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Title: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: Captain KoraH on March 03, 2003, 06:42:11 pm
I've not been able to confidently say exactly what it does, if anything.  
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: Kehakoul on March 03, 2003, 07:07:19 pm
Its an indicator ..
 It basicaly states if, or if not the ship is infested by Tribbles..



CM.E.Kehakoul_XC  
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: Holocat on March 03, 2003, 07:27:39 pm
I'm not sure if this is what you're asking, but the cargo value on a ship (in SFC 1, EAW and OP) is a part of the damage it can take;  On a DAC, if you were to roll and hit 'cargo,' and you HAVE a cargo value, a point gets subtracted from that value.  It essentially absorbs damage.  

Surrender and your catfood will be spared,

Holocat.
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: ChamadaIV on March 03, 2003, 08:03:20 pm
A better string like "hp" (hit point) could have been used rather than *snicker*   "cargo." Programmers...I'll never truly understand them.    
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: hobbesmaster on March 03, 2003, 08:07:58 pm
Quote:

A better string like "hp" (hit point) could have been used rather than *snicker*   "cargo." Programmers...I'll never truly understand them.    




But that would just cut off all ties to SFB then, wouldn't it?  
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: David Ferrell on March 03, 2003, 08:08:18 pm
Cargo adds strictly to the mass of a ship without adding to it's "hit points".

This is used for Freighters to make them move and turn slowly like freighters
without having a ton of "hit points" like a battleship.

Makes perfect sense now, dosen't it.

Thanks,

Dave  
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: ChamadaIV on March 03, 2003, 08:38:41 pm
Quote:

Quote:

A better string like "hp" (hit point) could have been used rather than *snicker*   "cargo." Programmers...I'll never truly understand them.    




But that would just cut off all ties to SFB then, wouldn't it?  




Hehe, sorry but I had throw in some RPG flavor into the thread. Foolish things are sometimes said on my part just so that I may be corrected by more knowledgeable folks such as yourself. This is one way I learn new things.  

Obviously, I've never played Amarillo's SFB....  

Quote:

Cargo adds strictly to the mass of a ship without adding to it's "hit points".

This is used for Freighters to make them move and turn slowly like freighters
without having a ton of "hit points" like a battleship.

Makes perfect sense now, dosen't it.  

Thanks,

Dave






Yes and no.  

Are you saying that now (in SFC3), the cargo value in said .txt file affects only the turn rates of ships? Holocat mentioned earlier about it being a factor on damage absorbtion in prior SFC incarnations. Since SFC3 offers multiple levels of armor (I - V), I would imagine that the "cargo" value no longer has such an effect. Am I on to something here, or am I missing the target?  
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: Holocat on March 03, 2003, 08:49:20 pm
In sfc 1, EAW and OP there's an armour value too.  It acts more like 'hitpoints' than cargo does in said games.

I'm not positive that SFC uses a DAC, to tell the truth, but it seems likely.

Cargo may have 'hitpoints,' but they don't nessisarily need to be depleted for a ship to die, so they're not quite hitpoints.

I never heard of SFB myself before SFC, but to tell the truth, I kinda like it.  

Cats will not willingly wear sunglasses, but they cannot resist the power of Scotch Tape,

Holocat.
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: Xantim on March 03, 2003, 09:05:20 pm
Cargo add's to the ship mass (mass affects speed and turn like adding a bigger warp does) WITHOUT adding to it's "HP"
Yes, SFC3 uses a DAC and no you cant hit "cargo spaces" like in previous SFC's
 
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: Aenigma on March 04, 2003, 09:58:56 am
Xantim's right. While Cueball was coding BattleClinic and i was shooting bugs, i noticed that the Borg ships were very fast. Apparently the Cargo Space adds mass wthout doing anything. When Cueball added cargo space to the mass calculation, the speeds turned out the right way.

Aenigma  
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: Credo Narth on March 04, 2003, 10:22:17 am
Surely the cargo space has a direct effect on the size of the bar fridge you can install...?
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: Captain KoraH on March 07, 2003, 01:09:25 am
Thanks a lot for the insight Dave.
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: Darktide on March 07, 2003, 02:41:50 am
Yea, after i mentioned to you korah about the bioship I had a play with the cargo space values myself. Once borg armour is gone the hull strength till takes a while to work down, the only factor i could see that was different for them was the cargo space figure. But i now know that doesnt effect hp's. If anyone has an idea what it might be, id be grateful.  
Title: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: Captain KoraH on March 03, 2003, 06:42:11 pm
I've not been able to confidently say exactly what it does, if anything.  
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: Kehakoul on March 03, 2003, 07:07:19 pm
Its an indicator ..
 It basicaly states if, or if not the ship is infested by Tribbles..



CM.E.Kehakoul_XC  
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: Holocat on March 03, 2003, 07:27:39 pm
I'm not sure if this is what you're asking, but the cargo value on a ship (in SFC 1, EAW and OP) is a part of the damage it can take;  On a DAC, if you were to roll and hit 'cargo,' and you HAVE a cargo value, a point gets subtracted from that value.  It essentially absorbs damage.  

Surrender and your catfood will be spared,

Holocat.
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: ChamadaIV on March 03, 2003, 08:03:20 pm
A better string like "hp" (hit point) could have been used rather than *snicker*   "cargo." Programmers...I'll never truly understand them.    
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: hobbesmaster on March 03, 2003, 08:07:58 pm
Quote:

A better string like "hp" (hit point) could have been used rather than *snicker*   "cargo." Programmers...I'll never truly understand them.    




But that would just cut off all ties to SFB then, wouldn't it?  
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: David Ferrell on March 03, 2003, 08:08:18 pm
Cargo adds strictly to the mass of a ship without adding to it's "hit points".

This is used for Freighters to make them move and turn slowly like freighters
without having a ton of "hit points" like a battleship.

Makes perfect sense now, dosen't it.

Thanks,

Dave  
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: ChamadaIV on March 03, 2003, 08:38:41 pm
Quote:

Quote:

A better string like "hp" (hit point) could have been used rather than *snicker*   "cargo." Programmers...I'll never truly understand them.    




But that would just cut off all ties to SFB then, wouldn't it?  




Hehe, sorry but I had throw in some RPG flavor into the thread. Foolish things are sometimes said on my part just so that I may be corrected by more knowledgeable folks such as yourself. This is one way I learn new things.  

Obviously, I've never played Amarillo's SFB....  

Quote:

Cargo adds strictly to the mass of a ship without adding to it's "hit points".

This is used for Freighters to make them move and turn slowly like freighters
without having a ton of "hit points" like a battleship.

Makes perfect sense now, dosen't it.  

Thanks,

Dave






Yes and no.  

Are you saying that now (in SFC3), the cargo value in said .txt file affects only the turn rates of ships? Holocat mentioned earlier about it being a factor on damage absorbtion in prior SFC incarnations. Since SFC3 offers multiple levels of armor (I - V), I would imagine that the "cargo" value no longer has such an effect. Am I on to something here, or am I missing the target?  
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: Holocat on March 03, 2003, 08:49:20 pm
In sfc 1, EAW and OP there's an armour value too.  It acts more like 'hitpoints' than cargo does in said games.

I'm not positive that SFC uses a DAC, to tell the truth, but it seems likely.

Cargo may have 'hitpoints,' but they don't nessisarily need to be depleted for a ship to die, so they're not quite hitpoints.

I never heard of SFB myself before SFC, but to tell the truth, I kinda like it.  

Cats will not willingly wear sunglasses, but they cannot resist the power of Scotch Tape,

Holocat.
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: Xantim on March 03, 2003, 09:05:20 pm
Cargo add's to the ship mass (mass affects speed and turn like adding a bigger warp does) WITHOUT adding to it's "HP"
Yes, SFC3 uses a DAC and no you cant hit "cargo spaces" like in previous SFC's
 
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: Aenigma on March 04, 2003, 09:58:56 am
Xantim's right. While Cueball was coding BattleClinic and i was shooting bugs, i noticed that the Borg ships were very fast. Apparently the Cargo Space adds mass wthout doing anything. When Cueball added cargo space to the mass calculation, the speeds turned out the right way.

Aenigma  
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: Credo Narth on March 04, 2003, 10:22:17 am
Surely the cargo space has a direct effect on the size of the bar fridge you can install...?
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: Captain KoraH on March 07, 2003, 01:09:25 am
Thanks a lot for the insight Dave.
Title: Re: What exactly does the "cargo" value do in defaultcore.txt??
Post by: Darktide on March 07, 2003, 02:41:50 am
Yea, after i mentioned to you korah about the bioship I had a play with the cargo space values myself. Once borg armour is gone the hull strength till takes a while to work down, the only factor i could see that was different for them was the cargo space figure. But i now know that doesnt effect hp's. If anyone has an idea what it might be, id be grateful.