Post by: Sandman3D on April 30, 2004, 02:13:22 pm
If WZ decides to do it, we can rename mine to something else, but for now, she's the Titan. Azel and Ol Buzzard have seen these pics and given the go ahead, so here is a peek at what I have so far. I'm not too good with TNG/post-TNG stuff yet, so it's gonna take awhile to get her done. These pics were taken after 3 hours of work. Saucer only, but... 
Let me know what you think.
Post by: Tus on April 30, 2004, 02:55:21 pm
Post by: WickedZombie45 on April 30, 2004, 03:09:53 pm
Post by: Rat_Boy on April 30, 2004, 03:12:09 pm
Post by: olbuzzard on April 30, 2004, 03:13:47 pm
as for the work itself... CRANK IT UP BUD !!!
Post by: Sandman3D on April 30, 2004, 04:45:36 pm
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Actually I wanted to build it, but I lack the time and commitment for the thing so go ahead and build 'er. So far, she looks as good as anything I could produce anyway.
I'm honored you think so, oh un-dead one!
You'll probably notice subtle, and not so subtle changes being made, as I confer with Azel and Ol Buzzard on this project. That's one of the great things about having the designer on-site...you can ask what something is supposed to look like, rather than just interpreting a line here, a circle there, etc. Hopefully, when she's all finished, she will really stand out as the "Next" big thing.
I'll have more later, waiting Azel to say yay or nay on an alteration he noticed needed doing.
Post by: Spartan on April 30, 2004, 05:35:16 pm
Post by: ModelsPlease on April 30, 2004, 05:52:24 pm
-MP
Post by: Azel on April 30, 2004, 06:29:16 pm
Hey Spartan
I want that DN you have in your sig...the Huron is it
Can you send her to me mate???
Odontotyrannus@aol.com
Post by: Sandman3D on April 30, 2004, 07:00:53 pm
Post by: Spartan on April 30, 2004, 07:06:58 pm
. I do a little kitbashing for my own game here and there and was thinking of playing with the engines on it. It was the only dred I have ever enjoyed playing. I am a die-hard battlecruiser player but this one caught my eye
Post by: ModelsPlease on April 30, 2004, 07:09:46 pm
Enjoy
-MP
Post by: Azel on April 30, 2004, 07:13:07 pm
Post by: Rod O'neal on April 30, 2004, 07:27:36 pm
Post by: DarkScream on May 01, 2004, 03:43:12 am
Post by: Azel on May 01, 2004, 09:24:32 am
Post by: Sandman3D on May 01, 2004, 11:09:19 am
Ol Buzzard sent me a pic with some suggestions, good ones, so I'll be doing those tweaks, then starting on the 2ndary hull/neck...tried for a few hours to get that looking right, but...Oh well, more learning to do.
More pics hopefully this afternoon.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 01, 2004, 12:28:58 pm
Post by: ModelsPlease on May 01, 2004, 07:13:30 pm
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take your time sir ... there is no substitute for excellence .... and if there are other "tweaks".... so be it.. I appreciate the cooperative attitude everyone has had ... this is great !!
I agree completely,please do not rush this.Yes we may be anxious to say the least,but take your time.The whole Titan experience has been great and so is this.It's all part of the process.Even the waiting (ugh
). Hmmmm........I know better to ask but I will anyway........Hey Azel,do you have a captains yacht or a shuttle envisioned for the Titan ? Hehehehe this oughta be good.
-MP
Post by: Azel on May 01, 2004, 08:25:38 pm
the Connie, Excelsior, Ambassadors don't got them then I don't put them on lol
but I'll see what I can do
Post by: Sandman3D on May 02, 2004, 09:16:09 am
Had a pretty good one going, but then...BAM, power went out...lost 2 hours of work. Worst of all, been working on it for hours, can't get it to look as good as that 1st one. Oh well, this how you learn and get better. Maybe later I'll post pics of the hulls I have made...6 so far. Might be a good learning tool for someone to see the progress.
Post by: Sandman3D on May 02, 2004, 10:58:34 am
Any suggestions appreciated, especially from modelers (max users ).
Post by: Reverend on May 02, 2004, 01:25:10 pm
fits it just dandy
I'm not a modeler, but the sizing seems true
Post by: Sandman3D on May 03, 2004, 12:06:02 pm
Post by: olbuzzard on May 03, 2004, 12:22:29 pm
Post by: Sandman3D on May 03, 2004, 01:37:13 pm
Post by: olbuzzard on May 03, 2004, 03:15:20 pm
most excellent bud !!!
Post by: Sandman3D on May 04, 2004, 12:26:02 am
Seriously, that was the one thing making me anxious about it. 
But, now it should go much smoother. After all, 2 days on the 2ndary hull, when I usually only need a few hours to do a mesh, I learned alot...mainly patience. 
Post by: Sandman3D on May 04, 2004, 09:01:00 am
Post by: olbuzzard on May 04, 2004, 09:08:15 am
thanks
Post by: Azel on May 04, 2004, 04:48:33 pm
but I think that you are off in your proportions of the ship....
If you can wait I'll try and draw up a simple bow elevation within the next 2 days, so you can see whats going on
If you want that is
Amazing work as usual mate
PS sorry for not getting back sooner...I have been really busy as of late
Post by: Sandman3D on May 04, 2004, 08:01:05 pm
I should be able to resize without too much trouble. Now I know how to build it.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 04, 2004, 09:35:10 pm
Post by: olbuzzard on May 04, 2004, 10:55:16 pm
Post by: Reverend on May 04, 2004, 10:59:21 pm
Post by: Core on May 05, 2004, 03:45:03 am
Post by: Sandman3D on May 05, 2004, 08:54:43 am
That's one of the nice things about going 3d with this, seeing how it all looks, if it works together etc. Let me know if the basic shape is good, and I'll get the proportions worked out.
Post by: ModelsPlease on May 05, 2004, 09:48:54 am
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OK, here's a look at the way it turned out with WZ suggestion...looks pretty good to me, IMHO.
The neck attaches to far forward to the bottom of the saucer in the WIP.If you compare it to the side view in this pic.....
The front of the neck to lower saucer attachment ends at the side channel on the saucer.Your's extends almost even to where the bridge section is on the upper hull Sandman sir,and the angle looks wrong on the front of the neck as it slopes toward the deflector area.But I don't know enough about modeling so I'm not sure if you intended to reshape or adjust that Sandman sir,I just wanted to point that out.Just trying to help.Keep up the great work !!!!
-MP
Post by: olbuzzard on May 05, 2004, 10:05:46 am
a lot of RL stuff going on besides all this.... Azel..... if you get the chance to do the front sketches .. PLEASE do.
thanks
Post by: Sandman3D on May 05, 2004, 04:45:38 pm
The neck attaches to far forward to the bottom of the saucer in the WIP.If you compare it to the side view in this pic.....
The front of the neck to lower saucer attachment ends at the side channel on the saucer.Your's extends almost even to where the bridge section is on the upper hull Sandman sir,and the angle looks wrong on the front of the neck as it slopes toward the deflector area.But I don't know enough about modeling so I'm not sure if you intended to reshape or adjust that Sandman sir,I just wanted to point that out.Just trying to help.Keep up the great work !!!!
-MP
OK, maybe the confusion comes from 2 minds working on this...the side view I'm working off of is the one Azel did, see it in the thread (USS Titan as envisioned by Ol Buzzard), and that has the neck where I have it...granted the angles are too steep in the wip, but that is the one I've been using.
Azel, Ol Buzzard, please get together and decide which it is to be, then let me know/send me the correct diagram.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 05, 2004, 06:08:59 pm
1. I can see where you would think that is the case. The one thing that is a bit different is the over all "lower profile" the primary hull has. If you notice the over aal thickness is changed too. Also the Primary hull is "larger" as well. We wanted to get away from simply reproducing another "Sovy" with a little diferent bridge design. From the side ... the primary hull has to be proportionately larger with the neck area .... other wise it looks some what dwarfed .
2. The line that is there (but almost invisible) tapers with a very narrow curve ... so much so that from the side view it almost disapears.
3. Also I got to looking closer at the Back end of the secondary hull. The underside should be shaped differently, not cylinder shaped ...
4. I did reshape the primary hull as follows from the origonal sketch ... again it was because it was never my intent to recreate another "Sovy".
a. Wider presentation of the same primary hull ( simply stated it was "sreatched" .... just a bit )
b. Lower profile of primary hull: this helped with overall proportions ... helped to lean a little toward a newer hull.
c. slightly longer presentation of primary hull ... again the overall presentation of the this section was enlarged.... result was a different profile than that of the Soverign.
Also it should be noted that the nacelles are longer in the final picts ( top and side views ) . The above reviews are the ones I would really like seen followed if it is at all possible.
Thanks
Post by: Sandman3D on May 05, 2004, 11:19:11 pm
Like you've said, it's great to have the community effort in this, so please let me know when I deviate from the plan. We want this baby to shine!!
Post by: olbuzzard on May 06, 2004, 07:33:26 am
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OK...I already started re-doing the primary...the canals are more rounded, as you suggested, and I made it wider...just not as wide as you have it. That can be fixed. As for the 2ndary, what you see is just showing the attempt for the neck area...that has been my concern, more than the 2ndary itself. If we're going with your altered side view, that will make it a lot simpler. Azels shows it curving and flowing in like on the Sov, where as yours shows it more direct into the primary, with the, I assume, sensor pod on a seperate platform. That's much easier than the whole connected look.
Like you've said, it's great to have the community effort in this, so please let me know when I deviate from the plan. We want this baby to shine!!
I agree.. this may take a while ... but that's ok ... As for the neck... again it really does extend as one piece to the toro launcher as one piece. If there ia any way I can find some free time to sketch .. or add to the current side view ( perhaps do a little photoshop work in color ) to better illustrate I will tonight. A lot of it has to do with the "profile" where the lines almost disapear when reviewed as a black and white drawing.
BTW... I really appreciated your good attitude in working with us on this. Your paitence is commendable !!
thank you sir !!
Post by: Sandman3D on May 06, 2004, 09:00:08 am
Now, where's Azel with that dang front view.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 06, 2004, 09:56:51 am
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Well, you have to be patient, this is a whole new ship, so have to work the kinks out as we go.
TEAM WORK SIR !!!!!
YEAH !! THAT'S COOL !!!!
Post by: Core on May 06, 2004, 09:57:20 am
Post by: ModelsPlease on May 06, 2004, 04:55:22 pm
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Well, you have to be patient, this is a whole new ship, so have to work the kinks out as we go.
I'm patient
, very patient , yes sir that's me Mr. Patience .There's no hurry 
, I can wait 
, yup no problemo 
.No biggie ................Well ??????? 
GIMMIE
GIMMIE GIMMIE J/K
This is going to be an epic ship.And it's been a ton o fun all during the process.Now where's Azel's front view, I have no doubt it will be another masterpiece.
-MP
Post by: olbuzzard on May 06, 2004, 05:01:38 pm
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Well, you have to be patient, this is a whole new ship, so have to work the kinks out as we go.
I'm patient
GIMMIE
Post by: Core on May 06, 2004, 05:03:06 pm
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probubly duing it right now
Post by: Sandman3D on May 06, 2004, 09:17:25 pm
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probubly duing it right now
Seeing Azels post, I guess we'll have to figure this out ourselves...give hime something to look forward to when he returns.
Post by: ModelsPlease on May 07, 2004, 11:28:00 am
Post by: Sandman3D on May 08, 2004, 09:46:01 am
I really don't think he wants everything put on hold until he comes back...with his situation it could be awhile, taking care of family and all. Don't worry, Ol Buzz seems to think along the same lines as Azel, so it should work out ok.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 08, 2004, 05:36:10 pm
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Azel will have the final say on release, but as it is Ol Buzzards design that Azel polished up, we're gonna go ahead and get it done/almost done, so he can come back and see a purty ship.
well said sir .. well said !!
Post by: ModelsPlease on May 08, 2004, 10:00:46 pm
Post by: Sandman3D on May 08, 2004, 10:50:00 pm
OK, here's a look at the progress so far...remember, this is a very rough wip; it's probably gonna change as I get more feedback from Ol Buzzard. As you can see, I've continued to refine the shape, more will be done as I get directions from Buzz. She really comes alive as I do this, she's gonna be great when done...thanx in no small part to all the feedback from ya'll.
Post by: Reverend on May 09, 2004, 12:21:50 am
Post by: olbuzzard on May 09, 2004, 08:00:13 am
Thanks once again for all of your time and efforts on this project.
Post by: Sandman3D on May 09, 2004, 10:59:48 am
Post by: Kaenyne on May 10, 2004, 08:54:33 am
Post by: Sandman3D on May 11, 2004, 01:14:41 am
I'd like to thank you all for allowing me to take my time with this.
Alot of this is a learing experience for me...I've always tried to stay away from most TNG/post-TNG designs because they were too hard to do, but I just couldn't stop thinking about this beauty. Thanx again, and keep an eye out for more news/pics.
Post by: Kaenyne on May 11, 2004, 08:33:59 am
Post by: Sandman3D on May 12, 2004, 07:12:21 pm
As she stands now, she comes in at 3636 polies, and just so you know how much I've been working on it, these are pics of the 9th attempt...Buzz hasn't even seen all of 'em. 
Post by: Ryker on May 12, 2004, 07:53:32 pm
She's beautiful.
As soon as she's got legs, and wearing clothes, she'll be as close to perfection as, I think any starship model Ive seen for a LONG time, and playing SFC3 mods a lot, you can imagine thats a lot of ships.
Sorry guys, Ive got to go clean the drool of this keyboard now...
Post by: Azel on May 12, 2004, 08:06:09 pm
Ok the only things I would change is the thickness of the pylons
they should be thinner about half that
and should be thinner in length(front to back)
Post by: olbuzzard on May 12, 2004, 08:42:13 pm
Let me crank up the ol' photoshp bubba !! I'll have the requested info you need before I go to bed !!! I hope this makes Nanners mod ... Hmmmm I should be able to persuade my son to put a little something in there for the "community" ...
...... ok ... I'm lieing !! I PERSONALLY want this one in there !!
SANDMAN... CRANK UP THE HEAT BUD !!! SMOKE IT !! YOU can do it !!!
Post by: Rat_Boy on May 12, 2004, 09:23:02 pm
Post by: Sandman3D on May 13, 2004, 08:35:48 am
Now, see what can happen when we work together, rather than sniping at each other. Now wait til you see her with some paint, he he he ....
Post by: olbuzzard on May 13, 2004, 09:10:17 am
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Thanx guys!!
AMEN !!!
Post by: Reverend on May 13, 2004, 10:38:53 am
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Thanx guys!!
AMEN !!!
Ditto!!!
Post by: Sandman3D on May 14, 2004, 08:40:26 am
Even if it was on a lucky shot with 0.4 on the game clock. Oh, and the SHARKS beat Calgary.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 14, 2004, 08:49:54 am
Post by: Sandman3D on May 14, 2004, 08:54:49 am
Stuperstition? Nah...just not gonna wash my Lakers jersey til after the finals when they win...hasn't been washed sinced before they won the 1st game in L.A., now they've won 3 straight so....
Post by: olbuzzard on May 14, 2004, 09:05:41 am
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OH HELL YEAH!!!
Stuperstition? Nah...just not gonna wash my Lakers jersey til after the finals when they win...hasn't been washed sinced before they won the 1st game in L.A., now they've won 3 straight so....
JUST KIDDING...
I will look forward to you progress with anticipation this evening.
Post by: ModelsPlease on May 16, 2004, 07:07:41 am
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Post by: Azel on May 16, 2004, 08:30:38 am
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HI all just got back from RL issues,Sandman sir it looks phenominal.OMG what a ship !!!!!!!!
Aye
Need more pics
Post by: Sandman3D on May 16, 2004, 12:19:15 pm
That should do it for the meshing...then the dreaded texturing starts. We're getting there, just taking a little while, what with work and having to figure this thing out as we go.
Post by: Sandman3D on May 17, 2004, 01:19:17 pm
Post by: olbuzzard on May 17, 2004, 01:38:34 pm
1. Azel your in put please !
2. MP ... if you are where you can access the rignt data and would not mind doing so .. (I'm at work again !!! ) .. check up on the appropriate Regis. number the USS TITAN.
Looking GREAT !!
Post by: Ryker on May 17, 2004, 03:34:34 pm
NCC-78398
Just ran it through Google- sounds like a good number.
Post by: Sandman3D on May 17, 2004, 06:26:28 pm
Post by: Komodo on May 17, 2004, 07:21:47 pm
Can't wait to see 'er with her clothes on!
Post by: Azel on May 17, 2004, 07:26:44 pm
but compare her pylons to the pic and the width of the saucer
those 2 details(in scaling) are the only real modification to the mesh
Awesome work thus far Mate
Post by: ModelsPlease on May 18, 2004, 04:17:00 am
Commence the voting,but please check out the sites as well,there's some cool stuff on them.
-MP
Post by: olbuzzard on May 18, 2004, 07:29:09 am
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it's not a toss-up between the 78164 and 52004 ... either way is totaly fine by me. BTW... thanks for such an honored rememberance. If the vote goes for the 78164 number ( for the purpose of keeping it cannon ) ... hey that's super !!!
agan ... great idea MP ..!!!
Post by: Sandman3D on May 18, 2004, 08:36:22 am
Stay tuned for more updates...
Post by: olbuzzard on May 18, 2004, 08:53:21 am
Post by: Sandman3D on May 18, 2004, 09:21:50 am
Here's a storyline to explain the design...
As things progressed with the design of the Sov, Starfleet realised it was time to start designing the next class that would have the name Enterprise. But, due to the untimely loss of the Ent.D, Starfleet was forced to use the newly completed Sov. design.
This can kinda explain the differences from the Sov and the more traditional look to the Titan, i.e. with the neck and all. What ya think? Please feel free to embelish the story.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 18, 2004, 09:37:00 am
I'll send a PM to Rat Boy in the CIC as well ... ( he does a lot of historical documentation ) ...
MP ... I remember from a post that you did you are into this too.
BTW ... anyone else who can research this and see how this fits in would be most helpful.
Also .. I'm goint to start working on the "credits" for this master piece !!
thanks guys !!
Post by: Rat_Boy on May 18, 2004, 10:25:13 am
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So far, looks like it's gonna be 52004, which is a little low for the period, but hey, it's not a canon ship, so who needs a canon reg?
I heard somewhere that converting birth years to the Hebrew calendar gets reg numbers in the proper range, which is 80000 and above.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 18, 2004, 11:46:13 am
MP ... what do ya think sir. It's obvious from your survey that the 52004 has significance. Would it be taking away from your work to go with 75204 ?
Post by: ModelsPlease on May 18, 2004, 12:23:33 pm
-MP
Post by: ModelsPlease on May 18, 2004, 12:37:57 pm
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so you are suggesting 82004 ?? .....HMMM 85204 ..... ah ... how about 75204
MP ... what do ya think sir. It's obvious from your survey that the 52004 has significance. Would it be taking away from your work to go with 75204 ?
Honestly I have to say yes I think it would take away from the work,those 2 regestries are way too high,especially considering her hybrid appearance. I never considered that till Sandman mentioned it. Both 82004 and 75204 would place our Titan's developement at 2370 or beyond (canon wise) not that far a stretch but why stretch if we don't need to. I think my previous post pretty much covers everything .Gimme a few hours of sleep and I'll give everyone a history on our Titan, to legitamize her place in Trek lore .
-MP
P.S. Please vote choice #6
(shameless plug)
Post by: olbuzzard on May 18, 2004, 12:50:22 pm
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so you are suggesting 82004 ?? .....HMMM 85204 ..... ah ... how about 75204
MP ... what do ya think sir. It's obvious from your survey that the 52004 has significance. Would it be taking away from your work to go with 75204 ?
Honestly I have to say yes I think it would take away from the work,those 2 regestries are way too high,especially considering her hybrid appearance. I never considered that till Sandman mentioned it. Both 82004 and 75204 would place our Titan's developement at 2370 or beyond (canon wise) not that far a stretch but why stretch if we don't need to. I think my previous post pretty much covers everything .Gimme a few hours of sleep and I'll give everyone a history on our Titan, to legitamize her place in Trek lore .
-MP
P.S. Please vote choice #6
OK bud.... sounds fair enough. Come up wit a legit story that puts its development after the Dominion War ... which gives here the awsome power and fighting capability worth of the name "TITAN" ... and you got your self a registry to go with it !!
I place this in your capable hands.
If someone else has additional intel that would seroiusly contradict this .. please post for review.
If not ...... Run with it MP .... ( BTW... its historical data and reserach sould be mentioned in the credits as well)
Post by: red_green on May 18, 2004, 01:48:13 pm
The mesh is looking fantastic!
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 18, 2004, 02:17:47 pm
Post by: olbuzzard on May 18, 2004, 02:43:17 pm
The main thing is to get the registry correct.
Once it is done we will write up the memo in the credits as "Historical Review Committee" ... or person. Later this evening I will also review. (I'm at work on average of 11 to 12 hours a day M-F ... soooooo this helps me out tremendously)
Post by: Rat_Boy on May 18, 2004, 03:11:02 pm
NX-76452
That's today's month and year converted from the Gregorian calendar into the 2nd Hebrew month of the year 5764, with the numbers slightly rearragned to make it fit in with the established trek numbering system.
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 18, 2004, 04:31:24 pm
Post by: Rat_Boy on May 18, 2004, 04:43:07 pm
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I agree with Rat Boy here that reg works perfectly althhough the idea of a reg that tributes Azel's great grandfather and and MP'S Aunt is a excellent idea perhaps if anyone has time they could make reg and name textures tributing these great ppeoples lives and the anniversary of Ol'Buzzards wedding (its just an idea i know how much work will have to go into this and if it wasnt for my been on the fritz i would offer my servises to do so)
It does both, since the numbers are a conversion of May, 2004.
Post by: Azel on May 18, 2004, 06:09:06 pm
as for the registry...I would rather you not involve my great grandfather
I really do appreciate the sentiment(thanks mates)...but I would prefer you would drop it
In favor of a more canon reg.
Post by: Rat_Boy on May 18, 2004, 06:17:57 pm
Post by: olbuzzard on May 18, 2004, 06:24:21 pm
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as for the registry...I would rather you not involve my great grandfather
I really do appreciate the sentiment(thanks mates)...but I would prefer you would drop it
In favor of a more canon reg.
So let it be written ..... so let it be done !
MP ... you, Rat Boy and the others continue in light of his request.
Respectfully Azel .... I really would prefer to have the wider Primary hull. It's not too much wider ... but it does get away form the Sovy hull and give us a new ship design. Your design for the textures brought the idea to life and are priceless.
thanks
Post by: Rat_Boy on May 18, 2004, 06:41:35 pm
Post by: Azel on May 18, 2004, 07:01:58 pm
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as for the registry...I would rather you not involve my great grandfather
I really do appreciate the sentiment(thanks mates)...but I would prefer you would drop it
In favor of a more canon reg.
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So let it be written ..... so let it be done !
MP ... you, Rat Boy and the others continue in light of his request.
Respectfully Azel .... I really would prefer to have the wider Primary hull. It's not too much wider ... but it does get away form the Sovy hull and give us a new ship design. Your design for the textures brought the idea to life and are priceless.
thanks
she's your ship mate
Post by: olbuzzard on May 18, 2004, 07:05:08 pm
Ya know RB... this entire project has been such a pleasure to watch it grow. And I have appreciated all of the input we have seen. Everyone has been so good about this project.
There has to be a way to get the best of what you and MP are doing with the registry.
also I think ther was someone named Fallen Warrior who posted something too. Please review his point on this.
Time wise, as far as the historical value of Trek is concerned it would almost HAVE to be after the Dominion Wars .. anything on the board for development ( so to speak) would have more than likely advanced to production... or at the very least anything that was near the develeopment stage place into production. So my only personal input is that the number would have to co-inside with releases AFTER the war. It does stand to reason that the concept of the ship could have been under consideration and even plans began for her drawn up. At any rate ... that's just my theory.
I hope this helps.
again thanks to everyone !
Post by: Rat_Boy on May 18, 2004, 07:14:31 pm
NX-81612
That's the year (1981), month (June) and day (12) that the film Clash of the Titans was released. Nice and neutral, plus it ties in with the ship, sort of.
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 18, 2004, 09:46:27 pm
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I respectfully decline.
Ya know RB... this entire project has been such a pleasure to watch it grow. And I have appreciated all of the input we have seen. Everyone has been so good about this project.
There has to be a way to get the best of what you and MP are doing with the registry.
also I think ther was someone named Fallen Warrior who posted something too. Please review his point on this.
Time wise, as far as the historical value of Trek is concerned it would almost HAVE to be after the Dominion Wars .. anything on the board for development ( so to speak) would have more than likely advanced to production... or at the very least anything that was near the develeopment stage place into production. So my only personal input is that the number would have to co-inside with releases AFTER the war. It does stand to reason that the concept of the ship could have been under consideration and even plans began for her drawn up. At any rate ... that's just my theory.
I hope this helps.
again thanks to everyone !
Thanx dude i know i havent been a member of the forum for that long but i love to see great ships like this go though R&D and if i can help in any way just ask
perhaps the history could go along these lines :
The Titan Class commissioned 2378
After the dominion war ended Starfleet needed to rebuild the fleet so they commisioned a board of top specalists and came up with the design that would later become the Titan Built to compliment the Victory and Excalibur Classes and completly replace the Galaxy Class as an exploration and defence vessal using the latest technology that star fleet had at time of production this ship is the most well suited ship Starfleet has designed since the Constilation Class almost 120 years ago
Post by: olbuzzard on May 18, 2004, 10:11:37 pm
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as for the registry...I would rather you not involve my great grandfather
I really do appreciate the sentiment(thanks mates)...but I would prefer you would drop it
In favor of a more canon reg.
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So let it be written ..... so let it be done !
MP ... you, Rat Boy and the others continue in light of his request.
Respectfully Azel .... I really would prefer to have the wider Primary hull. It's not too much wider ... but it does get away form the Sovy hull and give us a new ship design. Your design for the textures brought the idea to life and are priceless.
thanks
she's your ship mate
I just got home a few minutes ago... I just got to where I can review this. Thank you Azel. though I must correct one tiny thing ... she's OUR ship !!
thanks guys !
Post by: olbuzzard on May 18, 2004, 10:18:35 pm
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I respectfully decline.
Ya know RB... this entire project has been such a pleasure to watch it grow. And I have appreciated all of the input we have seen. Everyone has been so good about this project.
There has to be a way to get the best of what you and MP are doing with the registry.
also I think ther was someone named Fallen Warrior who posted something too. Please review his point on this.
Time wise, as far as the historical value of Trek is concerned it would almost HAVE to be after the Dominion Wars .. anything on the board for development ( so to speak) would have more than likely advanced to production... or at the very least anything that was near the develeopment stage place into production. So my only personal input is that the number would have to co-inside with releases AFTER the war. It does stand to reason that the concept of the ship could have been under consideration and even plans began for her drawn up. At any rate ... that's just my theory.
I hope this helps.
again thanks to everyone !
Thanx dude i know i havent been a member of the forum for that long but i love to see great ships like this go though R&D and if i can help in any way just ask
perhaps the history could go along these lines :
The Titan Class commissioned 2378
After the dominion war ended Starfleet needed to rebuild the fleet so they commisioned a board of top specalists and came up with the design that would later become the Titan Built to compliment the Victory and Excalibur Classes and completly replace the Galaxy Class as an exploration and defence vessal using the latest technology that star fleet had at time of production this ship is the most well suited ship Starfleet has designed since the Constilation Class almost 120 years ago
Okie. That seems to work with the general flow of things... R/B work with MP and tie all of this up.. It's starting to come togeather.
thanks again guys !
Post by: ModelsPlease on May 18, 2004, 10:19:00 pm
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Okay, try this on as a registry:
NX-76452
That's today's month and year converted from the Gregorian calendar into the 2nd Hebrew month of the year 5764, with the numbers slightly rearragned to make it fit in with the established trek numbering system.
This works fine by me,my only thing is instead of Nx it should it not be NCC, I'm pretty sure this is not the Proto-type ship. As I stated earlier I have 2 stories for the Titan design.Once we have all agreed on registry,which at this point looks to me like 76452 , I'll post the history most suited to it for everyone to embelish on,then we can include it alongside the Read Me in the file folder.
-MP
Post by: Rat_Boy on May 18, 2004, 10:39:50 pm
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This works fine by me,my only thing is instead of Nx it should it not be NCC, I'm pretty sure this is not the Proto-type ship.
Well, I suppose you're right there. Outside of the Defiant, no "hero" ship in Trekdom has ever been the class ship. I nominate calling this ship the Atlas-class to fit in with the naming scheme.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 18, 2004, 10:55:07 pm
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Okay, try this on as a registry:
NX-76452
That's today's month and year converted from the Gregorian calendar into the 2nd Hebrew month of the year 5764, with the numbers slightly rearragned to make it fit in with the established trek numbering system.
This works fine by me,my only thing is instead of Nx it should it not be NCC, I'm pretty sure this is not the Proto-type ship. As I stated earlier I have 2 stories for the Titan design.Once we have all agreed on registry,which at this point looks to me like 76452 , I'll post the history most suited to it for everyone to embelish on,then we can include it alongside the Read Me in the file folder.
-MP
I agree .. verry well sir, "NCC-76452" make it so MP.. Proceede as outlined and be sure to coodinate with some of the data presented by Fallen Warrior as well.
As for Atlas class ... hmmm not so sure there bud... let me do some research there. Everything else looks great though.
BTW.. guys I am going to have to restrick the amount of time I pop in here during the day. I kinda got carried away to day. I can still jum in at lunch and that sort of thing ... but frankly its better for me to break the habbit now rather than to get hooked on this during work hours !!
Keep up the great work guys !! Great team work !!
Post by: Azel on May 19, 2004, 11:25:36 am
Like Atlas, Cronos, Prometheus, etc
Post by: Rat_Boy on May 19, 2004, 11:28:39 am
Post by: olbuzzard on May 19, 2004, 11:58:51 am
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I say titan class...so that the rest of the ships could have titan names
Like Atlas, Cronos, Prometheus, etc
agreed..... So let it be written... so let be done !!
Post by: Sandman3D on May 19, 2004, 12:09:56 pm
Post by: olbuzzard on May 19, 2004, 12:29:26 pm
crank it up bud !! WOO HOO great wa yfor me to end my lunch break !!! perfect timming sir !!
Post by: Kaenyne on May 19, 2004, 12:57:26 pm
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 19, 2004, 01:13:09 pm
its looking everytime i see the next construction stage. But i found something that might seem like a Hypo-spanner in the dilitium matrix there is already a Titan Class i belive it belongs to Wicked Zombie if memory serves i just hope im wrong if on the slight chance im right pehaps the class name could be changed to either Zeus or Jupiter Class that way you can still use names of greek and roman gods for each ship contructedAs for the N.C.C if you remember the excelceior was an NX but was later changed to N.C.Csame with the Defiant so its all up to personal prefrence but i like N.C.C better shows its gone though it trials and has given shown its worth.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 19, 2004, 01:50:26 pm
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As for the N.C.C if you remember the excelceior was an NX but was later changed to N.C.Csame with the Defiant so its all up to personal prefrence but i like N.C.C better shows its gone though it trials and has given shown its worth.
GREAT observation sir ... good call !! That would even fit the time line of construction as a result of the Dominion wars better... and would place the time of her release at or about the time of the "Nemesis" incodent. Excellent !!
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 19, 2004, 04:05:59 pm
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As for the N.C.C if you remember the excelceior was an NX but was later changed to N.C.Csame with the Defiant so its all up to personal prefrence but i like N.C.C better shows its gone though it trials and has given shown its worth.
GREAT observation sir ... good call !! That would even fit the time line of construction as a result of the Dominion wars better... and would place the time of her release at or about the time of the "Nemesis" incodent. Excellent !!
Thanx it only clicked recently after i had reread the whole thread.
but i am a little conserned with the class name What with Wiked Zombies Titan at http://www.nightsoftware.com/omega/drs (would this cause a problem with the naming of the class or could we say its a refit or something along those lines)
The only thing i can thing of is perhaps the Bottle of Picard '43 should be used at her commissionaning
Post by: olbuzzard on May 19, 2004, 04:14:07 pm
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As for the N.C.C if you remember the excelceior was an NX but was later changed to N.C.Csame with the Defiant so its all up to personal prefrence but i like N.C.C better shows its gone though it trials and has given shown its worth.
GREAT observation sir ... good call !! That would even fit the time line of construction as a result of the Dominion wars better... and would place the time of her release at or about the time of the "Nemesis" incodent. Excellent !!
Thanx it only clicked recently after i had reread the whole thread.
but i am a little conserned with the class name What with Wiked Zombies Titan at http://www.nightsoftware.com/omega/drs (would this cause a problem with the naming of the class or could we say its a refit or something along those lines)
The only thing i can thing of is perhaps the Bottle of Picard '43 should be used at her commissionaning
Point well taken .. Azel was in on that development too.
Ok guys ... how do we handle this?? We realize this is simply another version or interpritation of a ship that for the most part has not been "officially released" .....Everything is progressing nicely. Azel you and WZ are our friends here .. we really want to do this by the book...
IN PUT PLEASE
thanks guys !!
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As for the N.C.C if you remember the excelceior was an NX but was later changed to N.C.Csame with the Defiant so its all up to personal prefrence but i like N.C.C better shows its gone though it trials and has given shown its worth.
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GREAT observation sir ... good call !! That would even fit the time line of construction as a result of the Dominion wars better... and would place the time of her release at or about the time of the "Nemesis" incodent. Excellent !!
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Thanx it only clicked recently after i had reread the whole thread.
but i am a little conserned with the class name What with Wiked Zombies Titan at http://www.nightsoftware.com/omega/drs (would this cause a problem with the naming of the class or could we say its a refit or something along those lines)
The only thing i can thing of is perhaps the Bottle of Picard '43 should be used at her commissionaning
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Point well taken .. Azel was in on that development too.
Ok guys ... how do we handle this?? We realize this is simply another version or interpritation of a ship that for the most part has not been "officially released" .....Everything is progressing nicely. Azel you and WZ are our friends here .. we really want to do this by the book...
IN PUT PLEASE
thanks guys !!
Just another interpretation of her
Just refer her as the WZ-Azel Titan vs the Forum Titan or SOA Titan
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As for the N.C.C if you remember the excelceior was an NX but was later changed to N.C.Csame with the Defiant so its all up to personal prefrence but i like N.C.C better shows its gone though it trials and has given shown its worth.
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GREAT observation sir ... good call !! That would even fit the time line of construction as a result of the Dominion wars better... and would place the time of her release at or about the time of the "Nemesis" incodent. Excellent !!
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Thanx it only clicked recently after i had reread the whole thread.
but i am a little conserned with the class name What with Wiked Zombies Titan at http://www.nightsoftware.com/omega/drs (would this cause a problem with the naming of the class or could we say its a refit or something along those lines)
The only thing i can thing of is perhaps the Bottle of Picard '43 should be used at her commissionaning
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Point well taken .. Azel was in on that development too.
Ok guys ... how do we handle this?? We realize this is simply another version or interpritation of a ship that for the most part has not been "officially released" .....Everything is progressing nicely. Azel you and WZ are our friends here .. we really want to do this by the book...
IN PUT PLEASE
thanks guys !!
Just another interpretation of her
Just refer her as the WZ-Azel Titan vs the Forum Titan or SOA Titan
Very well sir... S.O.A. development team "Titan" it shall be.
Thanks Azel...
Post by: Azel on May 19, 2004, 06:47:36 pm
Post by: 1017recon on May 20, 2004, 01:41:22 am
Post by: ModelsPlease on May 20, 2004, 06:17:33 am
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I say titan class...so that the rest of the ships could have titan names
Like Atlas, Cronos, Prometheus, etc
agreed..... So let it be written... so let be done !!
I'll third that.
So we have .......
Federation Titan Class Advanced Detterance Dreadnaught USS TITAN NCC-76452
In 2365 construction began on the Sovereign Class starship and soon after Starfleet realized it's need for a TRUE Dreadnaught to compliment the Sovereign so in 2368 Utopia Planitia begins construction of the Titan Class . Over the course of the next several years,the Titan Class goes through several revisions due to flaws discovered in the Galaxy Class design,and with lessons learned during Starfleets battle with the Borg in 2373,and the Dominion War.In 2375 after the Enterprise's Briar Patch incident Starfleet orders a new narcelle design to be fitted for the Titan.In 2376 the Nx Titan begins her preliminary shakedown trials.In 2377 the Titan recieves her final revisions after being refitted with technologies recently returned with the starship Voyager.And in 2378 the newly christened USS TITAN NCC-76452 is launched with Captain William Riker in command.
Short,simple,and canon.
-MP
And for the curious........a complete list of all the Titans.......
Titans
P.S.
Wesley Crusher and Ensign Ro are to join Riker on the Titan.And Worf even though it wasn't stated is now first officer on the Ent E.Read about this and other facts here..........
www.tvtome.com
Post by: olbuzzard on May 20, 2004, 07:41:15 am
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I say titan class...so that the rest of the ships could have titan names
Like Atlas, Cronos, Prometheus, etc
agreed..... So let it be written... so let be done !!
I'll third that.
So we have .......
Federation Titan Class Advanced Detterance Dreadnaught USS TITAN NCC-76452
In 2365 construction began on the Sovereign Class starship and soon after Starfleet realized it's need for a TRUE Dreadnaught to compliment the Sovereign so in 2368 Utopia Planitia begins construction of the Titan Class . Over the course of the next several years,the Titan Class goes through several revisions due to flaws discovered in the Galaxy Class design,and with lessons learned during Starfleets battle with the Borg in 2373,and the Dominion War.In 2375 after the Enterprise's Briar Patch incident Starfleet orders a new narcelle design to be fitted for the Titan.In 2376 the Nx Titan begins her preliminary shakedown trials.In 2377 the Titan recieves her final revisions after being refitted with technologies recently returned with the starship Voyager.And in 2378 the newly christened USS TITAN NCC-76452 is launched with Captain William Riker in command.
Short,simple,and canon.
-MP
And for the curious........a complete list of all the Titans.......
Titans
P.S.
Wesley Crusher and Ensign Ro are to join Riker on the Titan.And Worf even though it wasn't stated is now first officer on the Ent E.Read about this and other facts here..........
www.tvtome.com
Cool !!! MP .. excellent job on research and historical data !! This follows the time line and the technological development I had in mind. Other wise you just have another Federation ship without a specfic purpose for development. To me that takes away from the "Titan" image in a big way. Additionally what you have here seems to co-inside with the rest of "Trek Lore" .. I here by submit that this be recognized as the official log entry for the Titan from SOA development team.
Those of you who have been reviewing this ... please examine.
thanks again !!
Post by: Sandman3D on May 20, 2004, 09:31:10 am
Post by: olbuzzard on May 20, 2004, 10:45:07 am
good job sir !!
Post by: Ryker on May 20, 2004, 11:49:22 am
The mesh looks fine, but I was staring at it, and I realised that an unbroken bow edge would look much more streamlined- have a look at this image to see what I mean. Apologies if the colours look a little off, MS paint will do that for you
Not only does the front of the ship seem to flow better, but it means you can have an unbroken space in the front to fit the registry number, as well as having a "10-Forward" lounge area...
Its only a minor modification, but it makes it look a lot smoother, what do you think?
[EDIT- Also, if the forward termination points of the saucer's dorsal phaser banks are seperated a little, it makes even more space in the front, as well as looking smoother. Comments?]
Post by: olbuzzard on May 20, 2004, 12:20:14 pm
As for the registry ... hmmm how about this ..... why not break with tradition... one each ( smaller lettering that is appropriate ) at a 45deg from the bridge .. one starborad ... one port ... ( This may or may not work ) ... but it might be worth looking into. I 'll leave this up to Sandman3D .... he' been pretty cool so far.
Post by: Ryker on May 20, 2004, 12:26:05 pm
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I appreciate the input... however.. that is not necessarrily true .. the phaser array could in fact as a result of this be "doubled" ... with over lapping arcs on the forward most positions only. Most arrays have a single beam that follows the target as the ship "sweeps" past its target. One of the reason for the additional arrays was for two ... top front and two bottom .. front as well. Not ony would this give the ship overlaping arcs .. but times two since there is a break in the array.
There still is a break in the array in my illustration above- its just the distance between the termination points is a little further apart than before
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As for the registry ... hmmm how about this ..... why not break with tradition... one each ( smaller lettering that is appropriate ) at a 45deg from the bridge .. one starborad ... one port ... ( This may or may not work ) ... but it might be worth looking into. I 'll leave this up to Sandman3D .... he' been pretty cool so far.
Small letter gives a larger sense of scale- smaller letter would be entirely appropriate, but every Federation starship I have ever seen has a single, forward facing indication of it's name and registry...
I'd like to see an illustration of your point, but in my minds eye, it doesnt look as flowing as a single number...!
EDIT: Ive just added to my previous illustration- please forgive the slapdash nature- again, bloody MS Paint will do that
Post by: Azel on May 20, 2004, 12:36:34 pm
like my Asimov
Post by: Rat_Boy on May 20, 2004, 12:44:03 pm
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well you can always put the name on oneside of the trench and the registry on the other
like my Asimov
Nightsoft also did that with the Firedrake, which was a nice effect.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 20, 2004, 01:02:46 pm
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well you can always put the name on oneside of the trench and the registry on the other
like my Asimov
Nightsoft also did that with the Firedrake, which was a nice effect.
Very well .. Azel sir, I'm still at work .. and I'm very interested in an illustration of this if ya could do that for me .. I would REALLY like to see this.
Ryker.. lets see how their suggestions play out ... would that be cool ??
Post by: Ryker on May 20, 2004, 01:06:56 pm
I still maintain that a more rounded prow to the ship would make it looks sleeker, as well as solve the registry location situation
Bring on the pictures!
Post by: Azel on May 20, 2004, 01:18:42 pm
Quote:Indeed she would look sleeker and I agree with you suggestion...but
Indeed it would be cool, bud
I still maintain that a more rounded prow to the ship would make it looks sleeker, as well as solve the registry location situation
Bring on the pictures!
this ship is going to keep her individuality and those saucer trenches are the key
So what does this mean???
It means that I will use your suggestion and will work with you to design a Frigate, Light-cruiser, Battleship, or Destroyer in order to implement your ideas...that is if you would have me...Also this could be another joint community idea/design
Post by: olbuzzard on May 20, 2004, 01:32:53 pm
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Quote:Indeed she would look sleeker and I agree with you suggestion...but
Indeed it would be cool, bud
I still maintain that a more rounded prow to the ship would make it looks sleeker, as well as solve the registry location situation
Bring on the pictures!
this ship is going to keep her individuality and those saucer trenches are the key
So what does this mean???
It means that I will use your suggestion and will work with you to design a Frigate, Light-cruiser, Battleship, or Destroyer in order to implement your ideas...that is if you would have me...Also this could be another joint community idea/design
So let be written... so let be done !!
Thanks ...
BTW...Azel ... if ya have an illustration you could whip up for us on what you ment about the lettering for the registry .. that would be super.
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 20, 2004, 02:17:03 pm
Post by: Sandman3D on May 20, 2004, 03:10:59 pm
As for reg positioning, I'll try a couple of variations and we can see what she looks like...also want to see how she looks with a number in the trench, whichever is in the middle. I like the trench on her, makes her stand out. MP, come up with a design storyline that applies to the trench, please...you're our story guy. OK, time to eat lunch and get back to work, I'll do some more after work and post pics tonight.
Post by: Ryker on May 20, 2004, 06:33:43 pm
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Quote:Indeed she would look sleeker and I agree with you suggestion...but
Indeed it would be cool, bud
I still maintain that a more rounded prow to the ship would make it looks sleeker, as well as solve the registry location situation
Bring on the pictures!
this ship is going to keep her individuality and those saucer trenches are the key
So what does this mean???
It means that I will use your suggestion and will work with you to design a Frigate, Light-cruiser, Battleship, or Destroyer in order to implement your ideas...that is if you would have me...Also this could be another joint community idea/design
***...ship plans float around in Ryker's head, most involving variations of the Ambassador class he's nuts about...***
Post by: Ryker on May 20, 2004, 06:52:50 pm
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Keepin' da trench...it's the signature of this ship!!
OK, time to eat lunch and get back to work, I'll do some more after work and post pics tonight.
Cool cool
I had an idea in work about a way of keeping the trench (as is popular opinion
) and making the registry fit in a standard way- remember the Enterprise J had a similar projection at the front of it's saucer? As I recall, it started off as a trench and widened out to a fan towards the front of the saucer- could something like this work with the Titan...? (It could also be a little 'canon precursor to the Ent-J): I had a play around with it, and came up with this (admittedly OTT) illustration of the 'fan' section of the hull:
If the trench fans out (probably much less than this
) at the prow, maybe the reg # and number could fit in there, and the trench stays...?
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 20, 2004, 07:16:36 pm
Post by: Azel on May 20, 2004, 07:21:12 pm
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Keepin' da trench...it's the signature of this ship!! As for reg positioning, I'll try a couple of variations and we can see what she looks like...also want to see how she looks with a number in the trench, whichever is in the middle. I like the trench on her, makes her stand out. MP, come up with a design storyline that applies to the trench, please...you're our story guy.
OK, time to eat lunch and get back to work, I'll do some more after work and post pics tonight.
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Cool cool
I had an idea in work about a way of keeping the trench (as is popular opinion ) and making the registry fit in a standard way- remember the Enterprise J had a similar projection at the front of it's saucer? As I recall, it started off as a trench and widened out to a fan towards the front of the saucer- could something like this work with the Titan...? (It could also be a little 'canon precursor to the Ent-J): I had a play around with it, and came up with this (admittedly OTT) illustration of the 'fan' section of the hull:
Quote:no good
that ruins the side veiw of the saucer
Sorry mate I am not feeling that one
Post by: Sandman3D on May 20, 2004, 07:30:07 pm
Besides, Trek is full of new ideas, so maybe we need to come up with a new idea for the reg and name placement. Like I said, I'll play with it ans post pics of results.
Post by: red_green on May 20, 2004, 07:55:12 pm
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ok, before anyone gets all worked up about the trench, let's see what she looks like later...I'll be doing more work texture wise, and we can see how she looks....but basically, Buzz and Azel are the designers and they say it stays, so...
Besides, Trek is full of new ideas, so maybe we need to come up with a new idea for the reg and name placement. Like I said, I'll play with it ans post pics of results.
Ok this may sound lame but its hard to tell how wide the trench is from that angle. 1st of all, That is one hell of a good job on the mesh
Perhaps on the reg. NCC could be on the left. The dash in the center of the hull. Then TITAN to the right. Maybe you could post 3-4 different variations of the reg placement and let us nitpic them
Post by: olbuzzard on May 20, 2004, 08:24:05 pm
1. Ryker ... you suggestion is not all togeather a bad one... BUT ...
2. Let Sandman do his thing with a few concept ideas .. we just might come up with one that is a bit origonal !
3. After that we will review ALL of the possibilities.
Sandman has been most cooperative and understanding.
Until then gents ... lets be paitent and wait !!
thanks
Post by: ModelsPlease on May 20, 2004, 08:28:41 pm
-MP
OT- my first true texture is done.I created a gold hued chain metal effect that would be great for a BORG texture.When I have a complete set of them I'll debut my first release.Not that it'll be much better than a 2 year old with a crayon but ya have to start somewhere.
-MP
Post by: red_green on May 20, 2004, 08:35:40 pm
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okie here's my 2 cents worth:
1. Ryker ... you suggestion is not all togeather a bad one... BUT ...
2. Let Sandman do his thing with a few concept ideas .. we just might come up with one that is a bit origonal !
3. After that we will review ALL of the possibilities.
Sandman has been most cooperative and understanding.
Until then gents ... lets be paitent and wait !!
thanks
Patients? What am I a doctor? I say lets form a loose mob and start making demands.
Hey MP crayons are fun. I am sure you will be real good real fast like. If so I got some meshes on my HD you can practice on
Post by: Sandman3D on May 21, 2004, 08:28:00 am
I'll do more today though...I have the day off. so....
Post by: olbuzzard on May 21, 2004, 08:57:08 am
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(JUST KIDDING !!!!!!)
I will be hard to get a hold of after noon today ... I'm taking my wife of 30 years out to do some shopping .... the out to dinner and maybe a movie after that. Sooooooo hehehe ... I will be a bit busy !!
Above all bud ... just take your time ... the amount of detail you put into this will make a really big difference on the overall apearance. (BTW ... some of the guys in our fleet are going to begg Nanner to make certain this baby is in the MOD comming up)... hehehe .. no pressure there bud !!
I'll pop in before Noon... mean time I want to thank you for your special efforts you have put into this project. It has been an absolute pleasure working with you and the rest of the team on this project !!
thanks guys !!
Post by: Sandman3D on May 21, 2004, 09:00:47 am
Post by: olbuzzard on May 21, 2004, 10:09:59 am
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Fess up Buzz...we won't be seein ya the rest of today...got some "SPECIAL" plans for celebrating right?
HEHEE ... dont let a little snow on the ol' roof top fool ya there bud !!!
Post by: ModelsPlease on May 21, 2004, 11:12:29 am
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okie here's my 2 cents worth:
1. Ryker ... you suggestion is not all togeather a bad one... BUT ...
2. Let Sandman do his thing with a few concept ideas .. we just might come up with one that is a bit origonal !
3. After that we will review ALL of the possibilities.
Sandman has been most cooperative and understanding.
Until then gents ... lets be paitent and wait !!
thanks
Patients? What am I a doctor? I say lets form a loose mob and start making demands.
Hey MP crayons are fun. I am sure you will be real good real fast like. If so I got some meshes on my HD you can practice on
Sure thing Red I'll give it go as soon as I figure out how to put the texture on a model.Once I figure that out I'll be working hard to get some models textured.Which leads me to my questions....What do I have to do to mate textures to a model ? Do I need a texture first or do I need to map where the texture goes ? And if I need to map it how do I do it. As you can see I'm pretty lost here. But my first texture is kick azz. I know I did it by total accident but it looks quite pro. I just need to put it on something......lol as soon I find out how.Any help will be appreciated guys.
Post by: Sandman3D on May 21, 2004, 05:59:16 pm
Also, I made the deflector dish, turned out pretty good if you ask me. And 2 shots of another possibility for the name and reg...needs tweaking, just did it real quick for demo purposes. Also added some windows...too big, but I'll refine her as I go. 
Post by: Azel on May 21, 2004, 06:17:52 pm
you need to reduce the ships registry and name by at least 50%
also flip the position of them
And the pylons still need tweaking(I think you knew that...I am just being an A$$ about it
)Still she is looking good
BTW the gold parts are new???
if they are not...then they should be grey
Post by: Ryker on May 21, 2004, 06:21:10 pm
Windows could be smaller, as well as the registry number, to lend a greater sense of scale
Post by: Sandman3D on May 21, 2004, 06:27:46 pm
The gold parts...that's what I was wondering...wasn't sure what they were supposed to be, so didn't know what color. Gray it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the pylons are wrong, I'll get to 'em. BTW, windows on the inside of the trench? I think it'll look good, but only in certain areas...I'll do it up with 'em and see how it looks.
Post by: Azel on May 21, 2004, 06:36:48 pm
Post by: red_green on May 21, 2004, 07:05:07 pm
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]Sure thing Red I'll give it go as soon as I figure out how to put the texture on a model.Once I figure that out I'll be working hard to get some models textured.Which leads me to my questions....What do I have to do to mate textures to a model ? Do I need a texture first or do I need to map where the texture goes ? And if I need to map it how do I do it. As you can see I'm pretty lost here. But my first texture is kick azz. I know I did it by total accident but it looks quite pro. I just need to put it on something......lol as soon I find out how.Any help will be appreciated guys.
Like the update Sandman.
Mp you might want to check on milkshape. Thats what I use for modeling and applying textures. It has a 30 day trial period. After that you need to register it for maybe 25 bucks. Its worth that even if you just use it for texturing. You can find the link to it by doing a search. You will need the plugins for SFC. They should be at the same site I imagine.
The best way to learn to assign textures is to start with a box. Select each side of a box by selecting each face while ignoring back faces. Then regroup the box into its 6 seperate sides. Apply your texture to each side. Check out this link, its a texture mapping tutorial I did for Milkshape. Just the basics.
milkshape texture mapping tutorial
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 21, 2004, 08:37:27 pm
anyway i had an idea about the trench system. Since the titan has the best hardware that starfleet has to offer would that include the best sensors. (i think so)The Intrepid class has a coffin shaped sensor panel on the primary hull just under the secondary deflecter dish. Which i have been playing around with in paintshop pro 8, and i found that if you use a revamped borg texture in small doses it looks very sensor like. (typicaly an open panel showing lots of wires and Doodahs)
secondly i tried it in the rim of the Galaxy that runs around the saucer and the horizontal line of the engerneering hull. it looks very good!
If you like i have a costumised borg texture that i made if you want to give it a shot and see how it looks that way all the trench system will be unique and will give the ship an even most post voyager feel since MP wrote that the titan included tech from the delta quadrent that voyager brought back.
Like i said this is just a thought im just running ideas though my head and trying to add my 2 cents or in my case my 2 pence.
Post by: ModelsPlease on May 21, 2004, 11:07:45 pm
1) Reduce the registry by at least 50 % as Azel mentioned for scale.
2) I agree reduce window size for scale.That will also make the trench appear large if you intend to place windows along the inside of it.
3) A little borg tek might look cool as well. But on the other hand just because Titan has it doesn't mean it shows up as clumps of wiring ,remember the Borg care nothing for asthetics.
My .$02
Unreal Sandman,this is truly your finest work so far sir.I can't wait to see Titans finished narcelles they look so good in the pic.
-MP
Post by: Sandman3D on May 21, 2004, 11:53:11 pm
Post by: Reverend on May 22, 2004, 12:08:41 am
Post by: ModelsPlease on May 22, 2004, 12:14:15 am
1) Move the registry closer ----> <------- to the trench
2) Perhaps move the registry above the phaser strips ? And then fill in the vacant area with more escape pods in line with the ones already there.
3) Should it not read U.S.S.Titan l (trench) l NCC-76452 ? Name always comes before registry.
Just stuff to think about sir.
-MP
Post by: Sandman3D on May 22, 2004, 12:21:19 am
I knew that about the name/reg...brain fart.
As for moving position, let's see if everyone agrees that it looks good like this; I think it fits with the size of the ship. Just realized something...the trench, if turned so the cross bar is on top, looks like a styleized "T"...Azel, you getting subliminal on us?
Post by: olbuzzard on May 22, 2004, 12:52:32 am
WOW what a day !!
I like your progress on the lettering. Move it closer to the trench... but NOT nex to it. The additional work is looking much better.
Ii do agree to make the window a bit smaller.. contrast your colors better so they will be more clear. The suggestions we sent ya via PM should help clarify the only two remaining discrepancies .. including the pylons .... which actuall begin MUCH closer to the forward part of the secondary hull ... then taper in more of a swept back position ..
If there is ANYTHING I can do to help sit .. let me know.
Again .. your efforts are really beginning to pay off. This is without question one of your best so far !!
Thanks
Post by: Sandman3D on May 22, 2004, 01:01:58 am
(Shakes head, mumbling "Can't get over the pylons, you'd think they needed 'em just perfect, this is WIP...mumble mumble mumble)
If I try to go smaller on the windows, they won't show up...tried it already. Buzz, you use PS, so you know that a dot made with a brush size of 5 pix is tiny...that's what the windows are.
3 pixels don't seem to show up well. BTW, so far the only thing I've done in PSP is the name/reg cause it's easier to position them, and the escape hatches for the same reason. Learning PS more and more.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 22, 2004, 01:29:03 am
Just so you guys have an idea of the sort of behind the scenes stuff that has been going on for the last few weeks ... here is a sample of a PM we sent to Sandman this ... err ahhh AM . He has been most cooperative and has demonstrated repetedly his commitment to making this model the best possible.
Sandman !! Keep up the efforts sir. You are to be commended !!
thanks
Post by: Sandman3D on May 22, 2004, 12:46:38 pm
Post by: olbuzzard on May 22, 2004, 02:49:34 pm
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 22, 2004, 03:43:11 pm
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I like this much better !
Agreed it looks awsome keep it up
Post by: Ryker on May 22, 2004, 06:30:58 pm
One thing I'd like to add as well if I may- when I was making AMT Enterprise model kits, I started out just using white to fill in the windows- on my Enterprise C one though, I experimented with using small numbers black/dark grey windows as well as white ones- it made it look a LOT better! Same thing is on the Enterprise D's hull, in the series (some blacked out windows).
Looking good!
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 22, 2004, 07:37:26 pm
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Hell yeah!
One thing I'd like to add as well if I may- when I was making AMT Enterprise model kits, I started out just using white to fill in the windows- on my Enterprise C one though, I experimented with using small numbers black/dark grey windows as well as white ones- it made it look a LOT better! Same thing is on the Enterprise D's hull, in the series (some blacked out windows).
Looking good!
thats a good point it looks a bit more canon if the ship isnt using all its power to feed the interior lights
Post by: olbuzzard on May 22, 2004, 09:08:54 pm
can wait to see what Sandman is up to next ( Oh BTW ... just some cut N' paste stuff off of another ship ... and added my own touch to the nacells) ...
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 22, 2004, 10:08:32 pm
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just thinking out loud ...
can wait to see what Sandman is up to next ( Oh BTW ... just some cut N' paste stuff off of another ship ... and added my own touch to the nacells) ...
i do like the escape pods like that the yellow ones looked a bit off to me perhaps they could be used in the final textures
Post by: olbuzzard on May 22, 2004, 10:29:37 pm
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just thinking out loud ...
can wait to see what Sandman is up to next ( Oh BTW ... just some cut N' paste stuff off of another ship ... and added my own touch to the nacells) ...
i do like the escape pods like that the yellow ones looked a bit off to me perhaps they could be used in the final textures
and I moved them to the outside.... and i changed the tone of the paint.
mostly just messin' around though
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 22, 2004, 11:03:03 pm
if i could add anything to those textures i would deffinatly make the sensor panels a bit smaller maybe give them glows and cunning shades so when the ship is in "darker space" (if theres such a thing) they would look active that why i mentioned borg textures they use the glows and shades really well, i spent 3 days making mine so you could see depth and it doesnt look like a box with wires in it looks like exposed circuts and panels with leads going into and from them with the shades and lights just to emphisize on the depth.
Just thinking out loud if the panels are sunk into the hull and replaced with my borg texture with some of the detail(wires and relays) flowing under the hull plates it would look like they are connected to the ship instead of been blocks of simple texture it would also add to the effect of scale to the whole design if anyone wants to know what my borg texture looks like i can mail to them
Post by: olbuzzard on May 22, 2004, 11:17:39 pm
Post by: Rat_Boy on May 22, 2004, 11:24:20 pm
Post by: LordMorpheous on May 22, 2004, 11:59:39 pm
that ship looks awsome musta took alot of patients huh. something i lack im afraid especially when it comes to stuff like that.
ive been out playing alot of modded games on the dyna and already seen a Titan Class ship in use??
now is it just the name of your ship U.S.S.Titan or is it a different generation of Titan class.
sorry if this is something that has already been discussed but am very intrested in seeing your ship completed i'll try and see if i can post a screenshot or something of the Titan class ive seen. if i can remember which mod its in!! lol
anyway keep up the nice work, looking forward to seeing the complete thing!!!
Morph
Post by: Sandman3D on May 23, 2004, 12:33:52 am
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... soooo his atristic skills and what strikes him best ultimately is where this will conclude.
BLESS YOU!!!
I say that, because in the past people have gotten upset if their suggestions weren't used.
Actually though, it's you, Buzz and Azel, who had the vision for this....I'm just trying bring it about. One thing I will state here is, this is a WIP, so nothing is finalized yet, especially coloring and such. Right now I'm going with bright initially so it's obvious, so we can figure out if it looks good there, or there, or there... And yes, I will be adding black windows, probably in the "tweaking" stage. Next update will probably be Monday, as my wife and I finally have a day off together, and if I spend it working on a model, I'll be paying for it a month from now.
Post by: Sandman3D on May 23, 2004, 12:41:29 am
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ive been out playing alot of modded games on the dyna and already seen a Titan Class ship in use??
now is it just the name of your ship U.S.S.Titan or is it a different generation of Titan class.
Not sure which it is, but since the Titan is an unknown ship, this is our (Ol Buzzard, Azel, Me Sandman3D, with a lot of input from the forum) version of what it looks like...of course, if we ever do see it onscreen we'll have to rename it or something.
And thanx for the comment, it has been a month long effort on our part so far, but we're all content to see it coming to life. Except of course MP, whose cries of MODELS PLEASE!!! never cease.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 23, 2004, 12:33:10 pm
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... soooo his atristic skills and what strikes him best ultimately is where this will conclude.
BLESS YOU!!!
I say that, because in the past people have gotten upset if their suggestions weren't used.
Next update will probably be Monday, as my wife and I finally have a day off together, and if I spend it working on a model, I'll be paying for it a month from now.
Sandman .. I appreciate your heart felt hard work ... and your attitude. If we keep pulling togeather this project will unquestionalby be concluded in the best of class. Keep working on the textures as needed. Take care of home and family first. It is my personal philosophy that if we keep our priorities straight .. God will bless us in other endevors accordingly.
The Titan name will remain as such. Azel did an excellent job on explaining that a few days ago. Dont forget that Azel did an excellent hybrid review on the Titan not too long ago. Until Paramount does their thing .... it's kind a up for grabbs really. (though it would be kind of cool if it resembled either Azels or this one !!)
Looking forward to Sandmans next update.!!
Post by: Rat_Boy on May 23, 2004, 12:41:48 pm
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Until Paramount does their thing .... it's kind a up for grabbs really. (though it would be kind of cool if it resembled either Azels or this one !!)
Closest thing we'll be getting anything official will be a design for a Titan book series coming out next year or the year after.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 23, 2004, 05:24:59 pm
but for the sake of discussion... here is some thing we played with in the last hour !
Post by: Kaenyne on May 24, 2004, 08:27:02 am
Post by: Sandman3D on May 24, 2004, 08:51:25 am
I like what you did with the escape pods though...except, the ones around the trench...how about instead of windows we put pods on the inside of the trench? I'll do some pics of it so we can see what it looks like. Man, with all the brainstorming and work we've put into this, Paramount should use this one if they ever have one onscreen.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 24, 2004, 09:15:34 am
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I don't know about the Borg texture...to me looks like the ship is unfinished with them.
Man, with all the brainstorming and work we've put into this, Paramount should use this one if they ever have one onscreen.
Agreed on all points sir... except for the pods in the trenches ... windows might be better .. if ya want to do a test thingy .. that's cool As for the Borg stuff.. just thought we'd take a look at to see how might shape up... but we do need something detailed there if we are going to use those sort of pannels.
also ... hhmmmmm I will try to send ya a pm about some other details ...
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 24, 2004, 10:04:23 am
Post by: Sandman3D on May 24, 2004, 11:46:16 am
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wqell i emailed a nice new completly uniqe borg texture to try what did that turn out like if you tested it
Who did you send it to? I chk'd my emails and wasn't there...send it to me at jason@sandman3d.com and I'll throw it on and make some pics to see how it looks. I think what's wrong with the one Buzz used is too light of a color scheme...maybe a little darker, and applied to the mesh rather than a pic it will look better.
Also, I think this should be referred to as the Taldren Modeling Forum USS TITAN, as it has truly been a community effort.
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 24, 2004, 12:09:08 pm
Post by: Sandman3D on May 24, 2004, 12:45:47 pm
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ok its on its way to you
OK, went and got it, now to go play with it. Have an idea that if it works will really spice it up some.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 24, 2004, 01:34:21 pm
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ok its on its way to you
OK, went and got it, now to go play with it. Have an idea that if it works will really spice it up some.
Take it easy there turbo ... remember .. this is a FED ship !!! LOL
Post by: Sandman3D on May 24, 2004, 02:07:10 pm
OK, here's a couple of shots of what I did. Placed Fallen Warriors Borg texture onder the saucer shape layer, cut out the panels, added an inner shadow, then added the escape pods from P81's Sov...looks alot better.
Post by: Tus on May 24, 2004, 02:17:22 pm
the aztecs look good but you might want to try to make them less stretched(more reptitions of it before you do polar cordinates to make it circular) and less visible. try adding say a 50-75% gray in a layer above the aztec pattern(s) that way they are there pattern is there but its more subtle . another way is the is to put a gray layer underneath the aztecs and then mess with the aztec pateren as well as the alternating gray pattern (if you use one) tranparency settings till ur happy with it.
keep it up, looks like a ship i might have to add to my sfc in game library (very rare
)Tus
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 24, 2004, 03:22:24 pm
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OK, here's a couple of shots of what I did. Placed Fallen Warriors Borg texture onder the saucer shape layer, cut out the panels, added an inner shadow, then added the escape pods from P81's Sov...looks alot better.
you got exactly what i was trying to picture it does work but perhaps if you try putting a small glow in there when its close to been finished it might ad to the scale again and you were right it does spice her up im looking for a big ol' barrel of Blood wine to crack open for the launch ceramony by the times its ready the wine should have aged just enough for me and klingon fanatic to drink it all and fall over and laugh while singing of great battle the titan will win
Post by: Ryker on May 24, 2004, 04:26:35 pm
She's looking really sweet now- only a small change I'd recommend; use rectangular (and not circular) windows- similar to the Sovereign (and especially Galaxy) class starships.
Great work bud!
Post by: olbuzzard on May 24, 2004, 05:41:01 pm
I like what we see so far. looks like time to move to the bridge area .... and the impulse engines ... then the under side !!!
hehehe ....
Oh BTW.... what did you think about the idea of the reward Q-torps we asked ya about ??
Post by: ModelsPlease on May 25, 2004, 06:53:53 am
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ive been out playing alot of modded games on the dyna and already seen a Titan Class ship in use??
now is it just the name of your ship U.S.S.Titan or is it a different generation of Titan class.
Not sure which it is, but since the Titan is an unknown ship, this is our (Ol Buzzard, Azel, Me Sandman3D, with a lot of input from the forum) version of what it looks like...of course, if we ever do see it onscreen we'll have to rename it or something.
And thanx for the comment, it has been a month long effort on our part so far, but we're all content to see it coming to life. Except of course MP, whose cries of MODELS PLEASE!!! never cease.
Hey I never say that
ok maybe once or twice ok ok ok so what's your point ? Anyway great work Sandman sir. I agree with the suggestion of trying rectangular windows for a more TNG look,and even the Aztec texture tweak suggestions,just to see what they look like. I too wish to submit a texture for your consideration.It could be used as a future tek sensor panel or whatever you think ( that's right MP's first real texture
). I'll send it your way and you can see if you like it.This is amazing work sir. -MP
Post by: Sandman3D on May 25, 2004, 08:54:00 am
Probably won't get much done tonight...getting headaches after a little while, so need to give my eyes a rest. Never fear though, it will only be a small break.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 25, 2004, 12:24:49 pm
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ok, I'll take a look.
BREAK?? WHAT BREAK ?? I don't remember anything about no break !
( Ol Buzzard stops to think about what was just said .... ) YUK !!! I think I've just turned into my boss !!!
BTW ... (J/K)
Post by: Azel on May 26, 2004, 01:15:21 pm
Oh btw...(brace yourselves for this)
I designed another Titan-class
I didn't do it to undermind this project
But rather, I did it because the ship is non canon in its apearance
so it leaves me to design like Nuts Ideas and conceps
I will probably post it...but then again I may not
It depends on you guys...If I do want to see her...
I will start a new thread
Post by: olbuzzard on May 26, 2004, 02:29:23 pm
Sandman... return the primary hull to its origonal design concept.
Azel .. please hlep Sandman finish this correctly. There is no need to build an entire fleet of ships to minimize this one.
I will remove all input data ... and picts with reguard to this project. There is no need to compete like this. It was fun. I appreciate the opportunity.
It will be better for this to be finished by a respected, more experienced member of the community any ways.
Thanks guys ... It was a blast.
Post by: Sandman3D on May 26, 2004, 04:16:45 pm
I don't really see a problem with completing this...there are already a couple of "Titan"'s out there, what's another one?
Besides that, everyone is having such a blast making this come alive...it probably would have been better to have a better modeler do it...would have been done by now. Whatever you decide, I'm gonna keep plugging away at it, though I might make a low key project. We'll see how it winds up...but this will be completed.
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 26, 2004, 04:23:19 pm
second im glad this will be finished its come on too far to let it die now
Post by: Rat_Boy on May 26, 2004, 04:32:58 pm
Post by: Azel on May 26, 2004, 05:32:29 pm
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I have a better idea... From all indication since we varried the primary hull slightly you have not been satisfied that this ship "was cannon".. Rather than finish this incorrectly with things that now make you feel as though it is now non cannon .. I need to step away from this all togeather.
Sandman... return the primary hull to its origonal design concept.
Azel .. please hlep Sandman finish this correctly. There is no need to build an entire fleet of ships to minimize this one.
I will remove all input data ... and picts with reguard to this project. There is no need to compete like this. It was fun. I appreciate the opportunity.
It will be better for this to be finished by a respected, more experienced member of the community any ways.
Thanks guys ... It was a blast.
No No No!
Come on O'ld-Man, You know I like the ship as is...it is a Team collaboration
It has nothing to do with this Titan at all or its coolness or team work
I just got another idea...I always have other ideas ...One after the other
It is NOT in retalliation of this ship's progress...The Titan IS a non-canon (screen time wise).
My first version with WZ is NON-Canon, this version with sandman and you Old man is non-canon, and so is my newest version...it is just another idea...nothing more, nothing less.
So please donot abbandon the project...as she is your "Brain Child"
I just drew it out
Post by: Tus on May 26, 2004, 05:48:09 pm
). I think the more desings the better, just cause we have one very well done one (which happens to be coming out very nicely as a 3d model) doesn't mean there is no room for other concepts to find there way out into circulation. Heck look at this way, there are at least a million connies out there, each one a little different from the last, it doesn't mean that one is the best, just that alot of people had their own ideas on how to do it.
Tus
Post by: starforce2 on May 26, 2004, 06:12:36 pm
Ok..atolm doesn't think I said enough (usualy people want me to shut the f*** up..but ok)
The first titan was butt-ugly...this one was decent and I was actualy hoping to see it done. Now..the new one is even better so I hope that one gets done too. This one seems to close to throw it.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 26, 2004, 06:18:55 pm
Azel... you are one hcek of a natural bud !! I really mean that too !! It's no shame to step aside and let a better man get the job finished.
Please do Olbuzzard just one favor... FINISH IT RIGHT !!! Do it with the finest of style and tradition. Those of you have such skill and talent .. dont take it for granted. Most of us look up to you with appreciation and respect for what you are doing here.
BTW.. it should be noted .. I'm not leaving the forum . I just have my hands full here at work. I like my job, though at times it can be quite consuming. Everything will be cool. I t will work its self out. Ya just have to be paitent and see what happens... that's all.
chin up guys !!
the best to all of ya !!
Post by: WickedZombie45 on May 26, 2004, 09:01:12 pm
Post by: olbuzzard on May 27, 2004, 12:00:04 am
This project can still be finished!! Azel has the green light with my blessings on it !! i sent him a PM explaining things in detail.
By that same token, if he has other varriants he needs to produce ... then he should by all means follow that to its logical end.
Sandman .. in that PM sent to Azel I expressed my aproval for him to get this thing finished. AS for myself some things have developed at work that will be very demanding for the next two weeks at least. The last two days have been a real bear !!
I will pop in from time to time ... but go ahead and complete this project with Azels leadership. His insight should be able to help expidite the project and lend appropriate guidence that will bring the ship back to a completed design closer to cannon. His style and vision is the one that brought this to life and he is very capable of finishing it.
Azel.... you have the con sir !
carry on !!
Post by: Sandman3D on May 27, 2004, 12:17:08 am
I really did not want to have it end this way, so it is nice to see things working out.
(OH 5H1T, that means I have to do MORE texturing!!! WWWAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!)
Actually, I'm liking texturing this beast...the more I experiment, the more I learn, and that is an awesomely cool thing, dudes and dudettes. As I've said, I'm just glad ya'll are being so patient with me.
Post by: manitoba on May 27, 2004, 12:24:18 am
just one sec to listen to my idea, only a sec if u like. but its this
keep going on this one first. ie uss Titan-a
then do the second one, ie uss Titan-b
that is how i see it should be, this is a fantastic ship with all u guys working on it, i only wish i had a 1/3 rd of the skill u guys have. and it can only be better if u all work on it together, so PLZZ PLZZ dont anyone of u back off it. besides i have great plans from my shipyards for these ships, my varients on them
( i can just hear the cakles and chukles coming on that one) but i beg just dont any of u stop short of this project. i know Azel mind gets going sometimes he cant help it. like what i did to his one http://michaelmccauley.fotopic.net/c185104.html i get twisted sometimes too. just imagine if we went on junkyard wars dont think anyone would stand a chance. oh sorry its been more than a sec. but thats what i say
Post by: starforce2 on May 27, 2004, 12:27:26 am
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There's 50 Enterprises and dozens of Constitution models flying around, I fail to see any reason why there can't be more than 1 Titan.....
We should all be thankfull he's NOT making any more constitutions
Post by: ModelsPlease on May 27, 2004, 03:09:58 am
1) Leave this one alone USS Titan NCC-74652
2) I would like to BEG Wicked Zombie to just consider a change to the registry on his Titan to USS Titan Ncc-74652-A, since his is more futuristic than this one. That will also fill gaps toward the Zero era ships.
3)WHEN this one is done THEN Unleash your next visions of the Titan b,c or whichever Azel sir and perhaps some of the ideas created in this thread can be utilized on that one.
My $.02 . I know.....shut up MP
-MP
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 27, 2004, 05:06:51 am
Quote:heck i agree with that i might even go fishing myself with all the work im getting thrown my way
You need a long weekend fishing trip Ol'Buzzard sir and you'll be good as new. As for the Multi-Titans I wish to say this............
Quote:yeah lets get it finished
1) Leave this one alone USS Titan NCC-74652
Quote:i also agree with this one as well WZ's titan does fit more into the later era of ships
2) I would like to BEG Wicked Zombie to just consider a change to the registry on his Titan to USS Titan Ncc-74652-A, since his is more futuristic than this one. That will also fill gaps toward the Zero era ships.
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3)WHEN this one is done THEN Unleash your next visions of the Titan b,c or whichever Azel sir and perhaps some of the ideas created in this thread can be utilized on that one.
My $.02 . I know.....shut up MP
-MP
i dont even need to say it but i will a agree with you again MP it would be good if you kept quiet nah im kidding you keep up your ideas that why we have forums is so you can give your ideas which happen to be good so i say lets finish off this titan and get her flying and blasting any threat to the federation into lots of tiny little pieces
and then get toher ideas made and sorted and Ol'Buzz im glad to hear your not leaving us but could you at least drop us all a line and tell us if we may be doing something wrong like i dont know making her into a planet killer ( now theres an idea a fed ship with the power to blow up planets at will) and sandman if you need help with textures i can help out aswell just give me a bit of notice if you want my help as i have about 7 projects on the go and i need to shuffle them around to make time (which is no problem) anyway there is my 2 pence now im off down the pub and i will have a pint for everyone who as posted on this thread (im going to be brought home in a police car
Post by: Tus on May 27, 2004, 06:47:09 am
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3)WHEN this one is done THEN Unleash your next visions of the Titan b,c or whichever Azel sir and perhaps some of the ideas created in this thread can be utilized on that one.
Nahh, keep the name uss titan, hell even the registry, just give it a different class name
who said that the name of the ship was the ships class name .....
Post by: olbuzzard on May 27, 2004, 07:27:14 am
1. I reread my thread I put up yesterday... I cam across very poorly.. that is my fault. Azel you go right on building ships bud.. heck that is what you are know for !! This place would never be th same if you changed your style.
2. We are defiantely not leaving.
3. Work is definately an issue right now... believe it or not .... I am back at work already this AM.
4. I will try to pop in for a few min in the AM and evenings.. but that is about it and truthfully I have no guarentees I can do that !! It is not fair to SandmanD-3 who has put in so much time making this thing a reality not to have the input he needs. Azel.... that is where you are going to prove to be an invaluable leader to finish this.
5. By all means this needs to be completed.
conclusion: everything happens for a reason ... it is by design and purpose .. The unexpected work load (and the additional stress with it) .. has produced a very trying situation. I needed to be able stand down for a few days .. possibly as much as two weeks. BTW... if ya noticed I have not posted anymore work on the X-CLC. That is because I have devoted what spare time ( and it's not that much available) I have had to working on the Titan. I cant seem ot visalize the right roll bar to make it look right with the rest of the ship. I did come up with a way to move the impulse engines to the outside edges, and move the shuttle bay to the middle ( the theory being to make the ship more maneuverable).
Well ... I'm starting to ramble .. and I MUST get back to work.
thanks again .....
Keep up the great work
Keep pulling together
Post by: Azel on May 27, 2004, 10:58:44 am
Post by: Azel on May 27, 2004, 11:05:24 am
Quote:I am on the X-CLC
conclusion: everything happens for a reason ... it is by design and purpose .. The unexpected work load (and the additional stress with it) .. has produced a very trying situation. I needed to be able stand down for a few days .. possibly as much as two weeks. BTW... if ya noticed I have not posted anymore work on the X-CLC. That is because I have devoted what spare time ( and it's not that much available) I have had to working on the Titan. I cant seem ot visalize the right roll bar to make it look right with the rest of the ship. I did come up with a way to move the impulse engines to the outside edges, and move the shuttle bay to the middle ( the theory being to make the ship more maneuverable).
Well ... I'm starting to ramble .. and I MUST get back to work.
thanks again .....
Keep up the great work
Keep pulling together
Post by: Sandman3D on May 27, 2004, 12:30:01 pm
Quote:
Ok then this project is still going foward
Yeah!!!!
OK, bud, here's a question for ya....for the shuttle deck, ontop of the bridge module, along with shuttlebay doors on the rear, how about some fighter bay doors on the side? Just a thought.
Post by: Azel on May 27, 2004, 02:51:54 pm
Feds have no Fighters in Canon Trek
Post by: Azel on May 27, 2004, 05:34:03 pm
Post by: strider74205 on May 27, 2004, 07:01:54 pm
Post by: Azel on May 27, 2004, 07:10:58 pm
they have a crew of like 4
thats a ship
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 27, 2004, 09:19:44 pm
Post by: Azel on May 27, 2004, 09:45:35 pm
Quote:Again mate Feds donot have Fighters...also there is no need for them if a starship can just pic them off...this is not starwars where the capital ships are slow lumbering behemoths with bad aim...the is Trek where the ships can move very much like a fighter and aiming is usually very good
in star trek invasion for the playstation which has been okayed by paramount for design and history perposes is a fighter and carrier based story so yes starfleet does have fighters and they rock
Post by: manitoba on May 27, 2004, 10:01:38 pm
Post by: Azel on May 27, 2004, 10:21:21 pm
Quote:Those where the fed maquis ships
ok then what about all those tiny little things that were flying around in DS9 during the domininion war. could have sworn that some of them were fed fighters.
The closest things to fighters in the fed inventory are the Venture-class, the academy Trainer, and the Mars( or Jupiter) Defence Drones.
the Remans have Scorpions and the Sona have their fighters...a few races on Enterprise had them as did a few in Voyager
Scale is an issue here mates...I mean the constant /bad or erroneous writing consistancy has lead to many problems
this just being one (the Jem hadar defiant sized ships where also called fighters )
As for videogame fighters...all where cool...but none where needed
Post by: Azel on May 27, 2004, 10:23:36 pm
)but how about in a different thread???Thanks
Post by: Crimmy on May 27, 2004, 10:46:43 pm
Quote:
No fighters
Feds have no Fighters in Canon Trek
Uh...not to pick a fight....
ANYTHING approved by Paramount is official.....and therefore canon....
SFC has been approved by Paramount....
SFC has Federation fighters and carriers....
Federation fighters are therefore canon.....regardless where they may or may not appear in other areas of Paramounts intellectual property called "Star-trek"...Fed fighters are as legitimate as anything else.....
Since ALL trek is fantasy...no one part is any "more real" than any other part....especially when you add CANON things like alternate universes and time travel....
Sure the Fed Titan may have no use for fighters....but the Empire Federation Titan would probably have them...just to terrorize people planet side
Keep up the great work!
Post by: Sandman3D on May 28, 2004, 12:34:36 am
Anywho, I've started on the bridge module...this beast is gonna have a lot of textures. Already on the 4th one, and not even done with the top of the primary. OH well, I'll post some pics tomorrow.
Post by: ModelsPlease on May 28, 2004, 03:18:01 am
Quote:
No fighters
Feds have no Fighters in Canon Trek
Explain the pereguine fighter then, I thought it was canon.
Post by: olbuzzard on May 28, 2004, 07:51:04 am
1. Feds DO have fighters.
2. The Titan does NOT !!
3. Sandman I would be intetested in seeing some stuff this week end !
just my two cents worth !
That's about all I'll have time for today !
carry on !
Post by: Azel on May 28, 2004, 03:55:11 pm
Quote:So a Mirror universe Titan you say
Quote:
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No fighters
Feds have no Fighters in Canon Trek
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Uh...not to pick a fight....
ANYTHING approved by Paramount is official.....and therefore canon....
SFC has been approved by Paramount....
SFC has Federation fighters and carriers....
Federation fighters are therefore canon.....regardless where they may or may not appear in other areas of Paramounts intellectual property called "Star-trek"...Fed fighters are as legitimate as anything else.....
Since ALL trek is fantasy...no one part is any "more real" than any other part....especially when you add CANON things like alternate universes and time travel....
Sure the Fed Titan may have no use for fighters....but the Empire Federation Titan would probably have them...just to terrorize people planet side
Keep up the great work!
As for the Canonism of something...that is up to the creator
And Gene is the only source of Canonism...thats why anything after ST IV is non-canon according to Gene
as for paramount approved canonisms...paramount aproves alot..as they are getting money...that doesn't make it canon
that makes it approved
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 28, 2004, 06:51:58 pm
but besides isnt it sandmans choice since he is doing most of the texture and rendering work while you say what goes i think it should be voted it since its not just your baby anymore she belongs to the forum just like anything that takes a group effort in making even the ideas
Post by: Azel on May 28, 2004, 08:01:28 pm
If a mirror universe version comes out then fine
or a variant NP
but lets just make this ship ok
I'd like to just see this ship Finished...As Sandman is comming along quite awesomely
So lets just give this whole fighterbay/carrier idea a rest ok...after all we can always do a retexture or a kitbash or hell I'll just design another one
Post by: Fury_of_a_Seraph on May 28, 2004, 08:18:26 pm
In my private trek universe, sure there are fighters (The Peregrine is a little large and i consider it to be a Gunship)....in someone elses interpritation there aren't...
You want a fighterbay/shuttlebay? okay...if Atolm is willing to design a varient, i say go for it, or if you would rather have a kitbasher do it, cool, again, go for it...But dont tell a guy how to build his ship, or in this case their ship, thats def. not cool....
Honestly, im suprised Atolm would be willing to design you one after all this...
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 28, 2004, 08:25:02 pm
Post by: Fury_of_a_Seraph on May 28, 2004, 08:28:18 pm
Post by: manitoba on May 28, 2004, 08:36:49 pm
that should solve alot of things.
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 28, 2004, 08:52:57 pm
Quote:
then assuming that Atolm would grant your permission, i wish you luck.
Me Kitbash your kidding right i dont even know how to use Milkshape to add textures
nah im no where near qualified in kitbashing anything other than a bad cold into the flu i will leave that job to the pros
Post by: manitoba on May 28, 2004, 11:18:20 pm
Post by: Sandman3D on May 28, 2004, 11:36:54 pm
Guys, since this is foremost Buzz's baby, with a whole lot of Azel thrown in, it's their choice...that's why I asked. This is like a contract job...I'm just doing it for free.
Some of us can design, some of us can model, and a very few of us can do both...guess which I am. Buzz had the vision, Azel had the skill to design it, and I had the skills (somewhat ) to model it. We can debate things, but, when Buzz or Azel says no, it's no, as is only right. You've all had good ideas that were considered, some adopted, and some not...but still it's their baby. SOOOOOO, no more getting snippy with the master, or Gollum will have to hurt you, Gollum will. Seriously though, let the fighter debate end, at least in this thread.
Post by: Reverend on May 28, 2004, 11:47:41 pm
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 29, 2004, 09:34:28 am
Quote:
yeah F_W is waiting for me to kitbash it then he'll texture it. right F_W
but of course dude that is always the plan
Post by: Sandman3D on May 29, 2004, 11:50:24 am
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 29, 2004, 01:07:50 pm
Post by: olbuzzard on May 29, 2004, 05:13:18 pm
Quote:
OK, I'll post some pics tonight...almost have the bridge/impulse module done. Only have a few hours at night to work on her, so taking a little more time. I'll be doing more work tomorrow...day off.
Hey bud .. if any one understands that time issue thingy .. it's me. Take care of home first .. that is always the #1 priority ( of course you already know that .... just a little reasurance that we know where yoy are comming from )
I can't wait to see the picts. Hopefully I should have a little free time this evening and tomorrow.
As always your efforts are appreciated.
thanks
Post by: Sandman3D on May 30, 2004, 12:49:19 pm
And yes, I will be re-doing the primary windows...just wanted to get more of the rest done, or I'll never get to it, tweaking and re-tweaking....there comes a time when ya have to say good enough...hell, that's what our great re-texturers are for. 
Post by: Fallen_Warrior on May 30, 2004, 02:46:09 pm
Post by: Sandman3D on May 31, 2004, 10:55:55 am
Dang, I must doing everything right now.
Post by: Ryker on May 31, 2004, 11:10:45 am
Would like to suggest a couple of things though- the black area at the back of the saucer, is that to be worked on further? Also, I'd recommend making the phaser strips thinner (and a slightly lighter colour)- again, to lend scale.
One more thing
if I may- is the Impulse Engine vent area to be worked on at all? It looks like the front of K.I.T.T. from Knight Rider She's really coming together!
Post by: Kaenyne on June 02, 2004, 02:02:30 pm
Post by: Azel on June 02, 2004, 02:11:29 pm
Your doing a hell of a job mate
Post by: Sandman3D on June 02, 2004, 04:36:50 pm
Sorry for the delay in responding....been a real hectic past couple of days, the curse of RL and all.
I'm gonna start the bottom of the primary today, I should have pics tonight.
Post by: ModelsPlease on June 03, 2004, 01:12:30 am
I'm basing my judgements on this pic vs. the WIP
Azel's sketch has it more "angled"?
Great job though sir.
Post by: olbuzzard on June 03, 2004, 07:41:59 am
the rest is looking great sir !! I'll see if can find the picts at home we sent ya and spot them on the other WIP.
thanks again !
ahhh found the top view of what I was looking for already posted. (ignore the borg thingy)
Post by: ModelsPlease on June 03, 2004, 08:00:44 am
Post by: Sochin on October 29, 2004, 02:38:45 pm
Post by: markyd on October 29, 2004, 02:45:04 pm
Post by: OlBuzzard on October 29, 2004, 06:27:00 pm
(Ol Buzzard goes down hall way .. opens file drawers .. Hmmmmmm .. it's in here some where .....)
AH ! HA ! here it is !!
(The following is a copy from a post made by MP several months ago !)
Federation Titan Class Advanced Deterrence Dreadnaught USS TITAN NCC-76452
In 2365 construction began on the Sovereign Class starship and soon after Starfleet realized it's need for a TRUE Dreadnaught to compliment the Sovereign so in 2368 Utopia Planitia begins construction of the Titan Class . Over the course of the next several years,the Titan Class goes through several revisions due to flaws discovered in the Galaxy Class design,and with lessons learned during Starfleets battle with the Borg in 2373,and the Dominion War.In 2375 after the Enterprise's Brier Patch incident Starfleet orders a new nacelle design to be fitted for the Titan.In 2376 the Nx Titan begins her preliminary shakedown trials.In 2377 the Titan receives her final revisions after being refitted with technologies recently returned with the starship Voyager.And in 2378 the newly christened USS TITAN NCC-76452 is launched with Captain William Riker in command.
Short,simple,and canon.
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it should be noted that this was one of my first projects here in the community... it was fun. For now WZ has the over all project and has already made several notable changes. I personally eagerly await its conclusion.
thanks
Post by: ModelsPlease on October 30, 2004, 11:34:10 am
Yes .. this was quite a project .. shared by many. I'll see if I can find the history MP did .. hang on..
(Ol Buzzard goes down hall way .. opens file drawers .. Hmmmmmm .. it's in here some where .....)
AH ! HA ! here it is !!
(The following is a copy from a post made by MP several months ago !)
Federation Titan Class Advanced Deterrence Dreadnaught USS TITAN NCC-76452
In 2365 construction began on the Sovereign Class starship and soon after Starfleet realized it's need for a TRUE Dreadnaught to compliment the Sovereign so in 2368 Utopia Planitia begins construction of the Titan Class . Over the course of the next several years,the Titan Class goes through several revisions due to flaws discovered in the Galaxy Class design,and with lessons learned during Starfleets battle with the Borg in 2373,and the Dominion War.In 2375 after the Enterprise's Brier Patch incident Starfleet orders a new nacelle design to be fitted for the Titan.In 2376 the Nx Titan begins her preliminary shakedown trials.In 2377 the Titan receives her final revisions after being refitted with technologies recently returned with the starship Voyager.And in 2378 the newly christened USS TITAN NCC-76452 is launched with Captain William Riker in command.
Short,simple,and canon.
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it should be noted that this was one of my first projects here in the community... it was fun. For now WZ has the over all project and has already made several notable changes. I personally eagerly await its conclusion.
thanks
I too eagelry wait to see what WZ does to the Titan as I have no where near his skills,not to mention F_W has me slaving away on several projects at the moment.And I'm still just learning how to play with my crayons LOL
-MP
Post by: Sandman3D on October 30, 2004, 08:28:32 pm
Let me know if you want me to finish her as is. :)
Post by: ModelsPlease on October 30, 2004, 08:35:50 pm
-MP
Post by: OlBuzzard on October 30, 2004, 10:15:34 pm
(http://www.olbuzzard.com/TitanWIP80.jpg)
Post by: Dizzy on October 30, 2004, 10:59:22 pm
I looked at page 9 and I'm really exicted at how this is taking shape. Looks as if you are 75% there. Keep up the good work you two. ;)
Post by: Sandman3D on October 30, 2004, 11:24:25 pm
Post by: OlBuzzard on October 30, 2004, 11:43:13 pm
Thanx, it'll take awhile, but I'll get her done. ;D
COOL !!
:dance:
Post by: darkthunder on November 30, 2004, 04:05:04 pm
Post by: Sandman3D on November 30, 2004, 08:48:35 pm