Post by: ActiveX on May 07, 2004, 07:22:32 am
Post by: frazzle on May 07, 2004, 07:39:59 am
Post by: FFZ on May 07, 2004, 11:22:16 am
To bad there is no section 31 available to steal the plans to a decent starship, instead of the shieldless warp deficient Enterprise.
Post by: David Ferrell on May 08, 2004, 07:28:54 am
between shields and hull plating? They use the same terminology, they have
the same affect.
Remeber when Enterprise was coming out, we were told it took place before
shields and transporters and etc? In the first episode they have transporters
and use them, they have hull plating (shields by any other name...), now photonic
torpedoes and phase cannons.
Oy!
Thanks,
Dave
Post by: Lieutenant_Q on May 08, 2004, 12:22:47 pm
Post by: IKV Nemesis D7L on May 08, 2004, 01:23:43 pm
Quote:
It may not have shields, but it has hull plating. Can anyone tell me the differnce
between shields and hull plating? They use the same terminology, they have
the same affect.
Remeber when Enterprise was coming out, we were told it took place before
shields and transporters and etc? In the first episode they have transporters
and use them, they have hull plating (shields by any other name...), now photonic
torpedoes and phase cannons.
Oy!
Thanks,
Dave
I would say that hull plating is like TNGs "structural integrity fields" just more primitive.
If B&B had come out at the beginning and put in an episode that indicated the movie First Contact had caused a mirror universe type split that resulted in a new timeline being born and that Enterprise had been set in that timeline I think that people would hate it less.
Long ago when a friend asked me how I would reconcile the Enterprise show with the rest of Trek I proposed an episode where Worf and the newly overhauled Defiant (with other TNG crew members as well) used the Borg time travel system to travel ~100 years back in time to investigate whether that past matched the present of TNG. The mission would be justified by discrepancies between the NCC-1701E records of First Contact (Cochrane, Riker and LaForge flying the Phoenx) and the Federation records that were in disagreement (Cochrane, Lily and ??) flying the Phoenix. An attack on the missile complex vs none. Lists of dead in the attack that the Federation records whow living long and influential lives.
The Defiant could travel back and count on their cloak to protect them from interfering. They would of course be nearby when cloaked Suliban ships attacked the Enterprise NX-1 and the Enterprise cloaking detector would show them as well.
Post by: Praxis on May 08, 2004, 01:45:58 pm
Why?
If you get in a fight against a little enemy, and kill him pretty quickly, and only take a little damage, with shields they'll recharge by the next battle.
If you have armor, even the smallest ship firing will damage your armor, and you'll have to go get it repaired eventually.
Armor is more expensive, doesn't recharge, and you can transport right through it.
Post by: FFZ on May 08, 2004, 11:30:53 pm
Quote:If I understand it correctly, they 'polarize' the armor (I assume they add a magnetic field) that can deflect a certain amount of focused energy.
It may not have shields, but it has hull plating. Can anyone tell me the differnce
between shields and hull plating? They use the same terminology, they have
the same affect.
Shielding as I see it is energy held in a matrix, not in metal (like armor) so nothing physical is damaged as the field degrades from energy hits.
Quote:And before they were the only earth ship, making a hostile trip deep through enemy territory, with no friendly bases or planets, the crew of the Voyager, er, that is, Enterprise...hey, wait a minute!
Remeber when Enterprise was coming out, we were told it took place before
shields and transporters and etc? In the first episode they have transporters
and use them, they have hull plating (shields by any other name...), now photonic
torpedoes and phase cannons.
Oy!
Thanks,
Dave
Post by: ActiveX on May 07, 2004, 07:22:32 am
Post by: frazzle on May 07, 2004, 07:39:59 am
Post by: FFZ on May 07, 2004, 11:22:16 am
To bad there is no section 31 available to steal the plans to a decent starship, instead of the shieldless warp deficient Enterprise.
Post by: David Ferrell on May 08, 2004, 07:28:54 am
between shields and hull plating? They use the same terminology, they have
the same affect.
Remeber when Enterprise was coming out, we were told it took place before
shields and transporters and etc? In the first episode they have transporters
and use them, they have hull plating (shields by any other name...), now photonic
torpedoes and phase cannons.
Oy!
Thanks,
Dave
Post by: Lieutenant_Q on May 08, 2004, 12:22:47 pm
Post by: IKV Nemesis D7L on May 08, 2004, 01:23:43 pm
Quote:
It may not have shields, but it has hull plating. Can anyone tell me the differnce
between shields and hull plating? They use the same terminology, they have
the same affect.
Remeber when Enterprise was coming out, we were told it took place before
shields and transporters and etc? In the first episode they have transporters
and use them, they have hull plating (shields by any other name...), now photonic
torpedoes and phase cannons.
Oy!
Thanks,
Dave
I would say that hull plating is like TNGs "structural integrity fields" just more primitive.
If B&B had come out at the beginning and put in an episode that indicated the movie First Contact had caused a mirror universe type split that resulted in a new timeline being born and that Enterprise had been set in that timeline I think that people would hate it less.
Long ago when a friend asked me how I would reconcile the Enterprise show with the rest of Trek I proposed an episode where Worf and the newly overhauled Defiant (with other TNG crew members as well) used the Borg time travel system to travel ~100 years back in time to investigate whether that past matched the present of TNG. The mission would be justified by discrepancies between the NCC-1701E records of First Contact (Cochrane, Riker and LaForge flying the Phoenx) and the Federation records that were in disagreement (Cochrane, Lily and ??) flying the Phoenix. An attack on the missile complex vs none. Lists of dead in the attack that the Federation records whow living long and influential lives.
The Defiant could travel back and count on their cloak to protect them from interfering. They would of course be nearby when cloaked Suliban ships attacked the Enterprise NX-1 and the Enterprise cloaking detector would show them as well.
Post by: Praxis on May 08, 2004, 01:45:58 pm
Why?
If you get in a fight against a little enemy, and kill him pretty quickly, and only take a little damage, with shields they'll recharge by the next battle.
If you have armor, even the smallest ship firing will damage your armor, and you'll have to go get it repaired eventually.
Armor is more expensive, doesn't recharge, and you can transport right through it.
Post by: FFZ on May 08, 2004, 11:30:53 pm
Quote:If I understand it correctly, they 'polarize' the armor (I assume they add a magnetic field) that can deflect a certain amount of focused energy.
It may not have shields, but it has hull plating. Can anyone tell me the differnce
between shields and hull plating? They use the same terminology, they have
the same affect.
Shielding as I see it is energy held in a matrix, not in metal (like armor) so nothing physical is damaged as the field degrades from energy hits.
Quote:And before they were the only earth ship, making a hostile trip deep through enemy territory, with no friendly bases or planets, the crew of the Voyager, er, that is, Enterprise...hey, wait a minute!
Remeber when Enterprise was coming out, we were told it took place before
shields and transporters and etc? In the first episode they have transporters
and use them, they have hull plating (shields by any other name...), now photonic
torpedoes and phase cannons.
Oy!
Thanks,
Dave