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Taldrenites => Dynaverse II Experiences => Topic started by: Fluf on July 02, 2004, 09:40:01 pm
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The Litterbox 5 Test server is up and running. It is using stock missions and the Dip Shiplist, which you can get from the link Julin posted, or go to www.battleclinic.com and register there and it will be in the downloads section.
This is not the map that will be used in the campaign. It will similar. I will be posting more announcements, CnC and rules later. Until then, just have some fun. Any problems post here.
The SFC3 server will come up later tonight and the downloads for it will be posted on Battleclinic very early in the morning.
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Looks like Fluf got his pie baked at last!!!!
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
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<Think of Bill Shatner trapped in ST2> FLUFFFF!!!
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<Think of Bill Shatner trapped in ST2> FLUFFFF!!!
(http://69.115.120.11:9000/images/fluf.jpg)
<Snicker>
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GJ Fluf :notworthy:
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Gj Fluf (Where do we post bug reports, btw?)
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Logged on, played a bit. Looking forward to the single SFC3 download. Now, maybe I can move the kids PC to the same room, it's on the LAN, then load up SFC2 on one and...
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You can post bugs here if you find them. I already know of several issues which Im going to fix tongiht. FQ freighters are showing up in the yards and will be restricted out server side. I am still tweaking ship costs. Got rid of the Diplomatic mission. Im going to switch some setting tonight to have the years run faster so we can get through to at least the start of Late era before the server starts. Hoping to get rules and registration done tonight for battlclinic forums.
And for those of you who havent checked out SFC3 in awhile. The SFC3 test server is up to. Check the dynaverse 3 Experience forums for the downloads.
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Fluf !!
Met30_Salvage has got to go....stuuuuupid !!!
Also, draft radius is at 1 not 0.
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Also, remember that stock convoy raid/escorts draw in allies as enemies !!!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Also, remember that stock convoy raid/escorts draw in allies as enemies !!!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Hmmm... let's leave this one in...
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Also, remember that stock convoy raid/escorts draw in allies as enemies !!!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Hmmm... let's leave this one in...
<snickers> Are you sure Hexx?
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Also, remember that stock convoy raid/escorts draw in allies as enemies !!!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Hmmm... let's leave this one in...
<snickers> Are you sure Hexx?
Yep, just as long as I remember to buy one of the KR series...
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Also, remember that stock convoy raid/escorts draw in allies as enemies !!!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Hmmm... let's leave this one in...
<snickers> Are you sure Hexx?
Yep, just as long as I remember to buy one of the KR series...
Yes but are you not worried that the people you are flying with will go out of there way just to find you and do the same to you?
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<Think of Bill Shatner trapped in ST2> FLUFFFF!!!
([url]http://69.115.120.11:9000/images/fluf.jpg[/url])
<Snicker>
Sorry, I was on my period that day.
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Also, remember that stock convoy raid/escorts draw in allies as enemies !!!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Hmmm... let's leave this one in...
<snickers> Are you sure Hexx?
Yep, just as long as I remember to buy one of the KR series...
Yes but are you not worried that the people you are flying with will go out of there way just to find you and do the same to you?
Nah, they're kinda slow of mind..
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What's up with the stock missions? Has the DIP list even been tested with NW or EEK misssions? I think the time between now and the campaign start (less than a week away, is that right??) will be essential for sorting out pertinent issues. A stock server is not going to reveal much I don't think.
Oops, just saw it is supposed to start tomorrow. Unless I missed something missions looked stock to me,
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Its a known fact that both NWs and Karnaks missions are suffering from the double fighter bug. Karnak was working on his and was going to try to get some ready for me. But I havent heard from him.
Although I would like to use both their missions, Im not going through 3 weeks of bugged missions and complaining. Im also not going to do what happened to GW2. Ive set the difficulty up for the stock missions, and with the new DIP list, many of the droners, escorts and carriers will be seeing higher BPV AI.
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Ah, I had no idea you intended to go with stock missions. Haven't we had this double fighter bug for awhile now? Why not just live with it and put in some decent missions? I won't fly a stock missions server. No great loss, I am sure. Perhaps I'll go SFC3 for this campaign, if I fly at all.
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Fluf:
Draft radius still set at 1 as recently as last night.
How expensive are bases going to be???
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I think the DIPshiplist may be a little out of kilter, certaimly as far as the Kzin are concerned.
I have been playing a DF, DIP BPV 99. I have met many much bigger ships than I even with inflated BPV. So I decided to have a quick trawl through Klink, Fed, Rommie and Kzin. Chose semi randomly as there was little point in saying any ships which had no chance of being flow.
Listed ships are type, followed by DIP BPV according to vessel library (DIP list installed per Jlins installler).
Klinks:
RKL 119
MD5 118
D6 118
D5KR 114
D5 110
FwV 106 (6*ftrs)
FWC 104
FWK 104
Fw5 101
E7 148
D7VK 145
D7T 143
D7L 143
D6DR 142
D7C 141
D5D 141
D6MR 135
HF5xx 135-147
C7 195
C5 192
FDW 169
DWV 164
DWC 163
Feds
FFV+ 68
DD 94
DDL 94
ECL 95
DW 98
DWC 112
DWD 112
DER 116
NCL 118
NCLR 122
CA 125
DWV 126
CLV 129
CAR 129
CLD 129
CC 137
CAR+R 140
HDW1-3 144
CLC 149
NAL 146
CB 169
NCF 169
BCF 182
BCE 196
BCG 197
CVLT 142
DN 180
CVA 302
SCS 324
Romulan
SEL 80
SKE 84
K5L 87
KR 101
SPF 106
SPH+ 110
SPA 111
KRB 117
SPL 118
SBH1 122
KDR 123
KE 123
KRM 128
K7R 133
SPM 136
KWR 143
KRC 150
FHK 159
KRCS 161
KVL 162
KCR 196
RGK 160
TH 200
KHK 200
SHR 205
Kzinti
FFK 90
DW 97
DF 99
DD 103
DFR 106
DD+ 107
DWL 111
DWD 111
DWV 116
DWLR 118
CS 129
CM 129
BF 136
CM+ 136
MEC 137
CD 138
MDC 140
CA 141
CVL 141
MCC 141
BC 143
MCV 146
BC+ 147
CC 150
MDC+ 150
HDW2 151
NEC 156
HDWC2 156
HDW3 157
NCF 167
HDWC3 162
NCC 167
CCH 168
HDW1 169
HDWc1 174
CV 181
HDWV 192
CVD 244
CVS+ 212
BCH 216
CVA 260
SCS 279
Now I realise these BPVs only affect AI battles and the PP that you pay is the PvP cost but something is wrong.
CM, D5, NCL, SPHA are all the same generation of new light cruisers but BPV here is 129, 110, 118, and 111. While the Rommie, Klink and Freds are comparable the Kzin is way out the range. It would seem that no account has been taken of shielding, turnmode, transporters or the like in the "combat effectiveness" if it has why such a disparity in "line" CLs.
Similar comparisons can be made throughout the list. I didn't put in Klink "FFs" as the usable Kzin ones started in the 90's and so will be facing CLs from other races.
The FWV has 6 fighters and has a BPV of 106, less than a Kzin DD+
A CM+ is apparently a matchup for a CC( Fed) and better than a CAR, CLV, and CLD, or in Rommie terms KDR, KE, or K7R. Add in the BPV bonus the AI gets of say 15% and add say another 20 BPV (roughly) and the BPV match ups are KRCs, FHKs and KVLs.
Get a Kzin HDWC1 and its match ups at 174 will be C7s.
The Good old mainstay the DF with its massive 14 front shield and useless range 10 dizzy will be facing D5,RKL,MD5,D5KR,D5K,DER,NCL,etc etc.
If I were dumb enough to fly a Kzin CV my match ups wotld be KHKs, THs, C7s, C5s, Fed DNs and a wall their BCHs.
You all get the idea. Now these missions are 1v1 patrol styles, when the new missions with 2 or thre such opponents it will be very difficult and certainly no fun. The more so when you consider that the Allies the Kzin will have will be similarly neutered. The effect of the "combat effectiveness" DIP rating AND multiple new ship missions will make life very difficult indeed, and I have to question whether it will be fun enough to play. On top of that you still have to pay for the drones. Now the Feds and Klinks have very viable none drone main fleets, the Kzin do not, and have nothing to fall back on. The CM is supposed to be the mainstay of the fleet, but is way too costly, even if it had it's original (in SFB) 27 warp, rather than the neutered 24 here. The HDDs for the Kzin cost as much if not more than a CCH and the CV variant as much as TH or C7!
I realise lots have work has gone into the list, but fear that the anti drone lobby has won out and this is compounded by the new multiple missions with AI matchups in the +115% area. Hell a TH or KHK can kill very fast and are very survivable, and don't need to resupply (yes I know the Rommies are coalition, but the DIPlist is not just for LB5).
Klink, Fed and Rommie HDDs look like bargains, even AI piloted MD5s do damage to weak shields and they turn on a dime.
I realise this sounds like whinging, but just look at the list and the matchups. I will fly more on the test server, and hope my initial fears and experiences are abberations and not the norm.
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I would assume it is some effect of a drone bump for the Kzins. I think if you look at similar 6 drone rack ships in other races they got bumps as well. For instance D5D is 141. That's in the CA range. Perhaps the drone bump is just too large in general.
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I would assume it is some effect of a drone bump for the Kzins. I think if you look at similar 6 drone rack ships in other races they got bumps as well. For instance D5D is 141. That's in the CA range. Perhaps the drone bump is just too large in general.
That is very possible, but we can't really say it is a known until LB5 has been completed. I played a good number of missions in the test server w/ a Z-CL, -CC, -DNE, and -CVAR, the AI enemy were not a problem ... but I must note that is against stock missions, not ED, Tracey, or Karnak missions. Since LB5 will be a go with stock missions, I doubt there will be a problem for this one. But it might take some looking into for follow-on servers with this list that use the tweaked missions.
PS - The Z-MCC should be listed as ... oh, lets say 80 BPV ... yeah that seems about right ... ;)
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Well, Bonk... there is more than meets the eye when you look at the DIP list. It does seem out of whack, but there are current;y 2x different methods for getting enemy AI. Class Type, which you didnt take into account, and then of course bpv.
What you get in mission will depend on many things. Certainty is not one of them. So just try it out. And dont formulate an opinion just using stock missions, there is another system of AI spawning that will occur entirely differently using an EEK pack.
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I would assume it is some effect of a drone bump for the Kzins. I think if you look at similar 6 drone rack ships in other races they got bumps as well. For instance D5D is 141. That's in the CA range. Perhaps the drone bump is just too large in general.
That is very possible, but we can't really say it is a known until LB5 has been completed. I played a good number of missions in the test server w/ a Z-CL, -CC, -DNE, and -CVAR, the AI enemy were not a problem ... but I must note that is against stock missions, not ED, Tracey, or Karnak missions. Since LB5 will be a go with stock missions, I doubt there will be a problem for this one. But it might take some looking into for follow-on servers with this list that use the tweaked missions.
PS - The Z-MCC should be listed as ... oh, lets say 80 BPV ... yeah that seems about right ... ;)
Well, that's one of the reasons we're having this shindig this way...
Live test, under fire, of the DIP formulae...
If things are out of whack, we'll readjust for next time...
(and if you get the MCC at 80 BPV, we want a CCZ at 150... :D )
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Well, that's one of the reasons we're having this shindig this way...
Live test, under fire, of the DIP formulae...
If things are out of whack, we'll readjust for next time...
(and if you get the MCC at 80 BPV, we want a CCZ at 150... :D )
Well...You'd better plan on running another server then...with a traditional set up...