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Just how long have you been out of the loop????

Instructions for installing IE 6.0 on Linux under WinE

http://frankscorner.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=49&page=1

So I don't know what I am talking about eh?

Ah yes, WINE.
Why the heck would you WANT to do that?
That's running the Windows version of IE through a compatability layer, aka Wine, using Windows API's. It's bound to be slower and buggier than even the Windows version!

Most Linux users DO NOT use that. In fact, a large portion of Linux users DO NOT even have WINE installed! Let's go ask a few Linux users, eh? Most of them have Mozilla Firebird, Firefox, Mozilla, or Opera.

I have known many Linux users- NO ONE uses IE for Windows.

IE for windows is recommended there as a test for WINE, which is essentually Windows emulation (I know what Wine stands for, don't worry) without processor emulation like most other emulators.

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heck even on the Linux boards.. many people are asking how to install IE 6.0 on their systems and 90% of the sources refer to the site listed above for installation..

Yup, people who've just switched to Linux and are used to IE...not seasoned Linux vets that know what IE actually is.
I know a few people that would just shake their head and laugh at you (both Linux and Mac users) for defending IE.

And the only reason IE is so popular, of course, is that it's bundled with Windows. Most people don't bother to go find another browser with popup blocking, tab browsing, and more advanced features. Look at the Mac community.

The later versions of Mac OS 9, and Mac OS X 10.0 and 10.1, all shipped with Internet Explorer as the default browser. Netscape on OS 9 was slow crap, so OS 9 users had to use IE. Some OS X users switched to Mozilla, but most just used IE, "because it was there," JUST LIKE WINDOWS USERS.

Mac OS X 10.2 comes out. It ships with TWO browsers- a BETA of Apple's new Safari browser (0.8 I believe), and Internet Explorer. Safari has popup blocking, tab browsing, etc. Within a few months, most Mac users were now using Safari instead of IE, but some still had to use IE to view some pages.

Well along came Panther, 10.3. We're now on Safari 1.2 (I think, lose track with all the updates). It can view any webpage IE can.

The funny thing is that some banks and pages actually put BLOCKS in place, letting Internet Explorer users in only. It tells you, "you must have internet explorer to view this site."

So there's a hidden little feature called debug mode that people started sharing with their friends. When activated, Safari TELLS web pages that it is Internet Explorer.

The result? Those IE only web pages, that block out anything else... Don't block Safari users. And even though they're supposedly IE only, we can see them just fine.

Well, a couple months after the Panther released, Microsoft basicly announced that Safari is a great browser, way better than IE, so they were going to stop developing IE for Mac as there wasn't enough market anymore.

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Man, i do a lot of research and keep up on tech.. yes IE has holes, but when they are found, they are plugged, and just by changing the security and privacy settings just a little in IE Properties, you close 90% of the holes.. but that requires a little more research on the what to change.. i can post you a guide if you like

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... and because web developers are sloppy.. or those that are teaching themselves, IE is a wonderful tool for them to use as it will at least build their confidence enough to keep going by giving them visual results... Not everyone can afford $500 to $10,000 for a web site to be built for them.. IE is a fantastic tool to learning web design.. then as they learn more, they can make their pages cross browser compatible...

Please. What you're telling me, is that it's GOOD that it lets people be sloppy?
What I would appreciate is a browser that tells me WHAT is wrong, and how to fix it, rather than acting like everything's okay. Why haven't other browsers done this autocorrection stuff? Easy, if every browser had their own set of rules as to what will go and what can't, we'll have browser wars all over again.

THE STANDARDS WERE SET IN PLACE TO PREVENT THIS! People don't REALIZE that their pages are Internet Explorer only, because they THINK it works fine, and IE doesn't tell them that their coding sucks. If Internet Explorer JUST FOLLOWED THE STANDARDS instead of adding their extra stuff, EVERYTHING WOULD WORK TOGETHER. It's called "leveraging a monopoly,"...simply, Microsoft can make people use IE by putting it in their OS, then by adding little extra bits in IE, they can make web developers 'accidentally' create IE only web pages, getting users *stuck* with Internet Explorer.

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as for PNG and your mighty Proper Coding Techniques... why then don't they follow proper PNG instruction sets for IE?

Oh, so your solution is, "why don't developers use IE's stuff instead of standard stuff?" Simple- we want to follow the standards. Why don't YOU follow the proper HTML sets for Mozilla and EVERY OTHER BROWSER?

To quote someone's signature:

If this image has gray backgrounds, you're using Internet Explorer for Windows, the only major browser which does not fully support PNG-24. Use Firefox, instead.

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as such here is PNG Code support for the source code for html 4.4 for web designers who want PNG to show in IE.. plus PNG is on the books for native support in IE for the next release...

basic Example :
Code:


<html>
<head></head>
<body bgColor="blue">
<!-- This DIV is the target container for the image.  -->
<DIV ID="oDiv" STYLE="position:absolute; left:140px; height:400; width:400;
     filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(
     src='image.png', sizingMethod='scale');" >
</DIV>
</body>
</html>

or this Functional code set :

Code:

<SCRIPT>
var bToggle = 1

<!-- Toggle the sizingMethod property to resize the image.  -->
function fnToggle(oObj) {
    if (bToggle) {                                                        
        bToggle = 0;
        oDiv.filters(0).sizingMethod="image";
        oObj.innerText='Enlarge It';}
    else {
        bToggle = 1;
        oDiv.filters(0).sizingMethod="scale";
        oObj.innerText='Make Normal';}
}
</SCRIPT>
        
<!-- This DIV is the target container for the image.  -->        
    <DIV ID="oDiv" STYLE="position:relative; height:250px; width:250px;         
        filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(
            src='/workshop/graphics/earglobe.png', sizingMethod='scale');" >
        </DIV>

<BR><BUTTON onclick="fnToggle(this);">Make Normal</BUTTON>

Reference :
http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/filter/reference/filters/alphaimageloader.asp

and also if people used proper coding of XML :

http://theultralist.com/xml/

Sooo.. what is your other problems with IE?

Yet, I doubt you can see the image above *properly*...
Don't make me call in my Linux and Mac friends to explain this to you...

Neo-nerds...LMAO

Please excuse me if these posts are a little bit offensive; it's what the people actually said.

I showed what you said to a Mac user I know in Holland. The only thing he said was, "Idiot."

I showed what you said about IE being the best browser to a Mac user I know taking Cisco Networking Certification. He just laughed and shook his head. He had deleted IE right off his Mac's hard drive because he hated it.

I showed what you said to a Linux/Windows user. His response? "Some people just like being ignorant. Even if I was using Windows instead of Linux, I would never touch IE." When he hit the part about 75% of Mac users using IE, he practically chocked and said, "What? How? Through Wine? Only a few people use Wine for everything, and almost nobody uses IE through it!"

Pestalence...you're the first person I've ever seen who actually loves IE, having tried the others.

As for what you've said about ActiveX, as I understand it the only place that uses ActiveX (microsoft's attempt at defeating Java, that failed miserably) is Microsoft Update...practically everything else is viruses, since ActiveX can easily take over your computer. Since Windows Update essentially blocks anything but IE, I simply don't download an ActiveX plugin, and I'm *perfectly* secure.

And BTW...there are all kinds of spyware and viruses that only effect IE. You should see what my mother did to my old computer, it's filled with IE popup spyware, and IE bar ad spyware, and spyware that changes the homepage constantly, etc etc...NONE OF THAT EFFECTS MOZILLA!

Since Mozilla can view almost any page IE can unless the webmaster is an idiot/can't program properly, and views flash and everything else just fine, I have no use for IE except to use Windows update. I almost never touch IE anymore.

Please excuse me if these posts are a little bit offensive; it's what the people actually said.

I showed what you said to a Mac user I know in Holland. The only thing he said was, "Idiot."

I showed what you said about IE being the best browser to a Mac user I know taking Cisco Networking Certification. He just laughed and shook his head. He had deleted IE right off his Mac's hard drive because he hated it.

I showed what you said to a Linux/Windows user. His response? "Some people just like being ignorant. Even if I was using Windows instead of Linux, I would never touch IE." When he hit the part about 75% of Mac users using IE, he practically chocked and said, "What? How? Through Wine? Only a few people use Wine for everything, and almost nobody uses IE through it!"

Pestalence...you're the first person I've ever seen who actually loves IE, having tried the others.

As for what you've said about ActiveX, as I understand it the only place that uses ActiveX (microsoft's attempt at defeating Java, that failed miserably) is Microsoft Update...practically everything else is viruses, since ActiveX can easily take over your computer. Since Windows Update essentially blocks anything but IE, I simply don't download an ActiveX plugin, and I'm *perfectly* secure.

And BTW...there are all kinds of spyware and viruses that only effect IE. You should see what my mother did to my old computer, it's filled with IE popup spyware, and IE bar ad spyware, and spyware that changes the homepage constantly, etc etc...NONE OF THAT EFFECTS MOZILLA!

Since Mozilla can view almost any page IE can unless the webmaster is an idiot/can't program properly, and views flash and everything else just fine, I have no use for IE except to use Windows update. I almost never touch IE anymore.

Please excuse me if these posts are a little bit offensive; it's what the people actually said.

I showed what you said to a Mac user I know in Holland. The only thing he said was, "Idiot."

I showed what you said about IE being the best browser to a Mac user I know taking Cisco Networking Certification. He just laughed and shook his head. He had deleted IE right off his Mac's hard drive because he hated it.

I showed what you said to a Linux/Windows user. His response? "Some people just like being ignorant. Even if I was using Windows instead of Linux, I would never touch IE." When he hit the part about 75% of Mac users using IE, he practically chocked and said, "What? How? Through Wine? Only a few people use Wine for everything, and almost nobody uses IE through it!"

Pestalence...you're the first person I've ever seen who actually loves IE, having tried the others.

As for what you've said about ActiveX, as I understand it the only place that uses ActiveX (microsoft's attempt at defeating Java, that failed miserably) is Microsoft Update...practically everything else is viruses, since ActiveX can easily take over your computer. Since Windows Update essentially blocks anything but IE, I simply don't download an ActiveX plugin, and I'm *perfectly* secure.

And BTW...there are all kinds of spyware and viruses that only effect IE. You should see what my mother did to my old computer, it's filled with IE popup spyware, and IE bar ad spyware, and spyware that changes the homepage constantly, etc etc...NONE OF THAT EFFECTS MOZILLA!

Since Mozilla can view almost any page IE can unless the webmaster is an idiot/can't program properly, and views flash and everything else just fine, I have no use for IE except to use Windows update. I almost never touch IE anymore.

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