropriate model for my mod..
Post by: ModelsPlease on April 16, 2004, 11:27:18 pm
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looks like we got ourselfs anbother remora...lol..6 variants of the same ship haha.
Now where's the dl for the cl and the darkdrone version?
Perhaps Rogue could host them all in his shipyard, park it right next to the Remora's
Post by: FireSoul on April 17, 2004, 03:27:20 am
bot.bmp
top2.bmp
fcaC.bmp
ncasec.bmp
I need the following registries:
NCC-1503 U.S.S Repulse
NCC-1515 U.S.S Azoz
NCC-1651 U.S.S Chicago
NCC-1677 U.S.S Manta Ray
NCC-1689? U.S.S Crecy
These are for model variants.. and I kinda suck at putting in lettering on the saucers.
Post by: wanderer on April 17, 2004, 04:45:11 am
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I need help with some lettering texture work.. for the following files:
bot.bmp
top2.bmp
fcaC.bmp
ncasec.bmp
I need the following registries:
NCC-1503 U.S.S Repulse
NCC-1515 U.S.S Azoz
NCC-1651 U.S.S Chicago
NCC-1677 U.S.S Manta Ray
NCC-1689? U.S.S Crecy
These are for model variants.. and I kinda suck at putting in lettering on the saucers.
If nobody gets to it quickly, I'll try to get those done this weekend, FS.
Btw, it's USS Azov, and the USS Crecy was never given a number by SVC, so I gave it 1690. And I noticed that you included the Manta Ray (number is correct). You got a plan to make a new fast cruiser?
Post by: FireSoul on April 17, 2004, 12:24:24 pm
Quote:Quote:
I need help with some lettering texture work.. for the following files:
bot.bmp
top2.bmp
fcaC.bmp
ncasec.bmp
I need the following registries:
NCC-1503 U.S.S Repulse
NCC-1515 U.S.S Azoz
NCC-1651 U.S.S Chicago
NCC-1677 U.S.S Manta Ray
NCC-1689? U.S.S Crecy
These are for model variants.. and I kinda suck at putting in lettering on the saucers.
If nobody gets to it quickly, I'll try to get those done this weekend, FS.
Btw, it's USS Azov, and the USS Crecy was never given a number by SVC, so I gave it 1690. And I noticed that you included the Manta Ray (number is correct). You got a plan to make a new fast cruiser?
I have plenty of plans, my fellow modeler.
.. if you start one thing along a scheme, you gotta change them all, right?
Post by: FireSoul on April 17, 2004, 02:13:10 pm
Edit: The FNCA is shown for comparison.
Post by: Age on April 17, 2004, 02:27:46 pm
Post by: FireSoul on April 17, 2004, 02:42:36 pm
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FireSoul I would like to see The Chicago in 3.3 with only 2 warp nacalles aswell as in a Frig.configreration.
Sorry Age.. I am picking and using the Chicago because it matches the SSD's diagram's shape. I don't just like it 'for the sake of it'. I like it because I've been looking for this for a long time.
Post by: Chrystoff on April 17, 2004, 04:55:57 pm
Post by: The_Infiltrator on April 17, 2004, 06:23:29 pm
Post by: wanderer on April 17, 2004, 06:51:18 pm
Quote:Quote:Quote:
I need help with some lettering texture work.. for the following files:
bot.bmp
top2.bmp
fcaC.bmp
ncasec.bmp
I need the following registries:
NCC-1503 U.S.S Repulse
NCC-1515 U.S.S Azoz
NCC-1651 U.S.S Chicago
NCC-1677 U.S.S Manta Ray
NCC-1689? U.S.S Crecy
These are for model variants.. and I kinda suck at putting in lettering on the saucers.
If nobody gets to it quickly, I'll try to get those done this weekend, FS.
Btw, it's USS Azov, and the USS Crecy was never given a number by SVC, so I gave it 1690. And I noticed that you included the Manta Ray (number is correct). You got a plan to make a new fast cruiser?
I have plenty of plans, my fellow modeler.
.. if you start one thing along a scheme, you gotta change them all, right?
Oh, I'm no modeler, FS. I just mess around a little with the textures and taught myself how to do registries in Adobe.
I've done the fcaC and ncasec bmps for all five, working on the others now (since RDSL is down at the moment). Meet me on MSN for transfer? Same as my email.
Post by: FireSoul on April 17, 2004, 09:22:10 pm
-- Luc
Post by: wanderer on April 17, 2004, 09:37:53 pm
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I can't recieve files via MSN due to my own firewall... so we'll have to use something else.
-- Luc
The stuff I've done so far I think I can do a little better, I'm gonna rework them some. I should have all of it done some time tomorrow. ICQ?
Post by: starforce2 on April 17, 2004, 10:41:57 pm
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someone forget how to park? What happened to the poor ship in the middle?
Post by: Dizzy on April 18, 2004, 02:59:04 am
Post by: SSCF_LeRoy on April 18, 2004, 08:11:15 am
Post by: Bernard Guignard on April 18, 2004, 09:04:18 am
check out this link for MIke Rapier's Kitbash of a heavy cruiser to a fast cruiser.
Federation Fast Cruiser
and here's an NCF Mike's style
Fed NCF
Enjoy
Post by: Dizzy on April 18, 2004, 09:15:35 am
Post by: Toasty0 on April 18, 2004, 09:26:18 am
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U c, the angled style saucer makes it more aerodynamic... Thats why it goes faster...
Pu'sha! You know nothing you rookie. That new design is for hanging a sharp left in astroid fields...
Post by: Rogue on April 18, 2004, 10:55:11 am
Post by: Mariner on April 18, 2004, 11:10:37 am
But, I would like it if someone could PLEASE fix the lower sensor dome light mesh and give all nacelles "fins" on both sides, aswell as assigning the port nacelle the fcaC texture. All I'd need is the model, the thextures are already here. If anyone can do this, I would be very thankful.
Post by: Bernard Guignard on April 18, 2004, 01:46:00 pm
on the ssd they run at 18 units of power for the heavy cruisers . the NCF uses 3 x 12 unit engines these engines are typically used on NCLs.
They also save power by using a single photon torpedo bank as opposed to 2 banks that fire 2 torps.
Post by: ModelsPlease on April 18, 2004, 09:21:02 pm
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Well, DD, I like having a big missile launcher on its back. Is this going to be downloadable sometime?
i`ll upload it now give me few mins i`ll post a download link then
DM
Any news on when this version of the ship will be ready for D/L on your site sir ?
Post by: FireSoul on April 18, 2004, 09:52:24 pm
Quote:Quote:
I need help with some lettering texture work.. for the following files:
bot.bmp
top2.bmp
fcaC.bmp
ncasec.bmp
I need the following registries:
NCC-1503 U.S.S Repulse
NCC-1515 U.S.S Azoz
NCC-1651 U.S.S Chicago
NCC-1677 U.S.S Manta Ray
NCC-1689? U.S.S Crecy
These are for model variants.. and I kinda suck at putting in lettering on the saucers.
If nobody gets to it quickly, I'll try to get those done this weekend, FS.
Btw, it's USS Azov, and the USS Crecy was never given a number by SVC, so I gave it 1690. And I noticed that you included the Manta Ray (number is correct). You got a plan to make a new fast cruiser?
... and here's a very strong hint (WIP) why I named the Azov and the Crecy..
Take your time, wanderer.. your help is appreciated.
-- Luc
Post by: starforce2 on April 19, 2004, 06:20:42 am
Post by: Rod O'neal on April 19, 2004, 11:07:13 am
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exactly how many variants do we have now? lol
You might want to include Rogue NineCH's USS San Jose Kearsarge kitbash as well to the list.
Post by: DH123 on April 19, 2004, 01:16:57 pm
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... and here's a very strong hint (WIP) why I named the Azov and the Crecy..
Take your time, wanderer.. your help is appreciated.
-- Luc
Hmmmm, thems looks like drone racks to me . . .
I have a confession to make. I fly Federation because of the ship models. Does that make me a schmuck?
Post by: FireSoul on April 19, 2004, 02:33:01 pm
"duh."
-- Luc
Post by: starforce2 on April 19, 2004, 11:43:18 pm
Post by: sandman69247 on April 21, 2004, 08:40:56 pm
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it's either that or the fact he has an andorian smokeing what looks like a crack pipe as an avatar
Nah, not a crack pipe...a big FAT BLUNT!!!