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Taldrenites => General Starfleet Command Forum => Topic started by: Sandman on July 29, 2004, 04:02:48 am
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Greetings,
This is Sandman, Fleet Admiral of the 11th Fleet Rangers. I am making this reply to clarify that we are not in any way affiliated with the spartan vanguard or the BOTA knights.
For everyone's information, the 11th Fleet Rangers are the ORIGINAL SFC 11th Fleet. We exitsted on the dynaverse from before the start of SFC3. We are a Federation Fleet based ONLY in the SFC realm which includes EAW, OP, and SFC3. I don't want there to be any confusion as to who we are...
I am the Fleet Admiral of our fleet and Albino Knife is the First Officer. Any questions or comments feel free to contact me at: sandman807@earthlink.net
Thanx,
(fyi... this is a copy of a post made in the IOGC forums)
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That being said we are looking for quality pilots to join our fleet. We boast over 20 years of combined SFC experience. If SFC is your thing and you like to fly fed give me a call. All are invited to check our fourm and our website out.
Website at: http://home.earthlink.net/~sandman807/
Forum at: http://p067.ezboard.com/beleventhfleetxi
We look forward to hearing from and speaking to anyone interested... :)
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Well Sandman iv know you over 3 years and I'm a Friend of your fleet and i know what you speak is the truth.
Sounds like WT is just trying to steal your Fleet name :screwloose: :screwloose:
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Of course, WaterTiger is trying to steal something.
Even though the 11th fleet he's a member off was around A LONG time before he joined.
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With all the numbers, who'd of thunk there would be two 11th fleets :lol:
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With all the numbers, who'd of thunk there would be two 11th fleets :lol:
Do a Google search. Easy.
The REAL 11th Fleet has been their since 1996 ... with a rich history and proud pilots.
The name of the 11th Fleet is actually copyrighted.
The 11th Fleet has 80+ active members and has been playing SFC series games and SFC3 for a long time.
Sandman has used the name 11thFleet for over a year and a half and the REAL 11thFleet has been using it for nine years.
This is a slap in the face for proud 11thFleet pilots in the Spartan Vanguard.
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Well it just so happens I will have to correct the mistaken Sandman Admiral 1 each. I know for a fact the 11th Fleet has been around for 7 thats right Seven years that I know of. They were an old RPG fleet from waaaaaaaaaay back. The 11th also made their first appearance if I am not mistaken in Armada and The original SFC 1. So lets not be so hasty to declare ourselves the "original" when your clearly not. But hey it is ok. I am sure you meant no harm naming your fleet the 11th, I am sure you had no Idea that there was an 11th that has been here for, well looks like 4 years before you. Mabey consider a name like 11 1/2 fleet or mabey 11.1 fleet or why not the 15th fleet or 5th platoon or something, Or mabey do nothing. I mean I am sure you will be able to live with it.
GQ[E]TG]-Wildcard-Fadm the original Fleet Admiral of the GQ fleet.
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ROFLMAO sorry Watertiger I had to laugh at your NEGATIVE 125 Karma. So what does that mean anyway? Do you have to go to bed without desert? Or just not collect 200 dollars when playing Monopoly after you pass go?
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ROFLMAO sorry Watertiger I had to laugh at your NEGATIVE 125 Karma. So what does that mean anyway? Do you have to go to bed without desert? Or just not collect 200 dollars when playing Monopoly after you pass go?
Can't talk about my karma. It will get me banned. ;D
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ROFLMAO sorry Watertiger I had to laugh at your NEGATIVE 125 Karma. So what does that mean anyway? Do you have to go to bed without desert? Or just not collect 200 dollars when playing Monopoly after you pass go?
;) I got 3 more negatives in the time you made that post.
The fact that one fleet would slug a headline ORIGINAL makes me sick.
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WaterTiger
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Posted by WT:
The fact that one fleet would slug a headline ORIGINAL makes me sick.
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WaterTiger
Do a Google search. Easy.
The REAL 11th Fleet has been their since 1996 ... with a rich history and proud pilots.
The name of the 11th Fleet is actually copyrighted.
The 11th Fleet has 80+ active members and has been playing SFC series games and SFC3 for a long time.
Sandman has used the name 11thFleet for over a year and a half and the REAL 11thFleet has been using it for nine years.
This is a slap in the face for proud 11thFleet pilots in the Spartan Vanguard.
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Well I happen to know the 11th Fleet has their name copyrighted. They have patent's and Copyright's on their whole name and website. I really feel sorry for the fake 11th when the real 11th which is a business organization comes knocking with their corporate lawyers.
I quote: "The Spartan Vanguard is a non-profit, fan based organization. No copyright infringement intended, All Images, and Concepts present on these sites are property of and copyrighted by their perspective owners; Paramount Studios, Activision, Lucasarts, Sony and The Spartan Vanguard. Images not property of the Spartan Vanguard are public domain or permission was grantted. All other graphics are property of the Spartan Vanguard."
"The Eleventh was originally established December 13, 1996, or rather it's outline, which was established in the forums of the East Wing of the Chathouse at www.chathouse.com. Much of the Fleet's back story and traditions were established in those post-style forums. Overtime, the Spartan Vanguard found its focus shifting from role playing within the The Next Generation universe, to the real time strategy game, Star Trek : Armada."
So I cant wait to see this get all drawn out. Looks like more than Taldren can do the sueing.
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Perhaps you guys should read more closely.... I said "Original SFC 11th Fleet". Not original 11th Fleet.
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Here we go with the Copyright Law:
§ 506. Criminal offenses5
(a) Criminal Infringement. ? Any person who infringes a copyright willfully either ?
(1) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain, or
(2) by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copies of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000.
shall be punished as provided under section 2319 of title 18, United States Code. For purposes of this subsection, evidence of reproduction or distribution of a copyrighted work, by itself, shall not be sufficient to establish willful infringement.
(b) Forfeiture and Destruction. ? When any person is convicted of any violation of subsection (a), the court in its judgment of conviction shall, in addition to the penalty therein prescribed, order the forfeiture and destruction or other disposition of all infringing copies and all implements, devices, or equipment used in the manufacture of such infringing copies or items.
(c) Fraudulent Copyright Notice. ? Any person who, with fraudulent intent, places on any article a notice of copyright or words of the same purport that such person knows to be false, or who, with fraudulent intent, publicly distributes or imports for public distribution any article bearing such notice or words that such person knows to be false, shall be fined not more than $2,500.
(d) Fraudulent Removal of Copyright Notice. ? Any person who, with fraudulent intent, removes or alters any notice of copyright appearing on a copy of a copyrighted work shall be fined not more than $2,500.
(e) False Representation. ? Any person who knowingly makes a false representation of a material fact in the application for copyright registration provided for by section 409, or in any written statement filed in connection with the application, shall be fined not more than $2,500.
(f) Rights of Attribution and Integrity. ? Nothing in this section applies to infringement of the rights conferred by section 106A(a).
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Criminal? ;) :police:
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Firstly, being new to this forum, I will introduce myself. I am Executive Admiral Armor of the 11th Fleet, the XO of the 11th Fleet, and one of five members of the High Command which runs the Spartan Vanguard. Now that who I am has been established, I would like to plead the community to reject this outrage, this slap in the face, this desecration of the rich and proud heritage of the 11th Fleet, which has been going on for 9 years, nearly a decade. A decade of honor, glory, fair play, sportsmanship, and integrity in every sense of the word. This is not about the name of a gaming clan being stolen in SFC3, this is about the raping of an identity of a community that has been in existance longer than half of you here are old. Sandman has stolen our name and has tried to take on our own rich and proud heritage for his own, and this cannot stand. Yes, we have legal power, and we are in the process right now of speaking with our lawyers, who are quite frankly, on a leash at the moment. We do not believe that there is any reason for such hasty steps to be taken. We're coming to the table like men, and I think everyone here knows the truth to what is going on, to what treacherous and insiduous actions Sandman is taking, and on behalf of the 11th, we emplore the community: do not let this stand. Do not let the proud name of a community that has been around for nearly 10 years be raped in public, in front of all of our eyes. This is an atrocity, a disgrace, and it must be stopped, one way or another.
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Yes Criminal. I did not stutter in that post. That is the Federal Copyright Law. The 11th as you should now has had their name copyrighted.
Just as the Guardians of Quonos has our name and website Copyrighted along with our Mod name and website "The Near Distant Future"
And the other GQ Fleet website dynauniverse.net which was created way before dynaverse.net, That is why I feel they had to shorten their name or use dynaverse.net.
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If you are trying to get me or anyone in my fleet to make a flame reply to your recent post, you can keep trying. You will not get such a response. We have honor an dignity in our ranks and don't engage in flame wars. Just be advised we are not easily intimidated, and don't respond to idle threats.
Cheers,
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I am Admiral Ramius of the 11th Fleet. For almost three years I have served the Vanguard, and for five before that, as a leader, I have known and reveered its name. The Eleventh is an organization with a rich herritage, and it has been the best in a multitude of games. The 11th represents a community that has existed for nearly a decade. This is much more than a petty dispute over a name of a minor clan. This is a dispute over the traditional name of a massive and respected community. This defiling of our name is dispicable, and I implore you to change your name, so that we can walk away from this peacefully. Thanks.
~Admiral Ramius
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Yes Criminal. I did not stutter in that post. That is the Federal Copyright Law. The 11th as you should now has had their name copyrighted.
Just as the Guardians of Quonos has our name and website Copyrighted along with our Mod name and website "The Near Distant Future"
And the other GQ Fleet website dynauniverse.net which was created way before dynaverse.net, That is why I feel they had to shorten their name or use dynaverse.net.
Ok, wait a minute Wildcard .. S-T-U-T-T-E-R
Illegal? :police:
Yes, the 11thFleet and name and banner -- all copyrighted. try right clicking even the wording on the site or a logo, the warning comes up.
I mean imagine if a fleet or group called themselves Xenocorp. This end of the community would have a cow. Frey would slap them with a lawsuit so fast it would make someone's head spin.
It's kinda of like the Firesoul issue, but in this case, ripping the fleet pride away from a longtime, old and very, very prideful group of Trek and SFC pilots.
And Sandman says he did a search for 11thFleet in Web search engines before creating the knock-off fleet?
Can't miss it!
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=11thFleet
It's really just sad another fleet has to live on the reputation of another ...
My executive admiral, Armor, heard this tonight and went to SSCF TeamSpeak to discuss the issue with his council members, FAdmPeers, fleet captains, myself, commanders and others.
It was a bad day for Armor. He is a firefighter/paramedic and tonight had a call where a small girl came running into his arms, burned badly from a house fire. She had her lungs seared by the flames and remains in critical condition tonight.
THAT is life. And here we are worrying about fleet tags and pety nonsense!
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Well this is the fact Watertiger, It has really happened. But since it is you, You will gain the blame for this. And I might add some more NEGATIVE Karma. So we know that the real 11th has been around since 1996, this knockoff wannabe fleet has been around since lets say 2000 ish by their own admission. So I gave the second 11th the benifit of doubt and did the google search thing and what did pop up first on the list? The real 11th.
Oh well I just pray for a fast remedy so we dont see a real dyna war. I would hate to see people get ruined and the news on Fox fair and balanced.
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One assumes that all references to the 11th Fleet are just a cheap knock off from the cartoon series Star Blazers in the seventies.
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All opinions stated in this post are that of SkyFlyer, and only SkyFlyer. These posts do not reflect the views or opinions of the 9th fleet. In all senses, in this thread, I am not a 9th fleet member. I am only a bystander in this argument.
This is a slap in the face for proud 11thFleet pilots in the Spartan Vanguard.So you are saying that the XIth are not proud? WT... you apparently do not know these guys.
Well I happen to know the 11th Fleet has their name copyrighted. They have patent's and Copyright's on their whole name and website. I really feel sorry for the fake 11th when the real 11th which is a business organization comes knocking with their corporate lawyers.
Thats nice... but has anyone noticed that Sandman's fleet is the XIth Fleet Rangers... Not the 11th Fleet Spartan Vanguard.
And water tiger... When he searched in google, when he made the fleet, there was no report of an 11th fleet that played star trek games.
Not all things stay constant over a year and a half... And one of the things that dont stay constant are web searches.
11th and XIth are very different... as are Rangers and Spartan Vanguard.
This is not about the name of a gaming clan being stolen in SFC3, this is about the raping of an identity of a community that has been in existance longer than half of you here are old.
Again, your name has not been stolen. Look directly above the quote. I don't think anyone here is raping your identity... If anyone is, it is yourselves in this petty argument.
Now I'm pretty sure that everyone here is over nine years old... And I'm also pretty sure that everyone here is offended by that comment. I know I am, considering you do not know who I am, how old I am, why I am here at these forums. Few people do.
Yes, we have legal power, and we are in the process right now of speaking with our lawyers, who are quite frankly, on a leash at the moment. You know... I don't think court allow animals into their sacred halls. Unless you are saying, metaphorically, that your lawyers are as stupid/ugly/etc as dogs, then my dear friend, I do not comprehend why these lawyers help you. I most certainly would not.
="AdmArmour611thFleet"]Do not let the proud name of a community that has been around for nearly 10 years be raped in public, in front of all of our eyes. This is an atrocity, a disgrace, and it must be stopped, one way or another.
Again, until now, most of these people (my friends), have not even heard of you. Perhaps proud in your own eyes, but so is Saddam Hussein in his own eyes. And I'm sure that no one here is watching a raping, because I sure as hell am not. And you are right on one point. This argument is "... an atrocity, a disgrace, and it must be stopped, one way or another."
I must put forth the difference in name of XIth Fleet Rangers and 11th Fleet Vanguard. Who are the people you have played campaigns with... Who you have chatted with on TeamSpeak (and Roger Wilco for the older guys here ;) ), who you have even joked with. Please, stand on the side that is true and right...
Again, I must state that this post is by me alone. The 9th had nothing to do with this post. In this post I am not a member of the 9th. The 9th is not involved in this.
--SkyFlyer signing out... not F9thSkyFlyer... Just SkyFlyer. (for this thread only of course).
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Perhaps proud in your own eyes, but so is Saddam Hussein in his own eyes.
Excuse me? ::)
The 9thFleet is VERY involved in supporting this knock off fleet.
Have you seen Nanner's Website?
http://69.93.162.185/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=11th_forum
Go look at SFC3.net and the GAW site.
The sad part is the 11thFleet was talking tonight about joining the next GAW round and I spoke up for it and supported it.
Now this!
Nanner has a happy home for the 11th on the SFC3.net site. Isn't that cozy.
(http://www.wackyweaselworld.com/flameINC/images/TS11.jpg)
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Well this is the fact Watertiger, It has really happened. But since it is you, You will gain the blame for this. And I might add some more NEGATIVE Karma. So we know that the real 11th has been around since 1996, this knockoff wannabe fleet has been around since lets say 2000 ish by their own admission. So I gave the second 11th the benifit of doubt and did the google search thing and what did pop up first on the list? The real 11th.
Oh well I just pray for a fast remedy so we dont see a real dyna war. I would hate to see people get ruined and the news on Fox fair and balanced.
The rangers hane been around since SFC1....Round here..that makes them first...
You guys want to come in on the LAST game of a series and give an established fleet the boot?...just cuz you all decided to pick up the game now?
Yeah...THAT represents your fleet very well... ::)
Oh....and you'd better get those lawers going....I found at least 50 groups using "11th fleet" for various games...
As soon as you mention "Star trek" and copywrite they will throw you out of their office...
BTW...did you buy license to use Paramount's copywritten logo's on your website?
Did you pay for a license to use LCARS?....someone OWNS copywrite on that you know... :-\
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I think you guys have missed Sandman's point. After looking at your repective websites, I noticed that the Vanguard doesn't seem to have participated in any of the other SFC titles besides 3, that being the case, I'd think Sandman would have precedence in the SFC 1,2 and OP community and perhaps 3.
I'm sure he'd never dream of butting into your turf in Armada or Elite Force and setting up a competing 11th their when you clearly have the precedent in those arena's.
At any rate, I just wanted to put my nose in where it doesn't belong and isn't needed so I hope no one minds. ;D
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Oh No, I cant believe the reprocussions that are headed this way. Before you know it the Rangers will be on the 11th next, I was in the 2nd of the 75th for 2 years and never seen an 11th.
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BTW..."Dynaverse" IS a registerd trademark....Has been since SFC1.....and this site has permission to use it...THAT"S why the other site is named dyna-universe.....
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Hang on KBF, the Bat phone from Iraq just buzzed.
I got Saddam on the horn -- 1 sec. He wants you to know we are NOT associated with the Republican Guard.
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Perhaps proud in your own eyes, but so is Saddam Hussein in his own eyes.
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I think you guys have missed Sandman's point. After looking at your repective websites, I noticed that the Vanguard doesn't seem to have participated in any of the other SFC titles besides 3, that being the case, I'd think Sandman would have precedence in the SFC 1,2 and OP community and perhaps 3.
I'm sure he'd never dream of butting into your turf in Armada or Elite Force and setting up a competing 11th their when you clearly have the precedent in those arena's.
At any rate, I just wanted to put my nose in where it doesn't belong and isn't needed so I hope no one minds. ;D
So I guess if I name my business Microsoft and sell hotdogs Bill Gates wont get mad or upset.
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The rangers hane been around since SFC1....Round here..that makes them first...
You guys want to come in on the LAST game of a series and give an established fleet the boot?...just cuz you all decided to pick up the game now?
Yeah...THAT represents your fleet very well...
Oh....and you'd better get those lawers going....I found at least 50 groups using "11th fleet" for various games...
As soon as you mention "Star trek" and copywrite they will throw you out of their office...
BTW...did you buy license to use Paramount's copywritten logo's on your website?
WHAT A BUNCH OF crap.i have been playing in star fleet command 1 and star fleet command 2 orion pirates for 3 years altogtether.i have never saw you guys in there.i think this is a bunch of sh*t.also,last game of a seiriez?we have been in armada 1 2 and star fleet comamnd 3.what the heck are you talking about?
give our name back,we have been here for a decade.A DECADE! you have been here fo rless than 2 years.get out.
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Hang on KBF, the Bat phone from Iraq just buzzed.
I got Saddam on the horn -- 1 sec. He wants you to know we are NOT associated with the Republican Guard.
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Perhaps proud in your own eyes, but so is Saddam Hussein in his own eyes.
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Back in 1990 I killed some Republican guard does that mean I am associated with them?
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I think you guys have missed Sandman's point. After looking at your repective websites, I noticed that the Vanguard doesn't seem to have participated in any of the other SFC titles besides 3, that being the case, I'd think Sandman would have precedence in the SFC 1,2 and OP community and perhaps 3.
I'm sure he'd never dream of butting into your turf in Armada or Elite Force and setting up a competing 11th their when you clearly have the precedent in those arena's.
At any rate, I just wanted to put my nose in where it doesn't belong and isn't needed so I hope no one minds. ;D
So I guess if I name my business Microsoft and sell hotdogs Bill Gates wont get mad or upset.
I don't think I'd want to buy hotdogs with the word Microsoft on them ;D
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Keller, were you playing on the Dynaverse?
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What's wrong with Microsoft huh?
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i was playing on dyna and gsa.under diferent names back then of course
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The rangers hane been around since SFC1....Round here..that makes them first...
You guys want to come in on the LAST game of a series and give an established fleet the boot?...just cuz you all decided to pick up the game now?
Yeah...THAT represents your fleet very well...
Oh....and you'd better get those lawers going....I found at least 50 groups using "11th fleet" for various games...
As soon as you mention "Star trek" and copywrite they will throw you out of their office...
BTW...did you buy license to use Paramount's copywritten logo's on your website?
WHAT A BUNCH OF sh*t.i have been playing in star fleet command 1 and star fleet command 2 orion pirates for 3 years altogtether.i have never saw you guys in there.i think this is a bunch of sh*t.also,last game of a seiriez?we have been in armada 1 2 and star fleet comamnd 3.what the **** are you talking about?
give our name back,we have been here for a decade.A DECADE! you have been here fo rless than 2 years.get out.
Exactly. I flew EAW/OP for almost 2 years with FDA and 14G and never saw them either.
(http://www.wackyweaselworld.com/flameINC/images/old8.jpg)
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P.S. Before Rota starts with the Team BOTA versus the BOTAKnights, there was legal contact ... Then we copyrighted our OLD name -- the Brotherhood of Trans-Atlantic Knights. Now the Knights are the 11th and I will back this fleet and its traditions and its right to a soverign name.
Firesoul, you around?
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You know what? I was thinking about Starting a People's Republic of China Right here in Texas. That would make us the Original Texas People's Republic of China.
Then I could demand a seat on the UN Security Council...and threaten to take over Taiwan.
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i was playing on dyna and gsa.under diferent names back then of course
LOL - the fleet presence you have when you don't have a fleet presence
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Ok, just wondering, I know I have seen the rangers on the dyna. I'm not in Gamespy very often so I can't say anything about that.
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um ,i have been on it for 3 years! i think i wouldavce seen them?what?am i blind?-holds up fingers- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10- all there dummy.your fleet wasnt.
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Besides not being able to copyright a number,
The Vanguard fleet shows their tag as 11thFleet, while sandman's fleet shows it as XIFleet. Even
the most closed minded person could see the obvious difference. WaterTiger is the last person I thought I'd see post an opinion such as this . After all, his Bota Knight fleet started as the "Bota Killers" to hunt down "Team Bota", the original owner of the "Bota " name. He later changed the "killers" to "Knights" .
If you are unwilling to acknowledge these facts, let the rest of the argument drop. <S>
Then we copyrighted our OLD name -- the Brotherhood of Trans-Atlantic Knights. Now the Knights are the 11th and I will back this fleet and its traditions and its right to a soverign name.
You copyrighted a name you took from someone else?
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Mark these words:
"Anything WT touches turns to crap"
This would include your fleets reputation...
Dont take my word for it.....ask around...
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I think I will take my 33 acres of land and succeed from the union and call myself the United States of America.
But I will only have 33 states one for each acre, Mabey I could buy 17 more and have 50 states.
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Besides not being able to copyright a number,
The Vanguard fleet shows their tag as 11thFleet, while sandman's fleet shows it as XIFleet. Even
the most closed minded person could see the obvious difference. WaterTiger is the last person I thought I'd see post an opinion such as this . After all, his Bota Knight fleet started as the "Bota Killers" to hunt down "Team Bota", the original owner of the "Bota " name. He later changed the "killers" to "Knights" .
If you are unwilling to acknowledge these facts, let the rest of the argument drop. <S>
Beat you ROTA; read above :o ;D :o
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kbf-crim,your talk sh*t.we are respected by every clan we ocme across.we train our people to be the best.every fight we go in,we kill,we earn respect dumbf*ck.our reputaion is as good as ever.
Admin Edit: There will be no cursing here. Do not curse. Control yourself. Warning ...
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Besides not being able to copyright a number,
The Vanguard fleet shows their tag as 11thFleet, while sandman's fleet shows it as XIFleet. Even
the most closed minded person could see the obvious difference. WaterTiger is the last person I thought I'd see post an opinion such as this . After all, his Bota Knight fleet started as the "Bota Killers" to hunt down "Team Bota", the original owner of the "Bota " name. He later changed the "killers" to "Knights" .
If you are unwilling to acknowledge these facts, let the rest of the argument drop. <S>
Oh, ROTA.
Read again from sfc3.net
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Welcome the the 11th Fleet Forums Sandman 106 15 07/20/04 04:52 AM
by F9thZell
MSN Messenger Sandman 5 0 07/29/04 11:05 PM
by Sandman
11th Fleet TS Channel Sandman 41 2 07/29/04 10:18 PM
by Sandman
11th Fleet Origins Sandman 5 0 07/29/04 10:18 PM
by Sandman
There is another... F9thRyker 172 9 07/29/04 05:01 PM
by NannerSlug
Attn: Braxton Sandman 14 0 07/28/04 11:53 AM
by Sandman
HELP!!!! F9thXavier 38 1 07/25/04 04:23 AM
by F9thZell
Great Fun Last Night Guys Sandman 44 3 07/24/04 10:22 PM
by Anonymous
Albino
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Yeah...boy you're earnin alot of respect now...
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Address the point WT. You assumed another fleets tag on purpose. This incident here is purely coincidence. If you condone your own actions, you must surely support Sandman's position...right?
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Mark these words:
"Anything WT touches turns to crap"
This would include your fleets reputation...
Dont take my word for it.....ask around...
Call the "personal attack police" rofl .. RULE # 2. rofl
Anything KBF touches DIES
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I have tried to spell 11th Fleet several ways but every time I spell it it says 11th Fleet.
XIth Fleet
11th Fleet
1234567891011th Fleet
///////////th Fleet
Go figure.............
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Address the point WT. You assumed another fleets tag on purpose. This incident here is purely coincidence. If you condone your own actions, you must surely support Sandman's position...right?
I faced the legal challenge, Rota. Are you thick?
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dam right i am.you want more?bring it any day.we kill every clan.we win.we train everyday.then you come up,and you say you are 11th?give me a f*cking break!the vangaurd has been around for a DECADE.you been around less then 2 years.we have fought and won major wars,we have made major alliances with everybody.you are a disgrace to 11th.give us back our name,and get out.
Admin Edit: There is no cursing allowed in d.net. Stop the cursing.
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kbf-crim,your talk sh*t.we are respected by every clan we ocme across.we train our people to be the best.every fight we go in,we kill,we earn respect dumbf*ck.our reputaion is as good as ever.
Looks like the standard has been set. Anybody care to lower the bar a little more?
Admin Edit: Yes, the cursing has been warned.
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Crim
This coming from a guy who calls himself a deacon of a non existent church
Worry about your own credibility
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I'm abandoning this thread, its rapidly degenerating at this point into profanity. Perhaps this should be carried on (if it should be necessary to do so) a bit more privately and calmly, it seems some tempers are running a little too high and the post has served its purpose anyway
Edited cause I forgot a D :-[
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cleaven,read my last post you dumf*ck
Admin Edit: There is no cursing allowed.
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kbf-crim,your talk sh*t.we are respected by every clan we ocme across.we train our people to be the best.every fight we go in,we kill,we earn respect dumbf*ck.our reputaion is as good as ever.
Looks like the standard has been set. Anybody care to lower the bar a little more?
The Lt. was just following the lead of our wondeful KBF Crim.
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But if we lower the bar enough, we could all have a limbo contest :)
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Keller please dont cuss on the forums. Thank you.
Just to mention, I have played Elite Force 1 ever since it came out. I bought the expansion the day it came out.
I have NEVER seen you guys on any server. And I have been on nearly every EF server ever created... from barrysworld to gah... whats the name of the servers that used to be free but cost now... ah whatever... Any way, I was a member of TF, and I am a founding member of SFI.
Again, I have NEVER seen you in Elite Force.
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Gentlemen, let me first say that the following is just the follow up of an inquiry.
First, the 11th Fleet Spartan Vangaurd is not listed on Victor1st's clan registry.
Next, you claim to hold a copyright? Well, I looked through the registry of copyrights for the United States.
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11TH MERION (2 items)
11TH NAT'L SPORTS COLLECTOR'S CONVENTION 7 (6 items)
11TH STATION (34 items)
11TH STREET KID 22 (2 items)
11TH VICTIM OUTCALL MODEL F (2 items)
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XIU XIU, THE SENT DOWN GIRL (2 items)
XIU, XIU (2 items)
XIV OLYMPIAD (12 items)
XIV OLYMPIAD: LONDON 1948 & OSLO 1952 (2 items)
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ELEVENTH HOUSE BLUES (2 items)
ELEVENTH HOUSE WITH LARRY CORYELL (2 items)
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ITEM 2. PAu-1-362-178: Peers-Hernandez '89. CLNA: Carlos A. Hernandez, Robert Peers
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Item 1 of 1
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Item 1 OF 1 V1727 P80 (COHD)
Date Recorded: 21May79
Date Executed: not dated
Assignor: Ron Peers.
Assignee: Tumbleweed Music, Pty. Ltd.
Note: Assignment of copyright.
I realize that posting this will likely result in me being banned off of these forums, and I appologize to you gentlemen, Frey, Fluf, Nanner, and the rest of you.
WaterTiger, I don't know if you know what any of this means, but so that everyone does, let me explain it.
Your 11th Fleet Spartan Vangaurd has done one of a few things, of which, I of course will list all, in order of the least to most likely, followed by the reacton of a federal court judge (which is why I knew that most courts would throw your case out, my wife is a circut judge, she deals with things like this on a weekly basis, so Tiger, shove off about your thinking that you know more about law than I do).
1) The Spartan Vangaurd 11th Fleet is copyrighted in another country. The Fed would have to throw it out since other nations have their own laws and regulations regarding copyrights.
2) The Spartan Vangaurd has posted a fraudulant copyright notice. If this is the case, you had best remove your notice, because you would not only be fined, spend some time in a cell, you would also have your site impounded.
3) WaterTiger is again lieing to the community in an attempt to gain attention. This one doesn't need the oppinion of a circut judge, and quite frankly is a waste of anyone's time.
Thanks again WaterTiger, you have once again tried to take a possition where you think you have power, and once again someone has come in and swatted you down. Stop the bull, Tiger, maybe, just maybe you might actually find that people will stop banning you from all their sites and servers.
Thanks,
Colonel Michael "Braxton" Erb
USAF SAC and Space Command Division
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cleaven,read my last post you dumf*ck
Yep, that just nudges the bar a little lower. Anybody else want to try and edge out this fleet's lack of decorum.
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I'm abandoning this thread, its rapidly degenerating at this point into profanity. Perhaps this should be carried on (if it should be necessary to do so) a bit more privately and calmly, it seems some tempers are running a little too high and the post has serve its purpose anyway
You think this is bad? Wait until SF gets here. Judas should love this.
Someone tried to steal his fleets name once ... Ask around what happened to them.
When some of the REAL fleets find out how the 9th supported this and what Sandman did ...
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LOL.we have whole departments on ef1 and ef2! what are you smoking! mabey your playing the wrong game.
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Crim
This coming from a guy who calls himself a deacon of a non existent church
Worry about your own credibility
LOL...excuse me for using a title bestowed upon me by the great one's...4 years ago...
I dont worry about my credibility....others are free to judge as they wish...
Woe to thee that mock the Church of Taldren....for the taldrenites will rise up and smite thee... :P
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dam right i am.you want more?bring it any day.we kill every clan.we win.we train everyday.then you come up,and you say you are 11th?give me a f*cking break!the vangaurd has been around for a DECADE.you been around less then 2 years.we have fought and won major wars,we have made major alliances with everybody.you are a disgrace to 11th.give us back our name,and get out.
Has anyone assumed the name Vanguard 11Fleet? No.
It is entirely possible to discuss this topic without profanity.
1: There are 2 fleets called the eleventh,however one is the Vanguard 11thFleet, and the other is the XIFleet. Not even remotely close to the same name.
2:Basic facts are being overlooked in an effort to start a huge crap slinging war.
3:Threats are being made over a game which has 2 fleet with tags that are not even close to being the same(read #1)
4:WT(nuff said) lol
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Church of Taldren- i mock it.you are a disgrace to 11th.we have fought major battles and wars over the last 10 years.what have you done?nothing,we have major alliances.our players will knock everyone elses down.
now, quote"bestowed upon thee by the high ones"? what,what religeon are you?do you believe in one god?
im christian,and what your saying makes no sense to me.
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11thf leet and X1 fleet is the same.it says 11 each time. your blind
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What - no profanity - what went wrong?
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one of your memebrs said not to swear,i respect that,you want profounity?come on meesnager and ill give you profounaty
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Right... and I take it youve never seen sfi either? right?
Keller you give God-Fearing Christians a bad name with your attitude and language.
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Gentlemen, let me first say that the following is just the follow up of an inquiry.
First, the 11th Fleet Spartan Vangaurd is not listed on Victor1st's clan registry.
Next, you claim to hold a copyright? Well, I looked through the registry of copyrights for the United States.
Material Sources: [url]http://www.copyright.gov/records/cohd.html[/url]
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11TH HOUR (6 items)
11TH HOUR: THE SEQUEL TO THE 7TH GUEST (2 items)
11TH MERION (2 items)
11TH NAT'L SPORTS COLLECTOR'S CONVENTION 7 (6 items)
11TH STATION (34 items)
11TH STREET KID 22 (2 items)
11TH VICTIM OUTCALL MODEL F (2 items)
110 (2 items)
110 BETTER HOME PLANS (4 items)
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XIU XIU THE SENT DOWN GIRL (2 items)
XIU XIU, THE SENT DOWN GIRL (2 items)
XIU, XIU (2 items)
XIV OLYMPIAD (12 items)
XIV OLYMPIAD: LONDON 1948 & OSLO 1952 (2 items)
XIVTH OLYMPIAD, THE GLORY OF SPORT (2 items)
XIX OLYMPIAD: MEXICO CITY 1968 & SAPPORO 19 (2 items)
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ELEVENTH HOUR MELODY (13 items)
ELEVENTH HOUSE BLUES (2 items)
ELEVENTH HOUSE WITH LARRY CORYELL (2 items)
ELEVENTH MONTH OF LIFE (2 items)
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XIU XIU (2 items)
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ITEM 2. PAu-1-362-178: Peers-Hernandez '89. CLNA: Carlos A. Hernandez, Robert Peers
ITEM 3. TX-2-081-662: Fit, function & flourish / by Tom Peers. CLNA: acTom Peers
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Item 1 of 1
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Item 1 OF 1 V1727 P80 (COHD)
Date Recorded: 21May79
Date Executed: not dated
Assignor: Ron Peers.
Assignee: Tumbleweed Music, Pty. Ltd.
Note: Assignment of copyright.
I realize that posting this will likely result in me being banned off of these forums, and I appologize to you gentlemen, Frey, Fluf, Nanner, and the rest of you.
WaterTiger, I don't know if you know what any of this means, but so that everyone does, let me explain it.
Your 11th Fleet Spartan Vangaurd has done one of a few things, of which, I of course will list all, in order of the least to most likely, followed by the reacton of a federal court judge (which is why I knew that most courts would throw your case out, my wife is a circut judge, she deals with things like this on a weekly basis, so Tiger, shove off about your thinking that you know more about law than I do).
1) The Spartan Vangaurd 11th Fleet is copyrighted in another country. The Fed would have to throw it out since other nations have their own laws and regulations regarding copyrights.
2) The Spartan Vangaurd has posted a fraudulant copyright notice. If this is the case, you had best remove your notice, because you would not only be fined, spend some time in a cell, you would also have your site impounded.
3) WaterTiger is again lieing to the community in an attempt to gain attention. This one doesn't need the oppinion of a circut judge, and quite frankly is a waste of anyone's time.
Thanks again WaterTiger, you have once again tried to take a possition where you think you have power, and once again someone has come in and swatted you down. Stop the bull, Tiger, maybe, just maybe you might actually find that people will stop banning you from all their sites and servers.
Thanks,
Colonel Michael "Braxton" Erb
USAF SAC and Space Command Division
Wrong. And this isn't my issue -- it a FLEET issue. You can bury me all day -- not this fleet and its traditions. You haven't even begun to see the amount of uproar this will create.
Sandman was ill advised to post this in light of recent 11thFleet contact on this issue, then has gathered his cheerleaders from the 9th, KOTH, KBF and others to support his ridiculous claims is about to find out why the United Nations signed an international copyright agreement protected by international law.
You are not protected by country borders on copyright law.
That's why you don't see Microsoft in London, England.
Get your facts straight.
<S>
WaterTiger
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Gentlemen, let me first say that the following is just the follow up of an inquiry.
First, the 11th Fleet Spartan Vangaurd is not listed on Victor1st's clan registry.
Next, you claim to hold a copyright? Well, I looked through the registry of copyrights for the United States.
Material Sources: [url]http://www.copyright.gov/records/cohd.html[/url]
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11TH HOUR: THE SEQUEL TO THE 7TH GUEST (2 items)
11TH MERION (2 items)
11TH NAT'L SPORTS COLLECTOR'S CONVENTION 7 (6 items)
11TH STATION (34 items)
11TH STREET KID 22 (2 items)
11TH VICTIM OUTCALL MODEL F (2 items)
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XIU XIU, THE SENT DOWN GIRL (2 items)
XIU, XIU (2 items)
XIV OLYMPIAD (12 items)
XIV OLYMPIAD: LONDON 1948 & OSLO 1952 (2 items)
XIVTH OLYMPIAD, THE GLORY OF SPORT (2 items)
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ELEVENTH HOUR MELODY (13 items)
ELEVENTH HOUSE BLUES (2 items)
ELEVENTH HOUSE WITH LARRY CORYELL (2 items)
ELEVENTH MONTH OF LIFE (2 items)
ELEVENTH PATRIARCH (2 items)
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SPARTANA (2 items)
SPARTANBURG, SC (2 items)
SPARTANETTE (2 items)
SPARTANS (2 items)
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11TH HAWAIIAN HYMNBOOK (1 item)
11TH HAWAIIAN SERIES-PAINTINGS OF 1989 (1 item)
11TH HOLE AT AUGUSTA (2 items)
11TH HOLE AUGUSTA, WHITE DOGWOOD (1 item)
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XIU NU (1 item)
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Item 1 OF 1 V1727 P80 (COHD)
Date Recorded: 21May79
Date Executed: not dated
Assignor: Ron Peers.
Assignee: Tumbleweed Music, Pty. Ltd.
Note: Assignment of copyright.
I realize that posting this will likely result in me being banned off of these forums, and I appologize to you gentlemen, Frey, Fluf, Nanner, and the rest of you.
WaterTiger, I don't know if you know what any of this means, but so that everyone does, let me explain it.
Your 11th Fleet Spartan Vangaurd has done one of a few things, of which, I of course will list all, in order of the least to most likely, followed by the reacton of a federal court judge (which is why I knew that most courts would throw your case out, my wife is a circut judge, she deals with things like this on a weekly basis, so Tiger, shove off about your thinking that you know more about law than I do).
1) The Spartan Vangaurd 11th Fleet is copyrighted in another country. The Fed would have to throw it out since other nations have their own laws and regulations regarding copyrights.
2) The Spartan Vangaurd has posted a fraudulant copyright notice. If this is the case, you had best remove your notice, because you would not only be fined, spend some time in a cell, you would also have your site impounded.
3) WaterTiger is again lieing to the community in an attempt to gain attention. This one doesn't need the oppinion of a circut judge, and quite frankly is a waste of anyone's time.
Thanks again WaterTiger, you have once again tried to take a possition where you think you have power, and once again someone has come in and swatted you down. Stop the bull, Tiger, maybe, just maybe you might actually find that people will stop banning you from all their sites and servers.
Thanks,
Colonel Michael "Braxton" Erb
USAF SAC and Space Command Division
Braxton thanks for your estute gesture in attempting to act as if you know something, The United Nations has had 43 Countries sign the international Copyright agreement, Unless you are one of the nations that did NOT sign the international agreement you would be in violation of international law. And since you reside in the US you would be subject to prosecution under US and international law.
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11thf leet and X1 fleet is the same.it says 11 each time. your blind
Quite the contrary. I can see you will settle for nothing less than a profanity contest. Did you read Braxton's post below concerning your copyright claim?
Did you know that if you had approached Sandman in a civil ,respectful fashion, that you might have worked out an amicable solution to this?
Does your Fleet have an actual diplomat with people skills? Please don't say it's tigger rofl!
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Say this again for the arm chair attorneys Wildcard ...
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Braxton thanks for your estute gesture in attempting to act as if you know something, The United Nations has had 43 Countries sign the international Copyright agreement, Unless you are one of the nations that did NOT sign the international agreement you would be in violation of international law. And since you reside in the US you would be subject to prosecution under US and international law.
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Right... and I take it youve never seen sfi either? right?
Keller you give God-Fearing Christians a bad name with your attitude and language.
um,what the f*ck are you with the church thing who belives in on forums?whos a disgrace to god now?
oh oh oh its you mother f*cker
Admin Edit: I can see you cannot control yourself when posting all these curses. That is not permitted. You will not be posting here for a few days.
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Church of Taldren- i mock it.you are a disgrace to 11th.we have fought major battles and wars over the last 10 years.what have you done?nothing,we have major alliances.our players will knock everyone elses down.
now, quote"bestowed upon thee by the high ones"? what,what religeon are you?do you believe in one god?
im christian,and what your saying makes no sense to me.
First of all genious...I'm not in the 11th fleet...
Second....you have some roseries to say over your use of profainty...
Third....the Chruch of Taldren is a joke....Taldrenites on the other hand are not...
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You two genuses should read the post.
YOU DON'T HAVE A COPYRIGHT ANYWHERE IN THOSE 43 COUNTRIES OR YOU WOULD BE ON THE LIST.
Jesus, and your saying that I am dumb.
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one of your memebrs said not to swear,i respect that,you want profounity?come on meesnager and ill give you profounaty
The way you dish it out I assume your fleet is a real class establishment.
And just what is your opinion on taking a fleet name form a cartoon series?
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11thf leet and X1 fleet is the same.it says 11 each time. your blind
Quite the contrary. I can see you will settle for nothing less than a profanity contest. Did you read Braxton's post below concerning your copyright claim?
Did you know that if you had approached Sandman in a civil ,respectful fashion, that you might have worked out an amicable solution to this?
Does your Fleet have an actual diplomat with people skills? Please don't say it's tigger rofl!
Hey, Rota. Pardon the Lt. he is a little sensitive about the fleet name ... He's young, gets excited.
And Sandman treated the 11thFleet brass with contempt tonight when asked to remove the name in an amicble way.
The 11th has spoken with a host of admirals in this thread, it has been backed by other fleets and their leaders ... and you all sit here and defend an indefesible position.
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WaterTiger
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Again I will refuse to respond to posts that are only meant to cause flames. I ask everyone here to cease any open flames, as this is not the appropriate time or place for this. I would like to say thank you to any of you who supported my fleet in this ongoing flame thread.
I am chosing to take the high road, and try to be the mature and logical one in this thing. I have made my aruguments, and my rebuttles, but no one wants to listen, and twist my words into things I have not said. So I ask everyone involved to respect the admins of this forum and the rules of this forum and to stop this flame thread forthwith...
Thanx...
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The point is there is no copyright for Spartan Vanguard, or 11th fleet, or xith fleet...
Keller dont toy with me.
I am 100% dead serious.
Please close this thread.
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Right... and I take it youve never seen sfi either? right?
Keller you give God-Fearing Christians a bad name with your attitude and language.
um,what the f*ck are you with the church thing who belives in on forums?whos a disgrace to god now?
oh oh oh its you mother f*cker
What more can one say about this fleet that is not represented by the language of it's spokesmen.
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alright,you want talks of god>i went to a private school and went to a church and prayed and learned about god for 8 years.and im still doing it im highschool today.you want a lesson on god>bring it.anyway,give us our name back.i mean come on,we ARE THE VANGAURD.ill say it again!10 YEARS TO YOUR PATHETIC 3!.we have fought won and triumphed.what have you done?!
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Sandman, thanks for changing the title of the post to Cover your ass! ONLY THING SAVING YOU YOUR GRACES!!!!!!
The fact that Sandman missed the very EXISTENCE of the Eleventh Fleet in Star Trek gamming, is beyond fluke, beyond coincidental. Its a voluntary ommission. He knew we were out there.
In addition. As to why we're not currently listed on STCD, we haven't reregistered it. The staff there is fully aware of our pressence in the community at large, and much of our history.
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It shows the copyright to The Spartan Vangaurd 11th Fleet is copyrighted, not XIFleet,not 11th fleet,not eleventh fleet. Am I the only one who sees a difference in the two names ? rofl
The -11thFleet- is the Spartan Vanguard.
Do you see how he touts our name on GAW forums?
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Welcome the the 11th Fleet Forums Sandman 106 15 07/20/04 04:52 AM
by F9thZell
MSN Messenger Sandman 5 0 07/29/04 11:05 PM
by Sandman
11th Fleet TS Channel Sandman 41 2 07/29/04 10:18 PM
by Sandman
11th Fleet Origins Sandman 5 0 07/29/04 10:18 PM
by Sandman
There is another...
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Oh, and Braxton, copyrights in this country ahven'tr required a listing by the Library of Congress for over 100 years.
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and i only swear cause i know im right.that is how frusterated i am over htis.YES WE ARE COPYRIGHTED .coem on man,we did it 2 times already! the proof is in your eyes!
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Its not even 2 or 3 years!!! Its a 1 and half years by his own addmission!!!!
WOW!!! He and alot of his crowd participated in SFC1, SFC2 and OP? WOW, 1 and half years doesn't quite cover ANY OF THOSE GAMES for them being the Eleventh Fleet!
HELLO!?!?! ARE YOU ALL BLINDLY STUPID!?!?! DOES THAT JUST NOT REGISTER IN YOUR PEABRAIN SKULLS!?!?!?!
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Sandman, thanks for changing the title of the post to Cover your ass! ONLY THING SAVING YOU YOUR GRACES!!!!!!
The fact that Sandman missed the very EXISTENCE of the Eleventh Fleet in Star Wars gamming, is beyond fluke, beyond coincidental. Its a voluntary ommission. He knew we were out there.
In addition. As to why we're not currently listed on STCD, we haven't reregistered it. The staff there is fully aware of our pressence in the community at large, and much of our history.
Did you see the so-called history of his fleet he put up on Nanner's forums on sfc3.net TODAY?
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alright,you want talks of god>i went to a private school and went to a church and prayed and learned about god for 8 years.and im still doing it im highschool today.you want a lesson on god>bring it.anyway,give us our name back.i mean come on,we ARE THE VANGAURD.ill say it again!10 YEARS TO YOUR PATHETIC 3!.we have fought won and triumphed.what have you done?!
Learnt grammar and spelling?
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It shows the copyright to The Spartan Vangaurd 11th Fleet is copyrighted, not XIFleet,not 11th fleet,not eleventh fleet. Am I the only one who sees a difference in the two names ? rofl
The -11thFleet- is the Spartan Vanguard.
Do you see how he touts our name on GAW forums?
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Welcome the the 11th Fleet Forums Sandman 106 15 07/20/04 04:52 AM
by F9thZell
MSN Messenger Sandman 5 0 07/29/04 11:05 PM
by Sandman
11th Fleet TS Channel Sandman 41 2 07/29/04 10:18 PM
by Sandman
11th Fleet Origins Sandman 5 0 07/29/04 10:18 PM
by Sandman
There is another...
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Oh, and Braxton, copyrights in this country ahven'tr required a listing by the Library of Congress for over 100 years.
This is straight from the copyright.gov website Tiger, you should read it well.
Search Copyright Records: Registrations and Documents
Search copyright information by selecting one of the three databases below, which contain records of registrations and ownership documents since 1978. Please note it takes several months for recent registrations to appear in the databases.
Tiger, learn e-n-g-l-i-s-h.
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Eleventh Fleet was the original Spartan Vanguard also, for everyone's information. The Spartan Vanguard began in the Eleventh Fleet. We were the Eleventh Fleet since the begining of 9 years ago almost. Spartan Vanguard is a name that we associated ourselves with to lend character to us. Its also the umbrella name by which we branch into other game theaters or genres outside of Star Trek Gamming.
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You two genuses should read the post.
YOU DON'T HAVE A COPYRIGHT ANYWHERE IN THOSE 43 COUNTRIES OR YOU WOULD BE ON THE LIST.
Jesus, and your saying that I am dumb.
What I am saying Colonel Genius is that as long as you use a" © " or anything similar recognized as official under Copyright Law you are copyrighted, and that is recognized under US and International Law.
So go back to google and try again.
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english,laguage literature,church everyday,mathematics,p.e,more prayer,you want to toy with me?im a junior at a private high school.and where did you learn to write?
Learnt grammar and spelling?
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english,laguage literature,church everyday,mathematics,p.e,more prayer,you want to toy with me?im a junior at a private high school.and where did you learn to write?
Learnt grammar and spelling?
Oh that just kills me. I'm glad your fleet is in your hands.
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Sandman, thanks for changing the title of the post to Cover your ass! ONLY THING SAVING YOU YOUR GRACES!!!!!!
The fact that Sandman missed the very EXISTENCE of the Eleventh Fleet in Star Wars gamming, is beyond fluke, beyond coincidental. Its a voluntary ommission. He knew we were out there.
In addition. As to why we're not currently listed on STCD, we haven't reregistered it. The staff there is fully aware of our pressence in the community at large, and much of our history.
Just to remind you Peers that we are talking about STAR TREK not STAR WARS.
And for everyone's information I have not solicited any assistance from any of the above parties. They are just guys who know me and my fleet, and they all have their own opinions on this matter. Please stop this flaming it is already out of hand.
Thanx...
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You two genuses should read the post.
YOU DON'T HAVE A COPYRIGHT ANYWHERE IN THOSE 43 COUNTRIES OR YOU WOULD BE ON THE LIST.
Jesus, and your saying that I am dumb.
What I am saying Colonel Genius is that as long as you use a" © " or anything similar recognized as official under Copyright Law you are copyrighted, and that is recognized under US and International Law.
So go back to google and try again.
And if I put a ä down I own the universe too. You might want to look at some copyright laws. lol
That is the funniest thing I have seen ince Durin with G racks.
Edit: Here you go: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/
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You two genuses should read the post.
YOU DON'T HAVE A COPYRIGHT ANYWHERE IN THOSE 43 COUNTRIES OR YOU WOULD BE ON THE LIST.
Jesus, and your saying that I am dumb.
What I am saying Colonel Genius is that as long as you use a" © " or anything similar recognized as official under Copyright Law you are copyrighted, and that is recognized under US and International Law.
So go back to google and try again.
The point really isn't law ... The point is what this nOOb fleet has done to the integrity of the 11th name and the fleet pride carried by 80+ pilots. He knew the 11th exhisted, by his own admission. he ceates a cute knock off fleet, then tells five fleet admirals he doesn't care.
It's not like they didn't ask before getting all huffy.
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WaterTiger
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Indeed, he "doesn't care." What a nice person. He didn't even listen to us. The first remark out his fat yap was a flat insult.
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You two genuses should read the post.
YOU DON'T HAVE A COPYRIGHT ANYWHERE IN THOSE 43 COUNTRIES OR YOU WOULD BE ON THE LIST.
Jesus, and your saying that I am dumb.
What I am saying Colonel Genius is that as long as you use a" © " or anything similar recognized as official under Copyright Law you are copyrighted, and that is recognized under US and International Law.
So go back to google and try again.
The point really isn't law ... The point is what this nOOb fleet has done to the integrity of the 11th name and the fleet pride carried by 80+ pilots. He knew the 11th exhisted, by his own admission. he ceates a cute knock off fleet, then tells five fleet admirals he doesn't care.
It's not like they didn't ask before getting all huffy.
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WaterTiger
Then you are admitting to commiting federal offence?
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Sandman, thanks for changing the title of the post to Cover your ass! ONLY THING SAVING YOU YOUR GRACES!!!!!!
The fact that Sandman missed the very EXISTENCE of the Eleventh Fleet in Star Wars gamming, is beyond fluke, beyond coincidental. Its a voluntary ommission. He knew we were out there.
In addition. As to why we're not currently listed on STCD, we haven't reregistered it. The staff there is fully aware of our pressence in the community at large, and much of our history.
Just to remind you Peers that we are talking about STAR TREK not STAR WARS.
And for everyone's information I have not solicited any assistance from any of the above parties. They are just guys who know me and my fleet, and they all have their own opinions on this matter. Please stop this flaming it is already out of hand.
Thanx...
Sandman, you did this on purpose ... to create this controversy. You have been contacted by 11thFleet admiralty regarding this issue, then slap them in the face on d.net? Pluuuuze, sir.
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AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-
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um,cant you read,he didnt say that.
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oh i was talking to braxton
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Braxton, we've read your dribble. I spoke directly to TWO lawyers when I went through the process of setting up my site. The copyright is valid and stands within the current copyright laws. That being said, we don't care what the F, you have to comment on so long as your carrying on that same line of discussion.
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Keller. I would love to have a theological discussion with you some time. For now, you are lucky that you don't live in my neighborhood. You would be lynched. The same will happen here.
Have a nice day.
And keller... There is a little button there in spell check...
As for being in High School thats all nice and dandy... I'm in high school as well.... The only thing is that I live in the ghetto so I can go to a good school. I sure as heck don't take crap at school... Not saying I dish it out unfairly, but I won't take it... And I won't take it here, from you, or from anyone.
---AGAIN THIS IS NOT POSTED BY A MEMBER OF THE 9TH FLEET, BUT BY A MEMBER OF THE SFC AND ST GAMING COMMUNITY. THE 9TH FLEET IN NO WAY IS PART OF MY POSTING IN THIS THREAD. ALL OPINIONS ARE THAT OF SKYFLYER.---
Good night all
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Integrity:
1. Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
2. The state of being unimpaired; soundness.
3. The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completeness.
Hmmm.
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lynched huh?you ever heard of tae kwon do?its a korean martial art,and i am really good at it,if you came up to me?youd be down before you knew it.
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Did I say?
"Anything WT touches turns to crap"
Yes...I think I did.... :o
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9th Fleet officially doesn't have any involvement, but their fingers have been in the cookie jar since second 1. Right. How bout I cut those damn fingers off while I'm at it?
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and i think i rebuted agaisnt that statement,only if you knew how to read take that kbf-crim
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That's really cute Crim.
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Do you want a biscuit now Crim?
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Braxton, we've read your dribble. I spoke directly to TWO lawyers when I went through the process of setting up my site. The copyright is valid and stands within the current copyright laws. That being said, we don't care what the F, you have to comment on so long as your carrying on that same line of discussion.
I do believe a FEDERAL judge knows better than a pair of lawyers Peers, come on.
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Integrity:
1. Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
2. The state of being unimpaired; soundness.
3. The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completeness.
Hmmm.
Cleven, sir. The youth is upset. It's HIS fleet that is being dishonored. Cut him some slack. We have talked to Keller and asked him to tone it down a bit. He will be editing the more severe language here. Thank you, sir.
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AdmWaterTiger -11thFleet-
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and i think i rebuted agaisnt that statement,only if you knew how to read take that kbf-crim
Yeah..I'm crushed....and your fleets reputation is getting worse by the post....
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Judges = Lawyers
Only difference is, is a Judge gets elected or appointed a judgeship. Same level of education.
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You two genuses should read the post.
YOU DON'T HAVE A COPYRIGHT ANYWHERE IN THOSE 43 COUNTRIES OR YOU WOULD BE ON THE LIST.
Jesus, and your saying that I am dumb.
What I am saying Colonel Genius is that as long as you use a" © " or anything similar recognized as official under Copyright Law you are copyrighted, and that is recognized under US and International Law.
So go back to google and try again.
And if I put a ä down I own the universe too. You might want to look at some copyright laws. lol
That is the funniest thing I have seen ince Durin with G racks.
Edit: Here you go: [url]http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/[/url]
And you are posting links that we already have knowledge about. We know the law Colonel Genius, They want the imposter fleet to stop using the name they have all rights under law to use. If you would get off Google and get with the program you would know that the international law stated that any design of a website using the "©" will employ protection under the law. Since the real original 11th Fleet has been around since 1996 and employ's the "©" on their site and has done so under law since 1996 they have all rights and access to said name Copyrighted under law.
ROFLMAO get a clue Colonel Genius.
DO us all a favor and protect our Country from the terrorist assholes and leave the 11th Fleet business to the 11th Fleet. I know what I am talking about and it is clear you are in the dark ages.
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Do you want a biscuit now Crim?
No thanks...but I'd take a cold beer if you got one..
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-gives crim a beer-enjoy.ill take a pepsi
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Integrity:
1. Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
2. The state of being unimpaired; soundness.
3. The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completeness.
Hmmm.
Cleven, sir. The youth is upset. It's HIS fleet that is being dishonored. Cut him some slack. We have talked to Keller and asked him to tone it down a bit. He will be editing the more severe language here. Thank you, sir.
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How can a fleet of any standing not have promulgated a standard of behaviour for posting on "outside" forums? Now if he is a ranking member of your fleet AND has no respect for it's rules than that says you have a very poor standard. Either that or you are so disorganised so as not to have standards of behaviour.
Either way his mouth clearly states that this so called fleet deserves very little respect and negatively affects any claims you may want to make in this arena.
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no,they do a have a standard,but im to distressed .you can understand that.come on,im sorry for all my swearing and i edited some,we do have high standards and i apolagize.
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He is a Cmd., sir. And in our structure there is a long way to go to being a spokesman. Please, he is young and excited about this issue. Remember when you were young and excitable? ::)
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He is a Cmd., sir. And in our structure there is a long way to go to being a spokesman. Please, he is young and excited about this issue. Remember when you were young and excitable? ::)
Yes, I remember not going into other peoples "homes" and swearing like that. Rules of behaviour are meant for circumstances exactly like this, to prevent sad individuals running at the mouth and embarressing all concerned. It isn't allowed here and as far as I'm concerned your whole organisation should be treated with the same brush because none of you disclaimed this behaviour way back on the first page that he used his toilet mouth.
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Let me quote the Copyright Law for you:
Sec. 401. - Notice of copyright: Visually perceptible copies
(a) General Provisions. -
Whenever a work protected under this title is published in the United States or elsewhere by authority of the copyright owner, a notice of copyright as provided by this section may be placed on publicly distributed copies from which the work can be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.
(b) Form of Notice. -
If a notice appears on the copies, it shall consist of the following three elements:
(1)
the symbol (AF) (the letter C in a circle), or the word ''Copyright'', or the abbreviation ''Copr.''; and
(2)
the year of first publication of the work; in the case of compilations, or derivative works incorporating previously published material, the year date of first publication of the compilation or derivative work is sufficient. The year date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work, with accompanying text matter, if any, is reproduced in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or any useful articles; and
(3)
the name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner.
(c) Position of Notice. -
The notice shall be affixed to the copies in such manner and location as to give reasonable notice of the claim of copyright. The Register of Copyrights shall prescribe by regulation, as examples, specific methods of affixation and positions of the notice on various types of works that will satisfy this requirement, but these specifications shall not be considered exhaustive.
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If a notice of copyright in the form and position specified by this section appears on the published copy or copies to which a defendant in a copyright infringement suit had access, then no weight shall be given to such a defendant's interposition of a defense based on innocent infringement in mitigation of actual or statutory damages, except as provided in the last sentence of section 504(c)(2).
Thank you for using the GQ Fleet information Center, We are happy to serve. ©
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Well it didnt take you long WT to join a new fleet and start a whole mess now did it? What was it? 72hrs?
Guys its just a game! Geesh. All the legal threats are just bull. All this over a name? ::)
Why cant there be 2 Fleets like this? WaterTiger did it. ;D
Sorry, but I have never heard of the Spartan Vangard 11th Fleet until WaterTiger joined it. I have known the XIth Fleet Rangers since they formed, and have found them to be honorable players of the "game" in everyway. Im sure the Spartan Vangard are too, I just dont know them. However, Im not seeing a very good side of them right now.
Anyway, I suggest you folks settle your differences elsewhere. You dont want the Taldrenites getting involved in this. They tend to be very nasty! ;D
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Let me quote the Copyright Law for you:
Sec. 401. - Notice of copyright: Visually perceptible copies
(a) General Provisions. -
Whenever a work protected under this title is published in the United States or elsewhere by authority of the copyright owner, a notice of copyright as provided by this section may be placed on publicly distributed copies from which the work can be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.
(b) Form of Notice. - welll
If a notice appears on the copies, it shall consist of the following three elements:
(1)
the symbol (AF) (the letter C in a circle), or the word ''Copyright'', or the abbreviation ''Copr.''; and
(2)
the year of first publication of the work; in the case of compilations, or derivative works incorporating previously published material, the year date of first publication of the compilation or derivative work is sufficient. The year date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work, with accompanying text matter, if any, is reproduced in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or any useful articles; and
(3)
the name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner.
(c) Position of Notice. -
The notice shall be affixed to the copies in such manner and location as to give reasonable notice of the claim of copyright. The Register of Copyrights shall prescribe by regulation, as examples, specific methods of affixation and positions of the notice on various types of works that will satisfy this requirement, but these specifications shall not be considered exhaustive.
(d) Evidentiary Weight of Notice. -
If a notice of copyright in the form and position specified by this section appears on the published copy or copies to which a defendant in a copyright infringement suit had access, then no weight shall be given to such a defendant's interposition of a defense based on innocent infringement in mitigation of actual or statutory damages, except as provided in the last sentence of section 504(c)(2).
Thank you for using the GQ Fleet information Center, We are happy to serve. ©
Well as we can see they want to post it , but not read it . If you read it , it states in the second sentence that the "register of copywrites" .This means you Have to register your copywrite in order for it to be valid. SO if you quote the law , use it in context please................
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Why can't people spell "copyright"?
Well it didnt take you long WT to join a new fleet and start a whole mess now did it? What was it? 72hrs?
I'll remind you of a previous post made by myself.
Of course WaterTiger did it, although the fleet was named 11th(XIth)(Eleventh) Fleet A LONG time before he joined, but he's still the sole reason for everything. (some parts modified)
Have a nice day
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I'll give you guys my opinion.
NO CURSING. Keller, I will be back to you shortly.
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Seem's like WC fits right in over there.
I hope you are all warm and cozy with eachother.
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Let me quote the Copyright Law for you:
Sec. 401. - Notice of copyright: Visually perceptible copies
(a) General Provisions. -
Whenever a work protected under this title is published in the United States or elsewhere by authority of the copyright owner, a notice of copyright as provided by this section may be placed on publicly distributed copies from which the work can be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.
(b) Form of Notice. - welll
If a notice appears on the copies, it shall consist of the following three elements:
(1)
the symbol (AF) (the letter C in a circle), or the word ''Copyright'', or the abbreviation ''Copr.''; and
(2)
the year of first publication of the work; in the case of compilations, or derivative works incorporating previously published material, the year date of first publication of the compilation or derivative work is sufficient. The year date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work, with accompanying text matter, if any, is reproduced in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or any useful articles; and
(3)
the name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner.
(c) Position of Notice. -
The notice shall be affixed to the copies in such manner and location as to give reasonable notice of the claim of copyright. The Register of Copyrights shall prescribe by regulation, as examples, specific methods of affixation and positions of the notice on various types of works that will satisfy this requirement, but these specifications shall not be considered exhaustive.
(d) Evidentiary Weight of Notice. -
If a notice of copyright in the form and position specified by this section appears on the published copy or copies to which a defendant in a copyright infringement suit had access, then no weight shall be given to such a defendant's interposition of a defense based on innocent infringement in mitigation of actual or statutory damages, except as provided in the last sentence of section 504(c)(2).
Thank you for using the GQ Fleet information Center, We are happy to serve. ©
Well as we can see they want to post it , but not read it . If you read it , it states in the second sentence that the "register of copywrites" .This means you Have to register your copywrite in order for it to be valid. SO if you quote the law , use it in context please................
Incorrect, the sentence you point to states that the Register of Copyrights will provide EXAMPLES of the correct way to copyright something.
Under international copyright law, if you create a piece of ORIGINAL WORK, and you put the correct copyright tag on that work - then it is protected by the copyright laws. The correct tag is always the word "Copyright" or the copyright symbol ©, followed by the year & who the copyright belongs to.
Example, If I was to write a guide to the SFC3 Single Player Campaign, post it on a webpage & put this at the bottom.
Copyright 2004 Michael Pellington
Then that work is protected under copyright law. If someone took my guide, and posted it on the web ANYWHERE without my permission, then they would be in breach of copyright law. I would be within my legal rights to sue the individual for damages (in a civil court).
If I had a REGISTERED copyright, then it would have this symbol ® - usually called a Registered Trademark - this is used to protect logos & symbols as well as company names and the like - such as the logo for Coca Cola. The ? symbol is normally a subset of the Registered Trademark, and is used to protect secondary logos and names under a main Registered Trademark. Example, the WWE has it's name & main logo as a Registered Trademark, and most of it's wrestlers names under ? - as they are a subset of the main Registered Trademark.
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On the main argument between the two 11th Fleets. Under law, you would need a REGISTERED TRADEMARK to protect a name. Copyright will not protect a name, only the work itself. While the website itself is protected, the name must be legally registered to protect it from being used by someone else.
In simple truth, as long as neither fleet is using the original work of another, no copyright law has been broken. As the name is not a registered trademark, both fleets are well within their rights to use the name. (Sorry WaterTiger)
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You are going to be flamed soooooo hard.
roflmao
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So where does that leave the creator's of Star Blazers and therefore the original Eleventh Fleet?
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Let me quote the Copyright Law for you:
Sec. 401. - Notice of copyright: Visually perceptible copies
(a) General Provisions. -
Whenever a work protected under this title is published in the United States or elsewhere by authority of the copyright owner, a notice of copyright as provided by this section may be placed on publicly distributed copies from which the work can be visually perceived, either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.
(b) Form of Notice. - welll
If a notice appears on the copies, it shall consist of the following three elements:
(1)
the symbol (AF) (the letter C in a circle), or the word ''Copyright'', or the abbreviation ''Copr.''; and
(2)
the year of first publication of the work; in the case of compilations, or derivative works incorporating previously published material, the year date of first publication of the compilation or derivative work is sufficient. The year date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work, with accompanying text matter, if any, is reproduced in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or any useful articles; and
(3)
the name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner.
(c) Position of Notice. -
The notice shall be affixed to the copies in such manner and location as to give reasonable notice of the claim of copyright. The Register of Copyrights shall prescribe by regulation, as examples, specific methods of affixation and positions of the notice on various types of works that will satisfy this requirement, but these specifications shall not be considered exhaustive.
(d) Evidentiary Weight of Notice. -
If a notice of copyright in the form and position specified by this section appears on the published copy or copies to which a defendant in a copyright infringement suit had access, then no weight shall be given to such a defendant's interposition of a defense based on innocent infringement in mitigation of actual or statutory damages, except as provided in the last sentence of section 504(c)(2).
Thank you for using the GQ Fleet information Center, We are happy to serve. ©
Well as we can see they want to post it , but not read it . If you read it , it states in the second sentence that the "register of copywrites" .This means you Have to register your copywrite in order for it to be valid. SO if you quote the law , use it in context please................
Incorrect, the sentence you point to states that the Register of Copyrights will provide EXAMPLES of the correct way to copyright something.
Under international copyright law, if you create a piece of ORIGINAL WORK, and you put the correct copyright tag on that work - then it is protected by the copyright laws. The correct tag is always the word "Copyright" or the copyright symbol ©, followed by the year & who the copyright belongs to.
Example, If I was to write a guide to the SFC3 Single Player Campaign, post it on a webpage & put this at the bottom.
Copyright 2004 Michael Pellington
Then that work is protected under copyright law. If someone took my guide, and posted it on the web ANYWHERE without my permission, then they would be in breach of copyright law. I would be within my legal rights to sue the individual for damages (in a civil court).
If I had a REGISTERED copyright, then it would have this symbol ® - usually called a Registered Trademark - this is used to protect logos & symbols as well as company names and the like - such as the logo for Coca Cola. The ? symbol is normally a subset of the Registered Trademark, and is used to protect secondary logos and names under a main Registered Trademark. Example, the WWE has it's name & main logo as a Registered Trademark, and most of it's wrestlers names under ? - as they are a subset of the main Registered Trademark.
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On the main argument between the two 11th Fleets. Under law, you would need a REGISTERED TRADEMARK to protect a name. Copyright will not protect a name, only the work itself. While the website itself is protected, the name must be legally registered to protect it from being used by someone else.
In simple truth, as long as neither fleet is using the original work of another, no copyright law has been broken. As the name is not a registered trademark, both fleets are well within their rights to use the name. (Sorry WaterTiger)
That is right Pelican, But it also goes a little deeper than that. I have a corporate lawyer friend that I go to church with and she told me last night that the name and symbol and or site design, site logo "11th Fleet" can be protected under the Copyright law as well as the Registered Trademark Law if they wanted to get the circle R. But where it is a non profit gaming organization the regualar circle C would protect them. I mean I did some indepth research when it came to this issue on the grounds of our mod being protected and our fleet as well. But you cant tell this crew anything. They invented the law over here, and interprete it as well.
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Seem's like WC fits right in over there.
I hope you are all warm and cozy with eachother.
Hey Ace how are you? Drop by the fleet and say hi every now and then. Ace you know me I call a spade a spade when I see one. I dont have the community politics and suck up like everyone else. I refuse to be in the box. I am a radical, I dont believe in being politicaly correct, it stinks. I just tell it like it is. I wont be 2 faced like most. I am a man and will tell someone to their face. If I were running for the popularity poll I would start with the "HELP IS ON THE WAY" speach and get some poor fools to preach my name for me. But since I am not in a popularity contest and could care less what some guy in a basement on the internet that still lives with his mom thinks I just tell it like it is.
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Anything KBF touches DIES
Dude, that was so uncalled for.
Can we please sever OP from SFC3 and be done with this BS? End this ridiculous charade.
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Great Work Pelican.
Looks like we have a 11th and a XIth Fleet.
Now go play.
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I think I'll go and copyright the Letter "E".
Stephen
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Anything KBF touches DIES
Dude, that was so uncalled for.
Can we please sever OP from SFC3 and be done with this BS? End this ridiculous charade.
Who is "WE"?
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Anything KBF touches DIES
Dude, that was so uncalled for.
Can we please sever OP from SFC3 and be done with this BS? End this ridiculous charade.
Who is "WE"?
All of us is "we."
Though this thread was damn entertaining, I just gotta say it is a retarded, dumb flame-war rivialling the childish arguments about whether or not Mighty Mouse could beat up Superman.
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Anything KBF touches DIES
Dude, that was so uncalled for.
Can we please sever OP from SFC3 and be done with this BS? End this ridiculous charade.
Who is "WE"?
All of us is "we."
Though this thread was damn entertaining, I just gotta say it is a retarded, dumb flame-war rivialling the childish arguments about whether or not Mighty Mouse could beat up Superman.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :troll:
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Anything KBF touches DIES
Dude, that was so uncalled for.
Can we please sever OP from SFC3 and be done with this BS? End this ridiculous charade.
Who is "WE"?
All of us is "we."
Though this thread was damn entertaining, I just gotta say it is a retarded, dumb flame-war rivialling the childish arguments about whether or not Mighty Mouse could beat up Superman.
I agree the whole thing is rather silly ... There were efforts by 11thFleet brass to handle this through less visable means. There is a former member of OUR 11thFleet who left some months ago over a disagreement with admiralty. Ironically, he shows on the roster for the OTHER 11thFleet. Sandman has recently set up shop at GAW (sfc3.net) and the topics there were less than presentable. Nannerslug, the admiral of the 9th, even locked one topic started by 9thComRyker and warned all parties after involved, including some who appear in this thread.
The 11th had been dealing with this issue for some time, and Ryker knew of this fleet. There were efforts made to discuss matters here.
I refer you to the Firesoul thread: http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163343831.0.html
Same issue, really. "Someone stole the name ..."
There have been five fleet admirals in this thread try to communicate their need and want to retain their name, which they had obviously attained prior to the "knock off" 11th.
And Sandman uses the name "11th Fleet" -- not XIth. Did you know that the members of the 11thFleet (the real one) use the XIth as a callsign on Dynaverse play?
The REAL 11thFleet has been playing EAW/OP and SFC3 long before Sandman came to the scene -- simple Net searches show that.
The REAL 11thFleet (Spartan Vanguard) just wants their name back. They don't want silly topics slapped in their face -- The "orignal" or anything else.
In the end, it is not a Taldrenite issue -- it is not my issue -- it is not a "community" issue.
It is an issue of doing what is right; an issue of integrity.
And yes, it's "just a game." Now allow those players who have played this Taldren series of games, and other Trek games long before Sandman dreamed of the knock off fleet, to retain their name.
AdmBishop plans to talk to 9th personnel on TeamSpeak and hopefully this can be worked out.
... and we all know who "we" is, really.
It's no secret that this board is heavily OP oriented and the EAW/OP personnel would rather SFC3 and its players dropped off the face of the Earth.
When the so-called Taldrenites talk of "community" ... the SFC3 crowd has and always will be the red-headed stepchild of the Taldren series of games. The "community" shunned the player base, the so-called "Nannerites" and other SFC3 players long ago.
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I just want to say that I have no idea who is right in this but I will direct some to look at this links:
http://www.nightsoft.net/triangle/Resources.htm
Prior to Triangle I'm sure I've seen a XI or 11th fleet in the community and I think it was called the Rangers. Sadly most of the old records on the net are gone so I can't verify one way or the other.
To both parties: I implore you to take this discussion else where. It's a fleet matter and should be handled either by the diplomats or on the battle field. Swearing and flaming prove nothing and will solve nothing. Fleets have forever had these problems and I know from personal experience that posting attacks here will not resolve this.
Work it out but please keep the flames off this forum.
Good day gentlemen.
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this has zip to do with the 9th fleet or anyone else besides vangards and the rangers. you guys need to work that issue out between your selves. please do not drag others into this.
thanks.
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Work it out but please keep the flames off this forum.
Good idea, my forums are there if you'd like to use them, i'll make a password protected area and you can pm me for the password. http://s4.invisionfree.com/waffle
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I think I'll go and copyright the Letter "E".
Stephen
You can't! Sesame Street beat you to it.
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Castrin, I think it might be best to lock this topic ... It really is doing no good.
Why Sandman felt the need to headline this thread is beyond longstanding members of the REAL 11thFleet. He has done it in recent days on other boards as well. The REAL 11thFleet didn't create this issue, gentlemen, but they are trying to respond to it.
Castrin, are there other Rebal Knights [RK] who play on the same Dynaverse? When I see that name, I know you are the admiral of that fleet ... you get my point.
When the 9th takes wing, they don't worry about another 9th using their name.
It just isn't right gentlemen.
The Firesoul thread remains open on name theft, but I think the REAL 11thFleet would appreciate it if this thread -- and ill-timed I might add -- was locked and archived.
Bishop and Sandman and the 9th will settle this matter behind closed doors. That is probably the best way at this point.
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... and we all know who "we" is, really.
It's no secret that this board is heavily OP oriented and the EAW/OP personnel would rather SFC3 and its players dropped off the face of the Earth.
When the so-called Taldrenites talk of "community" ... the SFC3 crowd has and always will be the red-headed stepchild of the Taldren series of games. The "community" shunned the player base, the so-called "Nannerites" and other SFC3 players long ago.
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So? OP has NOTHINING to do with SFC3. NOTHING. I really do not care one way or the other about SFC3 other than some of my SFC2/OP buddies play it.
There is no reason to keep up the charade of being a united community. We are not. We are 2 seperate communities we a few overlapping members. The games have nothing to do with each other. It is lunacy to believe otherwise.
BTW, the SFC3 people have much more entertaining flamewars. keep it up :)
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p.s. didin't want to add any more confusion but there is another 11th Fleet out there: http://www31.brinkster.com/thenewfrontiers/ ... it's an PBEMS RPG fleet and is not really relevant to the current discussion other than pointing out that the words "11th Fleet" are hardly singular to only this case.
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There is no reason to keep up the charade of being a united community. We are not. We are 2 seperate communities we a few overlapping members.
Hear, hear.
Finally someone said it. +karma for that, sir.
You are right ... there is no need to keep up the charade about the so-called "community."
I have played both games for three years, albiet since SFC3 came out and I left 14G, I have played SFC3 almost exclusively.
A few months back, Frey and I hooked up for a couple of games of OP in his TeamSpeak. I had a good time -- always did with EAW/OP.
But yes, sir ... these communities are entirely different.
And speaking of flame wars, I hear the EAW/OP crowd had some on Taldren boards that make one's like this look minor in comparison.
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It's no secret that this board is heavily OP oriented and the EAW/OP personnel would rather SFC3 and its players dropped off the face of the Earth.
When the so-called Taldrenites talk of "community" ... the SFC3 crowd has and always will be the red-headed stepchild of the Taldren series of games. The "community" shunned the player base, the so-called "Nannerites" and other SFC3 players long ago.
Only if you wish it to be so. Great leaders unite communities ... others divide. Which are you?
I've played and supported both EaW, OP, and SFC3. Can you say the same? If yes, why stop? If no, why not?
I feel there is room for all here. It up to those here to stop trying to drive a mythical wedge between us all.
Peace.
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I've played and supported both EaW, OP, and SFC3. Can you say the same? If yes, why stop? If no, why not?
I started on SFC3 and i won't play a predecessor. Why? Because it would be like playing GTA Vice City then going back to GTA London, you just don't do things like that. Sequals are improvements otherwise it wouldn't be a sequal. Again if the admins here are fed up with this conversation, my boards are open http://s4.invisionfree.com/waffle/index.php?
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Castrin, I think it might be best to lock this topic ... It really is doing no good.
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Bishop and Sandman and the 9th will settle this matter behind closed doors. That is probably the best way at this point.
Discussion is always worth the time, if done in a polite and well mannered way (of course flame wars can be fun too :)). I'm usually against locking threads and prefer the people to change the tenor of things.
Please note I was not trying to point out who was right or wrong just that the manner that people were dealing with this was not going to solve the issue. I'm glad that they will meet and deal with this in private. It's best for all.
Peace.
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I've played and supported both EaW, OP, and SFC3. Can you say the same? If yes, why stop? If no, why not?
I started on SFC3 and i won't play a predecessor. Why? Because it would be like playing GTA Vice City then going back to GTA London, you just don't do things like that. Sequals are improvements otherwise it wouldn't be a sequal. Again if the admins here are fed up with this conversation, my boards are open [url]http://s4.invisionfree.com/waffle/index.php?[/url]
I tried MOO3, went back to MOO2.
Recently went back to Civ2 from Civ3.
Tried SFC3, that lasted less than a week.
Oh, and this whole thread about fleet names is ridiculous.
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It's no secret that this board is heavily OP oriented and the EAW/OP personnel would rather SFC3 and its players dropped off the face of the Earth.
When the so-called Taldrenites talk of "community" ... the SFC3 crowd has and always will be the red-headed stepchild of the Taldren series of games. The "community" shunned the player base, the so-called "Nannerites" and other SFC3 players long ago.
Only if you wish it to be so. Great leaders unite communities ... others divide. Which are you?
I've played and supported both EaW, OP, and SFC3. Can you say the same? If yes, why stop? If no, why not?
I feel there is room for all here. It up to those here to stop trying to drive a mythical wedge between us all.
Peace.
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RK-AdmCastrin, I have made efforts to bring the two sides to a common table, so has Fluf, Nannerslug ... so have others.
The Unity Team recently began porting dozens of EAW/OP ships, now up for download and flyable in the D-3. The topic is up on SFC2.net, your site, sir .. and others.
The Federation Protection Fleet spokesman is correct. He hit the nail on the head HARD.
This is two communities ... When I left 14G in OP/EAW, there was an attempt to bring them to SFC3, but it just never happened.
Castrin, as close to ONE community I have seen is your site: http://www.sfcx.org/
And maybe that is the best way to keep it -- moderated and pre-approved statements from modders, community and fleet leaders.
I must commend you, Castrin, in all seriousness, for running one of the best, most compehenisve COMMUNITY boards on the Net.
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I've played and supported both EaW, OP, and SFC3. Can you say the same? If yes, why stop? If no, why not?
I started on SFC3 and i won't play a predecessor. Why? Because it would be like playing GTA Vice City then going back to GTA London, you just don't do things like that. Sequals are improvements otherwise it wouldn't be a sequal. Again if the admins here are fed up with this conversation, my boards are open [url]http://s4.invisionfree.com/waffle/index.php?[/url]
Your point is taken however my counter point is that SFC3 is not a sequal as much as an evolution. The games of OP and SFC3 are quite different and appeal to different parts of the community.
To not know from where SFC3 comes is a denial of it's history and you short yourself in that regard.
Of course I'm not here to convince you to play OP. SFC3 is a great game and for it's goals it delivers well. If you never play OP you won't die, but you won't understand the differences either.
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Your point is taken however my counter point is that SFC3 is not a sequal as much as an evolution.
Evolution or revolution?
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Your point is taken however my counter point is that SFC3 is not a sequal as much as an evolution.
Evolution or revolution?
Heh, I stand by the word I used.
If Taldren had rewriten the game from the ground up but kept the same goal then I would use the later. But SFC3 code is based on OP code, only much changed and yes, advanced in many ways. So I use 'evolution' not 'revolution'.
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I've got all three loaded and have since they came out ...
Unity, GAW, NDF, Dominion Wars, LB-5 (even ol' TNZ was changing as KoraH left) and others ... have tried in VC's and roleplay scenarios to give the Taldrenites a reason to play the servers. The VC's -- and not just a shoot em' up scan war -- do make the SFC3 game more interesting and fun.
There are ships we ported with permission from the Ferel shipyards to EAW (Iceman's work) ... We have a new race of Pirates never before flown on the D-3 coming to the next Unity camp, for instance, and many MiraK, OP and other races appear.
Like I said, I've played em' both ... all Trek games. I never claimed to be the best pilot, but hit the top 5 statistically in win/loss ratios in GZLeagues for EAW when 2,000 members were signed in two years ago.
The D-3 has learned alot from D-2 ... and adapted the game to what we have to work with, which admittedly isn't the 9 races and some of the playability of the D-2.
It's not the games, per sae, but the player base.
It's like crossing the Iron Curtain.
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Your point is taken however my counter point is that SFC3 is not a sequal as much as an evolution.
Evolution or revolution?
Heh, I stand by the word I used.
If Taldren had rewriten the game from the ground up but kept the same goal then I would use the later. But SFC3 code is based on OP code, only much changed and yes, advanced in many ways. So I use 'evolution' not 'revolution'.
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Code yes, Content no.
The only thing the 2 game have in common is they both vaguely resemble Star Trek.
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I've played and supported both EaW, OP, and SFC3. Can you say the same? If yes, why stop? If no, why not?
I started on SFC3 and i won't play a predecessor. Why? Because it would be like playing GTA Vice City then going back to GTA London, you just don't do things like that. Sequals are improvements otherwise it wouldn't be a sequal. Again if the admins here are fed up with this conversation, my boards are open [url]http://s4.invisionfree.com/waffle/index.php?[/url]
It's this type of hyperbole that continues to drive the mythical wedge WaterTiger, WildCard and others continually hype on. I am unsure of the reasoning of this continued mis-information but I am quite frankly sick of it. So, prepare yourself for the truth.
EAW / OP is a different FLAVOR of the SFC Series, but to say that sequels are improvments and apply that to SFC3 out of the box, heck even patched right now in a comparative nature to EAW / OP is patently ridiculous. While EAW / OP had it's bearload of bugs upon first release, SFC3 unfortunately suffered from Activisions lack of caring for the SFC Community audience in addition to an accelerated development schedule. That SFC3 is an "improvement" is a misnomer, and misleading. It's a different style of game.
... and we all know who "we" is, really.
It's no secret that this board is heavily OP oriented and the EAW/OP personnel would rather SFC3 and its players dropped off the face of the Earth.
When the so-called Taldrenites talk of "community" ... the SFC3 crowd has and always will be the red-headed stepchild of the Taldren series of games. The "community" shunned the player base, the so-called "Nannerites" and other SFC3 players long ago.
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WaterTiger once again you are spewing more mis-information while avoiding the simplest of answers. You post insulting comments about myself on other websites and forums, including that I never answer a question but respond with insults. Mayhaps you are projecting your own actions, I do not know no care to venture a quess at this point. What I do know is that the only reason ANYONE may have this perception is largly due to your continued reciting of it over.. and over...and over.
IT IS NOT TRUE. WaterTiger is speaking words which are purposefully designed to convey the impression of negativety and pull support from D.net?
Why is this, WaterTiger? Direct question, no spinning, can you answer that directly?
Not only is his statement ridiculous, in fact, you'll see today just how untrue it is. You're also going to see in the future some pretty awesome things for Starfleet Command 3 coming out of D.Net. Mark those words, and let us prove them with actions, not flames, accusations and more community dividing rhetoric. From this point forward, if you speak or post something that is not true or mis-information, your post will be edited to reflect such. You are no longer going to have free-reign to publically promote your personal viewpoints because we've received over 100 complaints regarding just that behavior. The community has spoken, and at this point we feel like it's necessary to protect ourselves from your misinformation as we've asked you - heck I've asked you - nicely to stop with these innuendoes and comments that are NOT TRUE.
I find it very interesting that from page 1 to page 5 it's all about lawsuits, lawyers reined in, then suddenly when the truth of the legalities is revealed now it's "well it wasn't about the law...It's about (insult insult here) fleet ". Then what was the point of bringing all that up unless you were either :
A. Baiting
B. Lying about the whole deal just to bring more controvery to your life.
I can see where DieHard's comments can be echoed by many other of the silent majorities that frequent our site. It unfortunate that many in the SFC3 Community have presented just such a profile to the existing community members. The thing that people seem to find most insulting? That many in the SFC3 community have no respect - as displayed here by WaterTiger and several others - of the ongoing history we've had here in the SFC Community. While many individuals may state they've been around for years and years and years, they consistantly display no respect for the established groups, Fleets and mini-communities that were here long before SFC3 was a gleam in David Ferrells eye. WaterTiger says that SFC3 is the red-headed stepchild of the SFC Community - but it's only because you out there that love SFC3 so much believe that which makes it "true" for you.
Until many of the key people in the SFC3 communty stop listening to the purposeful mis-information campaign that some individuals continue to propogate then yes, perhaps we won't be able to offer as much support as we can. But in all instances people really just don't get it. Dynaverse.Net is the officially sanctioned site by Taldren. We're the ones that have the approval of Taldren, and hence you'd think with the current state of affairs regarding SFC3's patching and functionality that everyone would be working with us to further the community's enjoyment of the SFC3 itself.
Unfortunately, it takes a "team player" mentality to work together with others. It also takes a some common interests and beliefs for people to effectively work together - and I think that in itself is the main difference in the different "camps" of SFC players. I believe the majority of SFC3 players just want to see their game and community continue - without the politics and jockying. Without the insults and innuendo. Without all the extraneous crap. If you want that, then come to D.Net and contribute to the continuation of this great community.
If you want more of what's listed in this thread, keep listening to WaterTiger and all the rest that participated in the negativety of this thread. At least - for all intents and purposes - Sandman and his copatriats did show that they do have certain morals, ethics and standards in my personal opinion. That is appreciated.
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Frey, the only negativity I see is that book you just wrote -- another personal attack.
You are famous for it.
Ask KoraH. ;) Wasn't it you who caused him to exit stage left?
Care to revive his last statement to the "community" and you? I saved it.
And talk about spin. Man, that statement is so twisted and turned upside down, the reader doesn't know which way is up. I refuse to address false premise and flamebait innuendo.
You will split this community down the middle with YOUR rhetoric and repeated personal attacks.
Your boards, your life -- your wedge.
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Damn articulate frey!!! When you rining for office? ;D
Flying Fed on GW3?
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Playing with prefitted ships firing missiles is hardly anything like Trek. ROFL. I have seen so many "wildweasels" used in the series and movies I dont know why they dont have them stock with the franchise. ROFL I cant wait for Picard to order the release of a scatterpack once again. ROFL. It truly makes sense why would you want to refit your ship custom to what you want? Mabey that would be exciteing. Frey keep spreading your banter I am sure they boys here will listen and praise you, since your leading the "HELP IS ON THE WAY" speach.
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Playing with prefitted ships firing missiles is hardly anything like Trek. ROFL. I have seen so many "wildweasels" used in the series and movies I dont know why they dont have them stock with the franchise. ROFL I cant wait for Picard to order the release of a scatterpack once again. ROFL. It truly makes sense why would you want to refit your ship custom to what you want? Mabey that would be exciteing. Frey keep spreading your banter I am sure they boys here will listen and praise you, since your leading the "HELP IS ON THE WAY" speach.
Huh?
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Your point is taken however my counter point is that SFC3 is not a sequel as much as an evolution.
Evolution or revolution?
Heh, I stand by the word I used.
If Taldren had rewritten the game from the ground up but kept the same goal then I would use the later. But SFC3 code is based on OP code, only much changed and yes, advanced in many ways. So I use 'evolution' not 'revolution'.
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Code yes, Content no.
The only thing the 2 game have in common is they both vaguely resemble Star Trek.
Code is the only common denominator IMHO when it comes to game platforms.
How would you classify Homeworld 1 compared to Homeworld 2? Or EF1 to EF2?
Point is that SFC3 = ST:TNG and EaW/OP = SFB which is based on ST:TOS ... TNG evolved from TOS and the TMP eras as a natural progression. So to did SFC3 from OP. SFC3 just removed much of the "non-canon" stuff to appeal to a larger demographic. It also added things from SFB that were missing from OP. But in the end they share much of the mechanics that make the game and that is where a game is judged on being "revolutionary".
An example of revolutionary is the coming Halflife game compared to it's predecessor.
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Any talk about this BOARD favoring SFC2 over SFC3 is not true. I recommend people who read this ask themselves the question, why is anyone repeating this like a mantra. Is there any possbility of an agenda which would like to promote such a misbelief?
Don't buy it. It's just another attempt to divide the community.
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But in all instances people really just don't get it. Dynaverse.Net is the officially sanctioned site by Taldren. We're the ones that have the approval of Taldren, and hence you'd think with the current state of affairs regarding SFC3's patching and functionality that everyone would be working with us to further the community's enjoyment of the SFC3 itself.
I don't care who left you in charge of world domination, Frey.
You are just another . on the Web, like us all.
And perhaps you can learn from Castrin on how to represent "the community." ;)
http://www.sfcx.org/
I'll visit Castrin's site without your spin before I listen to more hypocritical drivle.
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Frey, the only negativity I see is that book you just wrote -- another personal attack.
You are famous for it.
Ask KoraH. ;) Wasn't it you who caused him to exit stage left?
Care to revive his last statement to the "community" and you? I saved it.
And talk about spin. Man, that statement is so twisted and turned upside down, the reader doesn't know which way is up. I refuse to address false premise and flamebait innuendo.
You will split this community down the middle with YOUR rhetoric and repeated personal attacks.
Your boards, your life -- your wedge.
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Please do.
Post it. Enough of the threats and insuinuations (sp). Post your mis-information and we'll make sure the truth is relayed. Once again you have an opportunity to act in a positive manner, and instead you act negatively.
So please do - let's let the community know what TRULY happened regarding KorAH and you. If you think you are the only one with "screenshots" then you are sadly mistaken. I cannot sit idly by any more while you consistantly demean and insult the hard work that all have put into this. You even had a chance to be a part of this WaterTiger, but you turned it down. I wonder why?
The bottom line is D.Net is dedicated to ALL versions of SFC, and you continue to try to say that isn't so.
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SFC3 just removed much of the "non-canon" stuff to appeal to a larger demographic. . . .
And added a whole bunch of it's own non-cannon stuff.
Cannon Trek Galaxy class has 10 Photons forward, 10 aft. Check the geeky tech manual.
In Cannon Trek, does it make sense to build a ship without shields?
Fighters are cannon Trek as per DS9. The are nowhere to be found except with the modders adding them in.
Those stock SFC3 weapon arcs sure are cannon aren't they.
Wow, how many times have i seen a Klingon ship fire a Polaron Torp in a Trek show?
Get my point?
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The only attempt to split this community comes from those who keep instructing others on how to behave while failing to do so themselves.
Crying wolf and the sky is falling is a tactic used to promote false ideas and unnecessary misdirected concern.
An example: outrage over any suggestion that their mod might have been misused while the same person posts elsewhere that Battlezone was taken from Unity, all because of a single typo by someone who just wasn't authoritative to begin with about the issue.
No attempt was made to ascertain the truth before the accusation went out. The hypocrisy is telling.
That relates to the current situation as follows. No ability to calmly discuss an issue. Instead we see veiled legal threats, demands, poor language, and pure nastiness to those who did discuss the issue calmly. The excuse? Because D.net favors SFC2 over SFC3.
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Ok, you asked for it.
It's got some language in it. You want the edited or unedited version?
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The only attempt to split this community comes from those who keep instructing others on how to behave while failing to do so themselves.
Crying wolf and the sky is falling is a tactic used to promote false ideas and unnecessary misdirected concern.
An example: outrage over any suggestion that their mod might have been misused while the same person posts elsewhere that Battlezone was taken from Unity, all because of a single typo by someone who just wasn't authoritative to begin with about the issue.
No attempt was made to ascertain the truth before the accusation went out. The hypocrisy is telling.
Exactly, I know that you and I both have played all the versions of the game.
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Playing with prefitted ships firing missiles is hardly anything like Trek. ROFL. I have seen so many "wildweasels" used in the series and movies I dont know why they dont have them stock with the franchise. ROFL I cant wait for Picard to order the release of a scatterpack once again. ROFL. It truly makes sense why would you want to refit your ship custom to what you want? Mabey that would be exciteing. Frey keep spreading your banter I am sure they boys here will listen and praise you, since your leading the "HELP IS ON THE WAY" speach.
Ahhem .... when was the last time the captain to the USS Kitty Hawk was allowed to remove those blased AA guns and mount a few 16" turrets on the deck?
Ok, here, when was the last time Picard was allowed to head to dry dock and swap out those annoying Ph11s for a few better Pulse Phasers ah and ditch those crap Phots for Quantums? Yeah I remember that episode <sacasim> ;)
SFC3 is great but don't fool yourself, as an acurate representation of the ST warfare scene it's not. It's a fun game that gives you a lot of options, be happy. OP is a game that strives to be more a battle field simulation than SFC3 and it does it very well.
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The only attempt to split this community comes from those who keep instructing others on how to behave while failing to do so themselves.
Crying wolf and the sky is falling is a tactic used to promote false ideas and unnecessary misdirected concern.
WTF?
Who cried wolf or anything?
I agree with FPF. It's two communities. Any attempt to stuff your version down the throat of the crowd with the pom pom chicks cheering in the background won't work.
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Ok, you asked for it.
It's got some language in it. You want the edited or unedited version?
You guys think you could take this some where else? I'm trying to have a disscussion in a thread I've hijacked.
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It's not the games, per sae, but the player base.
No, its the game.
I love TNG Trek, grew up on it. I would love to have a game in that setting with as rich of a history and tactical depth of SFB. SFC3 ain't it. Us OP people who do not like the game play of SFC3 will never switch over. We simply do not like playing SFC3.
hell, most of us have bought it and tried it. Out opinion is not based on ignorance.
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I agree with FPF. It's two communities. Any attempt to stuff your version down the throat of the crowd with the pom pom chicks cheering in the background won't work.
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How is OP being shoved down anyone's throat? I fail to see that.
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Playing with prefitted ships firing missiles is hardly anything like Trek. ROFL. I have seen so many "wildweasels" used in the series and movies I dont know why they dont have them stock with the franchise. ROFL I cant wait for Picard to order the release of a scatterpack once again. ROFL. It truly makes sense why would you want to refit your ship custom to what you want? Mabey that would be exciteing. Frey keep spreading your banter I am sure they boys here will listen and praise you, since your leading the "HELP IS ON THE WAY" speach.
LOL I love this.
Define your statement "It truly makes sense why would you want to refit your ship custom to what you want", no let me define it for you.
In SFC3 you can "upgrade" your weapons to different variations of said weapons, as well as place said weapons on which ever hardpoint you would like on the ships hull. This results in very cool manner of customization with a limited amount of combinations of weapons. Hull classes are limited, as are the available selection of ships.
In SFC2, you can "upgrade" your load outs regarding the different weapons ammunition, as well as having over 500 ships in the current incarnation of the OP Plus 3.3 shiplist. The real difference is management. Those that favor SFC2 favor the extensive and exhaustive management aspects of the game. They LIKE having "total" control over their energy allocation, weapons and the like. Those that favor SFC3 state they enjoy the "2 minute matches" regarding PVP. So, thanks WildCard for point this out - very astute although I don't think you were aware of the true implications - the difference isn't so much in the GAMES as in the STYLE OF PLAYING.
All the versions of SFC have their own distinctive draws, or do you deny that?
All the versions of SFC have their won merits regarding playability, customization and the like, or do you deny that?
So really what it again boils down to is your entire comment is designed to convey a negative concept in regards to your interpretation / like / dislike of SFC2 / OP. While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, posting such in a negative manner speaks volumes of yourself.
WaterTiger, again I would ask that you answer my question instead of trying - once again - to create another "tense" or "argumentative" situation to divert the attention to my question.
Stay focused, and just answer the question please.
P.S. Be my guest to post whatever you'd like in the XC forums. Post your screenshots, etc. etc. Just remember that it's not just me that has a record of that entire incident. Make sure you've not "edited for clarity" your "evidence" to heavily, WT. Ultimately this will result in your own self-destruction.
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Playing with prefitted ships firing missiles is hardly anything like Trek. ROFL. I have seen so many "wildweasels" used in the series and movies I dont know why they dont have them stock with the franchise. ROFL I cant wait for Picard to order the release of a scatterpack once again. ROFL. It truly makes sense why would you want to refit your ship custom to what you want? Mabey that would be exciteing. Frey keep spreading your banter I am sure they boys here will listen and praise you, since your leading the "HELP IS ON THE WAY" speach.
Ahhem .... when was the last time the captain to the USS Kitty Hawk was allowed to remove those blased AA guns and mount a few 16" turrets on the deck?
Ok, here, when was the last time Picard was allowed to head to dry dock and swap out those annoying Ph11s for a few better Pulse Phasers ah and ditch those crap Phots for Quantums? Yeah I remember that episode <sacasim> ;)
SFC3 is great but don't fool yourself, as an acurate representation of the ST warfare scene it's not. It's a fun game that gives you a lot of options, be happy. OP is a game that strives to be more a battle field simulation than SFC3 and it does it very well.
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Dude do you even watch Star Trek? ROFL aparantly not. I have seen the movie where it is talked about the enterprise getting the updated quantum torpedo, matter of fact I saw the defiant get them too. Funny how during the life of a Starship it gets REFITTED every so often. And why would you place pulse phasers on a starhip when they were designed for a escort ship? Apparantly you need to stay in the D2 where you estute inability for clear and rational thought will stay subdued.
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I agree with FPF. It's two communities. Any attempt to stuff your version down the throat of the crowd with the pom pom chicks cheering in the background won't work.
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How is OP being shoved down anyone's throat? I fail to see that.
Got me, I'm developing a new server for each ...
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The interaction is a pointed way to see who reacts in what way, and to draw conclusions based on the form and style of the argument.
Here we have a conflict. That is nothing new. However, unfortunately, a chance to resolve a conflict peacefully is not the chosen path by all concerned. Instead we see negative methods and positive ones used. The negative ones are typical and play like a scratched CD (I upgraded the broken record metaphor).
Would those who react negatively ever be capable of self-examination and the determination of a new more positive path?
Now, that is up to them ...
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An example: outrage over any suggestion that their mod might have been misused while the same person posts elsewhere that Battlezone was taken from Unity, all because of a single typo by someone who just wasn't authoritative to begin with about the issue.
AdmFrey. You know exactly why I did that. How did it feel?
The BattleZone admin (Kane) wonders the boards and posts innuendo that Unity was stolen. Your own XC members wear a siggie showing this:
(http://www.battleclinic.com/users/kane/freighters/aunitystolen.jpg)
The fact that BattleClinic even allows this rage to be posted and the fact that a high-ranking member of XC touts this trite manuer for a signature on sfc2.net is insidious.
YOUR people know the truth on Unity, as does Kane.
Nannerslug printed information that BattleZone used Unity as a base for it's mod -- which I thought about as ironic as the original allegation that WaterTiger stole Unity. Gimmie a break, Frey.
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P.S. Kortez, don't preach to me about "negativity" when the XC crowd and Xenocorp spew it 24/7
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Dude do you even watch Star Trek? ROFL aparantly not. I have seen the movie where it is talked about the enterprise getting the updated quantum torpedo, matter of fact I saw the defiant get them too. Funny how during the life of a Starship it gets REFITTED every so often. And why would you place pulse phasers on a starhip when they were designed for a escort ship? Apparantly you need to stay in the D2 where you estute inability for clear and rational thought will stay subdued.
:troll:
WT is right, it isn't the game, it is the players.
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Playing with prefitted ships firing missiles is hardly anything like Trek. ROFL. I have seen so many "wildweasels" used in the series and movies I dont know why they dont have them stock with the franchise. ROFL I cant wait for Picard to order the release of a scatterpack once again. ROFL. It truly makes sense why would you want to refit your ship custom to what you want? Mabey that would be exciteing. Frey keep spreading your banter I am sure they boys here will listen and praise you, since your leading the "HELP IS ON THE WAY" speach.
LOL I love this.
Define your statement "It truly makes sense why would you want to refit your ship custom to what you want", no let me define it for you.
In SFC3 you can "upgrade" your weapons to different variations of said weapons, as well as place said weapons on which ever hardpoint you would like on the ships hull. This results in very cool manner of customization with a limited amount of combinations of weapons. Hull classes are limited, as are the available selection of ships.
In SFC2, you can "upgrade" your load outs regarding the different weapons ammunition, as well as having over 500 ships in the current incarnation of the OP Plus 3.3 shiplist. The real difference is management. Those that favor SFC2 favor the extensive and exhaustive management aspects of the game. They LIKE having "total" control over their energy allocation, weapons and the like. Those that favor SFC3 state they enjoy the "2 minute matches" regarding PVP. So, thanks WildCard for point this out - very astute although I don't think you were aware of the true implications - the difference isn't so much in the GAMES as in the STYLE OF PLAYING.
All the versions of SFC have their own distinctive draws, or do you deny that?
All the versions of SFC have their won merits regarding playability, customization and the like, or do you deny that?
So really what it again boils down to is your entire comment is designed to convey a negative concept in regards to your interpretation / like / dislike of SFC2 / OP. While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, posting such in a negative manner speaks volumes of yourself.
WaterTiger, again I would ask that you answer my question instead of trying - once again - to create another "tense" or "argumentative" situation to divert the attention to my question.
Stay focused, and just answer the question please.
P.S. Be my guest to post whatever you'd like in the XC forums. Post your screenshots, etc. etc. Just remember that it's not just me that has a record of that entire incident. Make sure you've not "edited for clarity" your "evidence" to heavily, WT. Ultimately this will result in your own self-destruction.
Frey do you really believe your banter? Or are you just so self absorbed to believe what you murmmer? I think you would do much better trying to buy websites and take over the star trek universe like allways.
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Frey do you really believe your banter? Or are you just so self absorbed to believe what you murmmer? I think you would do much better trying to buy websites and take over the star trek universe like allways.
Are you insane, on medication, or a child? I need to know this before I flame you into the next life.
Frey has done nothing but help the community, he deserves more respect than this.
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Frey do you really believe your banter? Or are you just so self absorbed to believe what you murmmer? I think you would do much better trying to buy websites and take over the star trek universe like allways.
He believes it, Wild. And he ran out of .net addresses to snag.
Watch your GQ site. He'll do a quick grab on that, too.
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Exactely. People have different tastes...mine is SFC3...yours might be OP (BORING) but to each their own....but at least be civil and respectful towards the OTHER person's choice of games. Most of the OP people I have talked to or know are good people...but you have your A**HOLES....just like we do in SFC3. The a**holes are usually the most vocal...its really to bad...they are the ones destroying this little "community"...not much anyone can do about it. So just sit back and have fun with your friends and your game...ignore everyone else...if I could learn to do this...ANYONE can. 8)
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P.S. Kortez, don't preach to me about "negativity" when the XC crowd and Xenocorp spew it 24/7
You see, you have extreme trouble with civil conversation, and face it, WaterTiger, you do this on a lot of forums, including your own. Your choice of "spew" as a word has a typically negative connotation, along with your attack on XenoCorp. If one reciprocated your reaction would be less than civil.
My question, is two fold. Is it necessary (i.e. are you capable of reacting differently), and does it suit your needs (i.e. in the end do you really promote anything positive by such actions)?
Personal responsibility is something you tend to push at others while eschewing for yourself. Have I misunderstood?
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Playing with prefitted ships firing missiles is hardly anything like Trek. ROFL. I have seen so many "wildweasels" used in the series and movies I dont know why they dont have them stock with the franchise. ROFL I cant wait for Picard to order the release of a scatterpack once again. ROFL. It truly makes sense why would you want to refit your ship custom to what you want? Mabey that would be exciteing. Frey keep spreading your banter I am sure they boys here will listen and praise you, since your leading the "HELP IS ON THE WAY" speach.
Ahhem .... when was the last time the captain to the USS Kitty Hawk was allowed to remove those blased AA guns and mount a few 16" turrets on the deck?
Ok, here, when was the last time Picard was allowed to head to dry dock and swap out those annoying Ph11s for a few better Pulse Phasers ah and ditch those crap Phots for Quantums? Yeah I remember that episode <sacasim> ;)
SFC3 is great but don't fool yourself, as an acurate representation of the ST warfare scene it's not. It's a fun game that gives you a lot of options, be happy. OP is a game that strives to be more a battle field simulation than SFC3 and it does it very well.
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Dude do you even watch Star Trek? ROFL aparantly not. I have seen the movie where it is talked about the enterprise getting the updated quantum torpedo, matter of fact I saw the defiant get them too. Funny how during the life of a Starship it gets REFITTED every so often. And why would you place pulse phasers on a starhip when they were designed for a escort ship? Apparantly you need to stay in the D2 where you estute inability for clear and rational thought will stay subdued.
Wildcard I'm gonna have to call you on this. Please explain to me where / when the Enterprise was getting updated quantum torpedoes? The first instance that quantum torpedoes was even mentioned was in 1st Contact, where the new Sovvy class was revealed after the destruction of NCC 1701 D. Do the timelines stuff and call me back when yer done.
Your argument about "pulse phasers" is also lacking. Interestingly enough photon torpedoes were the Federation staple for, I'm sorry - how long ? 35 years?
And exactly where are you drawing your information regarding the creation of pulse phasers for escort ships only? Please quote cannon references or make sure to state you've got no empirical evidence to support your claim. Line class ships in the TOS / TMP / TNG era were upgraded just as warships are today, and Castrin's point is obvious to the extreme. If you are trying to say that the fact that you can take your starship into spacedock and swap out WARP CORES is even remotely cannon, I'll let that statement speak for itself.
"Um Yea, StarFleet ? This is Captain WildCard. Look, I need to do some serious reconfiguration of my ship here, okay? I need to swap out some phasers, Oh yea, can I get a couple of those new Quantum torpedoe launchers? Oh yea, and I need the entire WARP CORE swapped out okay? While we're at it, let's just replace my Computer systems, Anti-Cload technology, and impulse engines themselves".
"What do you mean, 'Starfleet Core of Engineers'? I don't understand 'revisions' specs. And dangit I want this to be done in the next three hours or so. Oh yea, and BTW would you please tell Spock to stop screwing around over there on the Enterprise and let him know I've reassigned him to my ship?"
"MMMkay, thanks".
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Frey, please answer my question regarding your fleet members and the slap in the face to the Knights (now 11th) regarding months and months of work ...
You say clean my porch? Look at your own.
Don't preach to me about integrity when your house has rats in it.
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P.S. Kortez, don't preach to me about "negativity" when the XC crowd and Xenocorp spew it 24/7
You see, you have extreme trouble with civil conversation, and face it, WaterTiger, you do this on a lot of forums, including your own. Your choice of "spew" as a word has a typically negative connation, along with your attack on XenoCorp. If one reciprocated your reaction would be less than civil.
My question, is two fold. Is it necessary (i.e. are you capable of reacting differently), and does it suit your needs (i.e. in the end do you really promote anything positive by such actions)?
Personal responsibility is something you tend to push at others while eschewing for yourself. Have I misunderstood?
XC is your fleet, right?
Why do you allow your members to launch personal attacks regarding the Unity mod?
Explain "negativity" to me Kortez. Discect the word. Your "secret police" of XC (not a fleet, not a company) ... they know it well, eh?
They visit other forums -- not wearing fleet tags -- (KingKong) and hide under false pretense. Then they openly do it in sfc2.net flame forums. Blade_XC even admitted it in Islandwars Flame Forums.
Your fleet supports that? *snickers*
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Frey do you really believe your banter? Or are you just so self absorbed to believe what you murmmer? I think you would do much better trying to buy websites and take over the star trek universe like allways.
He believes it, Wild. And he ran out of .net addresses to snag.
Watch your GQ site. He'll do a quick grab on that, too.
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You attempt to bait and become ever more uncivil, all for what purpose?
I am sure you're capable of using more harmonious and civil language.
Tone down the personal attacks.
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The first instance that quantum torpedoes was even mentioned was in 1st Contact, where the new Sovvy class was revealed after the destruction of NCC 1701 D. Do the timelines stuff and call me back when yer done.
I have to call you on that
The first incidence i recollect was the USS Defiant NX-74205 which was launched BEFORE the Enterprise E and it always had Quantums.
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What ever Happened to the 8.10 &12 Fleets.The good thing about SFC3 is it has more mods and are constantly being updated.The Pelican himself is working on Dom Wars 5.0.There is basically only 1 mod for SFC2OP and it is Pestalence's OP Enhancement Pack 2.0.The younger players under 25 prefer SFC3.I would say in order to increase the player base in D2 and OP is move away from SFB and make it more SFC like.I still say that OP is a great game and fun but the Fleets are dyeing.This is mostly in GSA of course.I am talking about the ones registered at STGD.There are no new ones registered. The only one in here registered at STGD is the SSCF.
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I'll go a step further, WaterTiger. Cease the personal attacks.
Rgr that Kortez. Any chance that appreciation can be shown me here by same said site owner? Read his book above. There is a fine line between personal attacks and charachter assasination, agreed?
His statement is littered with personal attacks, false pretense and veiled innuendo. Hell, at least on the STGD forums I give myself a warning when I go off on someone.
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P.S. I see you are still avoiding my question regarding internal house keeping as it applies to the allegded Unity theft issue that one very prominet XC member and d.net admin has launched in other forums.
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You guys all do realize this is about a computer game right????
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The first instance that quantum torpedoes was even mentioned was in 1st Contact, where the new Sovvy class was revealed after the destruction of NCC 1701 D. Do the timelines stuff and call me back when yer done.
I have to call you on that
The first incidence i recollect was the USS Defiant NX-74205 which was launched BEFORE the Enterprise E and it always had Quantums.
Ahh yes you are correct. I think it'd be interesting to check the timeline and see how that relates to the movies.
Good point, Chucky!!
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Playing with prefitted ships firing missiles is hardly anything like Trek. ROFL. I have seen so many "wildweasels" used in the series and movies I dont know why they dont have them stock with the franchise. ROFL I cant wait for Picard to order the release of a scatterpack once again. ROFL. It truly makes sense why would you want to refit your ship custom to what you want? Mabey that would be exciteing. Frey keep spreading your banter I am sure they boys here will listen and praise you, since your leading the "HELP IS ON THE WAY" speach.
Ahhem .... when was the last time the captain to the USS Kitty Hawk was allowed to remove those blased AA guns and mount a few 16" turrets on the deck?
Ok, here, when was the last time Picard was allowed to head to dry dock and swap out those annoying Ph11s for a few better Pulse Phasers ah and ditch those crap Phots for Quantums? Yeah I remember that episode <sacasim> ;)
SFC3 is great but don't fool yourself, as an acurate representation of the ST warfare scene it's not. It's a fun game that gives you a lot of options, be happy. OP is a game that strives to be more a battle field simulation than SFC3 and it does it very well.
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Dude do you even watch Star Trek? ROFL aparantly not. I have seen the movie where it is talked about the enterprise getting the updated quantum torpedo, matter of fact I saw the defiant get them too. Funny how during the life of a Starship it gets REFITTED every so often. And why would you place pulse phasers on a starhip when they were designed for a escort ship? Apparantly you need to stay in the D2 where you estute inability for clear and rational thought will stay subdued.
Wildcard I'm gonna have to call you on this. Please explain to me where / when the Enterprise was getting updated quantum torpedoes? The first instance that quantum torpedoes was even mentioned was in 1st Contact, where the new Sovvy class was revealed after the destruction of NCC 1701 D. Do the timelines stuff and call me back when yer done.
Your argument about "pulse phasers" is also lacking. Interestingly enough photon torpedoes were the Federation staple for, I'm sorry - how long ? 35 years?
And exactly where are you drawing your information regarding the creation of pulse phasers for escort ships only? Please quote cannon references or make sure to state you've got no empirical evidence to support your claim. Line class ships in the TOS / TMP / TNG era were upgraded just as warships are today, and Castrin's point is obvious to the extreme. If you are trying to say that the fact that you can take your starship into spacedock and swap out WARP CORES is even remotely cannon, I'll let that statement speak for itself.
"Um Yea, StarFleet ? This is Captain WildCard. Look, I need to do some serious reconfiguration of my ship here, okay? I need to swap out some phasers, Oh yea, can I get a couple of those new Quantum torpedoe launchers? Oh yea, and I need the entire WARP CORE swapped out okay? While we're at it, let's just replace my Computer systems, Anti-Cload technology, and impulse engines themselves".
"What do you mean, 'Starfleet Core of Engineers'? I don't understand 'revisions' specs. And dangit I want this to be done in the next three hours or so. Oh yea, and BTW would you please tell Spock to stop screwing around over there on the Enterprise and let him know I've reassigned him to my ship?"
"MMMkay, thanks".
;D
The 1701 had a warp coil and the 1701-A had a warp care the first to do so as Scotty or James Doohan said.
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Playing with prefitted ships firing missiles is hardly anything like Trek. ROFL. I have seen so many "wildweasels" used in the series and movies I dont know why they dont have them stock with the franchise. ROFL I cant wait for Picard to order the release of a scatterpack once again. ROFL. It truly makes sense why would you want to refit your ship custom to what you want? Mabey that would be exciteing. Frey keep spreading your banter I am sure they boys here will listen and praise you, since your leading the "HELP IS ON THE WAY" speach.
Ahhem .... when was the last time the captain to the USS Kitty Hawk was allowed to remove those blased AA guns and mount a few 16" turrets on the deck?
Ok, here, when was the last time Picard was allowed to head to dry dock and swap out those annoying Ph11s for a few better Pulse Phasers ah and ditch those crap Phots for Quantums? Yeah I remember that episode <sacasim> ;)
SFC3 is great but don't fool yourself, as an acurate representation of the ST warfare scene it's not. It's a fun game that gives you a lot of options, be happy. OP is a game that strives to be more a battle field simulation than SFC3 and it does it very well.
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Dude do you even watch Star Trek? ROFL aparantly not. I have seen the movie where it is talked about the enterprise getting the updated quantum torpedo, matter of fact I saw the defiant get them too. Funny how during the life of a Starship it gets REFITTED every so often. And why would you place pulse phasers on a starhip when they were designed for a escort ship? Apparantly you need to stay in the D2 where you estute inability for clear and rational thought will stay subdued.
Wildcard I'm gonna have to call you on this. Please explain to me where / when the Enterprise was getting updated quantum torpedoes? The first instance that quantum torpedoes was even mentioned was in 1st Contact, where the new Sovvy class was revealed after the destruction of NCC 1701 D. Do the timelines stuff and call me back when yer done.
Your argument about "pulse phasers" is also lacking. Interestingly enough photon torpedoes were the Federation staple for, I'm sorry - how long ? 35 years?
And exactly where are you drawing your information regarding the creation of pulse phasers for escort ships only? Please quote cannon references or make sure to state you've got no empirical evidence to support your claim. Line class ships in the TOS / TMP / TNG era were upgraded just as warships are today, and Castrin's point is obvious to the extreme. If you are trying to say that the fact that you can take your starship into spacedock and swap out WARP CORES is even remotely cannon, I'll let that statement speak for itself.
"Um Yea, StarFleet ? This is Captain WildCard. Look, I need to do some serious reconfiguration of my ship here, okay? I need to swap out some phasers, Oh yea, can I get a couple of those new Quantum torpedoe launchers? Oh yea, and I need the entire WARP CORE swapped out okay? While we're at it, let's just replace my Computer systems, Anti-Cload technology, and impulse engines themselves".
"What do you mean, 'Starfleet Core of Engineers'? I don't understand 'revisions' specs. And dangit I want this to be done in the next three hours or so. Oh yea, and BTW would you please tell Spock to stop screwing around over there on the Enterprise and let him know I've reassigned him to my ship?"
"MMMkay, thanks".
;D
Frey it is definately aparant that you know as much about Trek as you know about swabbing the bore of a 16 inch cannon on the deck of the Iowa. And that would be NOTHING. You are dilusional, You need your meds. I can call 911 for you since I work there. I can get you to a hotline that will cure your granduer.
1st Contact is where you see the Quantum being talked about being fitted on the E model. And in DS9 you see the Quantum being used on the Defiant and the Excelsior class ship that Worf had to fight when the Admirality had instated Martial Law. Wake up and pinch yourself Frey get some coffee. Shake off the cobwebs. The Defiant was the only ship EVER described as using the pulse phasers, Not to say you couldnt refit them. Know listen to your banter, What would you do if you had to eject your core? Spend the rest of your tour without one? Well ok mabey you would. But the Warp Cores were meant to be upgraded and changed every so many Warp Hours. Do you even read anything about Trek? Starships for the Vast majority were fitted with type X phaser arrays standard. I am sure they would update them if ever needed. Why not? As for an Aircraft carrier as spewed by Mr Knoweldge, This day and time you see them with a vast array of different weaponary, During the Reagan era we saw the entire US Navy get a complete overhaul and refit to modern technology. I am sure the Federation would do the same, Since you constantly read and hear about the service life of a starship being way over 20 years, Just look at what we have developed and the technology we have improved on over the past 10 years. And it all gets updated and refitted on a daily basis. You clearly speak with extreme misinformation and banter. You should actually have knowledge on a subject before you open you mouth and show how much you dont. A great man once said it is better to remain silent and let people think you a fool than to open your mouth and speak and remove all doubt. I never claimed that pulse phasers were for escort ships only, But we do learn that the Defiant was classed as an escort ship built to fight and defeat the Borg, We also know that the Pulse phaser was a weapon designed to fight and defeat the Borg. The Quantum was built for the Borg. Ablative Armor was for the Borg. Need I go on? A starship has a scheduled refit every so many years to trade out even the Bridge Module, You are really so misinformed and nieve to think they would change a bridge and not the outdated Warp Core you are dummer than I originally thought. My best advise for you is silence before you lose all credibility as a Trek Gamer, And they let you lead a Fleet? Or be an Admiral in one? Did you buy it to? Or is it proof that if your in so long eventually they will have to promote you?
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Wildcard, please be quiet. I'm trying to hijack this thread for a straight answer from Kortez or Frey on XC and their "spin" on integrity as it regards the actions of another XC member and d.net admin who has sullied the laundry.
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According to Ex Astris Scientia
2371 DS9 Season 3 (not yet available)
The newly commissioned Defiant is captured by the Jem'Hadar
2371 Soran destroys whole worlds striving to get back into the Nexus, an energy ribbon moving through the galaxy. In his effort to stop him and save the Veridian system, Picard gets unexpected help from Kirk, who has actually spent the last 78 years inside the Nexus. They succeed, but Kirk loses his life, and the Enterprise-D saucer crashes on Veridian III ("Star Trek: Generations").
2373 A Borg cube attacking Earth is destroyed, however, the Borg travel back to the year 2063 to prevent Cochrane's warp flight and the first Terran-Vulcan contact. The Enterprise-E crew has to correct history. While an away team helps Cochrane, the Borg are taking over the Enterprise-E, and Data is kidnapped by them. Picard reluctantly orders the self-destruction, but he also tries to free Data. Data, pretending to work with the Borg Queen who has provided him with human sensations, finally manages to kill the Borg before the ship blows up ("Star Trek: First Contact").
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<shakes up lighter fluid, applies liberally>
Yes folks, there is a bias in some parts of this community against not only sfc3, but those who play it. I see it and feel it every day i visit. I see it in the bashing of a game i enjoy my time on emmensly more than op - when its modded.
Instead of embracing diversity in ideas, I see those who seek to belittle those with differing opinions or tastes in "war games."
For me, sfc3 gets me closer to cannon that any of the older sfc games can - or ever will. based on weapons loads, power adjustment and shielding that is a fact. is it perfect. HA! h*ll no its not. especially give the fact there was never a patch out for it and the game got RMA'd due to a law suit.
I also see no credit (or little) to the mods of sfc3 and how much life there is.
in short, if it ain't sfb, its not welcome.
dont believe me? check the karma and how sfc3 people are treated.
do i hope things change? yes, but it will take some time. maybe never.
What do i plan to do about it? keep producing the generations at war mod when i can, but i am unsure of it long term. i dont feel like getting beat up everyday.. so why keep bothering to do it?
i do believe that board members of dga are doing the best they can to bridge the gap, but i wonder if it will ever happen - or if its possible.
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Chucky, hush. ;)
This isn't a thread about the dang quantum. It's about integrity and honesty.
This thread has been hijacked three times ... and was originally about the REAL 11thFleet.
The core issue remains the same.
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<shakes up lighter fluid, applies liberally>
Yes folks, there is a bias in some parts of this community against not only sfc3, but those who play it. I see it and feel it every day i visit. I see it in the bashing of a game i enjoy my time on emmensly more than op - when its modded.
Instead of embracing diversity in ideas, I see those who seek to belittle those with differing opinions or tastes in "war games."
For me, sfc3 gets me closer to cannon that any of the older sfc games can - or ever will. based on weapons loads, power adjustment and shielding that is a fact. is it perfect. HA! h*ll no its not. especially give the fact there was never a patch out for it and the game got RMA'd due to a law suit.
I also see no credit (or little) to the mods of sfc3 and how much life there is.
in short, if it ain't sfb, its not welcome.
dont believe me? check the karma and how sfc3 people are treated.
do i hope things change? yes, but it will take some time. maybe never.
What do i plan to do about it? keep producing the generations at war mod when i can, but i am unsure of it long term. i dont feel like getting beat up everyday.. so why keep bothering to do it?
i do believe that board members of dga are doing the best they can to bridge the gap, but i wonder if it will ever happen - or if its possible.
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Thank you, Nannerslug. No truer words were ever spoken.
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P.S. I see you are still avoiding my question regarding internal house keeping as it applies to the allegded Unity theft issue that one very prominet XC member and d.net admin has launched in other forums.
No, it's not his place to answer that question.
In regards to what my Fleet members do in on their own time, well, let me expound, but I'll try to keep it in novella form instead of Book, mmmkay?
;D
XenoCorp as a Fleet (and you are wrong again, WT, XenoCorp Inc. is a real life company, but has nothing to do with the gaming side of things. That's my hobby) doesn't maintain mind control over our members. We believe that freedom of expression are inherent rights that are important. We also believe that personal expression should be tolerated. If that's someone's opinion that you or someone else "stole" something, then they have that right to believe it.
I find it MUCH more positive to have someone include a pic in their signature than run around on multiple forum, and I'll borrow one of your catch phrases here - spewing more misinformation and controversy. I think it's commendable that these individuals, or individual as your now stating ::), decided to express said opinions in a time honored non-agressive manner than do what some individuals do, and I'll continue to support that. Perhaps you would like to have a group that consists of mindless automations, but in XenoCorp we enbrace individuality.
"Infinite diversity in infinite combinations".
Again, we're off on another topic, and you've tried to project the real focus back off yourself and onto someone else.
LOL
So, for the third time, can you give me a direct answer to the question I asked?
I've answered your statements and accusations directly - what about you?
WHY will you not answer these questions?
I'll let the community draw their own conclusions, because I believe they are entitled to doing that. I don't think I need to insult everyone by telling them "what they needed to hear since their so stupid they can't see it themselves."
Now does THAT quote sound familiar, WaterTiger? I doubt you'll even own up to it, but it should, because it's YOUR comment regarding the SFC3 community, and your percieved role in it.
:o
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All Hail Nannerslug!!!!!!!
He speaketh the Truth!!!
And the Truth will set you free.
Just think of the famous Apple Comercial 1984, We the people of the SFCIII Community are throwing the sledgehammer at the banter of the D2 Community and we are awakening you to the light.
http://www.uriah.com/apple-qt/1984.html
"Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives. We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology. Where each worker may bloom secure from the pests of contradictory and confusing truths. Our Unification of Thoughts is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on earth. We are one people, with one will, one resolve, one cause. Our enemies shall talk themselves to death and we will bury them with their own confusion. We shall prevail!"
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dont believe me? check the karma and how sfc3 people are treated.
i do believe that board members of dga are doing the best they can to bridge the gap, but i wonder if it will ever happen - or if its possible.
The people with bad karma deserve it. Look at mine ;D
Why bother bridging the gap? They are different games totally. Might as well try to bridge the gap between Pac Man and Pong. There isn't even enough technical similarities that any to make this worth the effort.
There is nothing wrong with liking one over the other, they both have different appeal. Most of the current OP crowd only react to insults by trash.
2 seperate sandboxes.
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UncleFrey (no disrespect intended .. but you remind me of my uncle Jack in Texas) ...
1.) You took a quote out of context, similar to how you accuse the liberal bias media of extorting truth.
2.) I'm having so much fun I forgot what the original question was ...
3.) Do the question in bullets ... so I can follow it, as speed reading classes ruined by comprehension levels.
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Thanks!
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Playing with prefitted ships firing missiles is hardly anything like Trek. ROFL. I have seen so many "wildweasels" used in the series and movies I dont know why they dont have them stock with the franchise. ROFL I cant wait for Picard to order the release of a scatterpack once again. ROFL. It truly makes sense why would you want to refit your ship custom to what you want? Mabey that would be exciteing. Frey keep spreading your banter I am sure they boys here will listen and praise you, since your leading the "HELP IS ON THE WAY" speach.
Ahhem .... when was the last time the captain to the USS Kitty Hawk was allowed to remove those blased AA guns and mount a few 16" turrets on the deck?
Ok, here, when was the last time Picard was allowed to head to dry dock and swap out those annoying Ph11s for a few better Pulse Phasers ah and ditch those crap Phots for Quantums? Yeah I remember that episode <sacasim> ;)
SFC3 is great but don't fool yourself, as an acurate representation of the ST warfare scene it's not. It's a fun game that gives you a lot of options, be happy. OP is a game that strives to be more a battle field simulation than SFC3 and it does it very well.
8)
Dude do you even watch Star Trek? ROFL aparantly not. I have seen the movie where it is talked about the enterprise getting the updated quantum torpedo, matter of fact I saw the defiant get them too. Funny how during the life of a Starship it gets REFITTED every so often. And why would you place pulse phasers on a starhip when they were designed for a escort ship? Apparantly you need to stay in the D2 where you estute inability for clear and rational thought will stay subdued.
Wildcard I'm gonna have to call you on this. Please explain to me where / when the Enterprise was getting updated quantum torpedoes? The first instance that quantum torpedoes was even mentioned was in 1st Contact, where the new Sovvy class was revealed after the destruction of NCC 1701 D. Do the timelines stuff and call me back when yer done.
Your argument about "pulse phasers" is also lacking. Interestingly enough photon torpedoes were the Federation staple for, I'm sorry - how long ? 35 years?
And exactly where are you drawing your information regarding the creation of pulse phasers for escort ships only? Please quote cannon references or make sure to state you've got no empirical evidence to support your claim. Line class ships in the TOS / TMP / TNG era were upgraded just as warships are today, and Castrin's point is obvious to the extreme. If you are trying to say that the fact that you can take your starship into spacedock and swap out WARP CORES is even remotely cannon, I'll let that statement speak for itself.
"Um Yea, StarFleet ? This is Captain WildCard. Look, I need to do some serious reconfiguration of my ship here, okay? I need to swap out some phasers, Oh yea, can I get a couple of those new Quantum torpedoe launchers? Oh yea, and I need the entire WARP CORE swapped out okay? While we're at it, let's just replace my Computer systems, Anti-Cload technology, and impulse engines themselves".
"What do you mean, 'Starfleet Core of Engineers'? I don't understand 'revisions' specs. And dangit I want this to be done in the next three hours or so. Oh yea, and BTW would you please tell Spock to stop screwing around over there on the Enterprise and let him know I've reassigned him to my ship?"
"MMMkay, thanks".
;D
Frey it is definately aparant that you know as much about Trek as you know about swabbing the bore of a 16 inch cannon on the deck of the Iowa. And that would be NOTHING. You are dilusional, You need your meds. I can call 911 for you since I work there. I can get you to a hotline that will cure your granduer.
1st Contact is where you see the Quantum being talked about being fitted on the E model. And in DS9 you see the Quantum being used on the Defiant and the Excelsior class ship that Worf had to fight when the Admirality had instated Martial Law. Wake up and pinch yourself Frey get some coffee. Shake off the cobwebs. The Defiant was the only ship EVER described as using the pulse phasers, Not to say you couldnt refit them. Know listen to your banter, What would you do if you had to eject your core? Spend the rest of your tour without one? Well ok mabey you would. But the Warp Cores were meant to be upgraded and changed every so many Warp Hours. Do you even read anything about Trek? Starships for the Vast majority were fitted with type X phaser arrays standard. I am sure they would update them if ever needed. Why not? As for an Aircraft carrier as spewed by Mr Knoweldge, This day and time you see them with a vast array of different weaponary, During the Reagan era we saw the entire US Navy get a complete overhaul and refit to modern technology. I am sure the Federation would do the same, Since you constantly read and hear about the service life of a starship being way over 20 years, Just look at what we have developed and the technology we have improved on over the past 10 years. And it all gets updated and refitted on a daily basis. You clearly speak with extreme misinformation and banter. You should actually have knowledge on a subject before you open you mouth and show how much you dont. A great man once said it is better to remain silent and let people think you a fool than to open your mouth and speak and remove all doubt. I never claimed that pulse phasers were for escort ships only, But we do learn that the Defiant was classed as an escort ship built to fight and defeat the Borg, We also know that the Pulse phaser was a weapon designed to fight and defeat the Borg. The Quantum was built for the Borg. Ablative Armor was for the Borg. Need I go on? A starship has a scheduled refit every so many years to trade out even the Bridge Module, You are really so misinformed and nieve to think they would change a bridge and not the outdated Warp Core you are dummer than I originally thought. My best advise for you is silence before you lose all credibility as a Trek Gamer, And they let you lead a Fleet? Or be an Admiral in one? Did you buy it to? Or is it proof that if your in so long eventually they will have to promote you?
You know WildCard, it could have been an interesting conversation regarding such as the tech, Fleet line refits and the like. I enjoy conversations such as this with people that display a knowledge of such - even if it is limited.
Unfortunately, you cannot have a conversation without resorting to personal insults. While that doesn't bother me because it makes you look that much more like a smacktard, it is unfortunate in regards to the community. So, while I'd love to educate you on the true cannon aspects of Trek lore and the like, I fear your incapable of taking that information in the manner in which it was intended.
And BTW, XC's been around for over 10 years. I've earned my title, as I've done much for the community and never asked for a single dime. And lo and behold, in that entire time, NO ONE's ever questioned my loyalty to the SFC community. That you say these things is as laughable as WaterTiger saying he's "genuinely concerned for the SFC3 Community".
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An example: outrage over any suggestion that their mod might have been misused while the same person posts elsewhere that Battlezone was taken from Unity, all because of a single typo by someone who just wasn't authoritative to begin with about the issue.
AdmFrey. You know exactly why I did that. How did it feel?
The BattleZone admin (Kane) wonders the boards and posts innuendo that Unity was stolen. Your own XC members wear a siggie showing this:
([url]http://www.battleclinic.com/users/kane/freighters/aunitystolen.jpg[/url])
The fact that BattleClinic even allows this rage to be posted and the fact that a high-ranking member of XC touts this trite manuer for a signature on sfc2.net is insidious.
YOUR people know the truth on Unity, as does Kane.
Nannerslug printed information that BattleZone used Unity as a base for it's mod -- which I thought about as ironic as the original allegation that WaterTiger stole Unity. Gimmie a break, Frey.
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P.S. Kortez, don't preach to me about "negativity" when the XC crowd and Xenocorp spew it 24/7
Why?.....................Why bring me into this?
I have done nothing wrong but just stated facts with all the evidence that I have collected from Freiza and Korah [personaly].
The only reason BattleZone was created was because of you WT.
You acted childish after your defeat on UNITY 1.
Then you Banned us from UNITY 2.5 after yet another lose.
We needed a place to play and to stay away from you WT.
It was you WaterTiger, all you.
BTW. I have it recorded. You admitting you starting with me. ::) ;D
ALSO.
You know that BattleZone was created off of TNZ and not Freiza's UNITY Mod. You posted it on STGD forums. BOZO. ;D
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The truth hurts the pic showing the fox whith unity in the bag is soo true.
Unity was riped off thats why the pic apered.
as far BattleZone goes thay never stoled unity
i am sole Creator of unity 1
i spent my long night makeing my mod.
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Ok guys, Im writing this while Im on holiday, on my supposed 'time off' from this game ;)
Im gone for 2 DAYS, and stuff like this happens
*sigh*
Ok, let me get this straight.
This started as a dispute over the ownership of a name, between the XIth Spartan Vanguard fleet, and the 11th Rangers fleet.
It then expanded into a historical diatribe, as to which fleet was the oldest, and then branched off into which fleet played which game.
Then someone mentioned laywers and copyrights, and everything went to hell.
THEN, someone thought that there was no difference between the 9th and the XIth Rangers fleet, and accused us of collusion (WaterTiger, I think).
After that, it expanded into a debate about which game was better, OP or SFC3.
Then, it went on to dispute the Unity ownership issue.
*deep intake of breath*
...THEN, it went on to bring up the divisions between the DOA and the former BOTAKnights.
...which then went on to people accusing Frey and Kortez of bias and collusion, because some people they know arent doing things the way they like.
In the immortal words of the great William "The Corset" Shatner,
"Get a life, people!! It's just a TV show!!"
I think this one thread has brought up more dirt, division, and suspicion than any thread or flame which has preceded it.
And while it's most entertaining to watch people get heated up to threaten court action, about being flamed in a game.
The core issue is this- there was a little [read- LITTLE] dispute about a name for a fleet. This issue is being resolved by the respective fleet leaders, and I presume it's happening in private.
It is not a reason (or an excuse, as some people have used it for) to start arguing.
Let LanceBishop of the Vanguard, and Sandman of the Rangers, sort this out amongst themselves. They're both big boys, and they can fight their own battles without Nanner, WaterTiger, people from the D2, ex-Knights, people from the STGD, and a thousand and one other small people each with their small opinions, to comment on it and risk inciting more disputes over COMPLETELY UNRELATED INCIDENTS.
Sandmand and Bishop are discussing it. That should be all that we the people need to know.
End of analysis.
Now PLEASE. Im on holiday at the moment, and I do NOT want to come back in a few days to find that the whole place has fallen into the sea, because of this one thread.
Stop it, the lot of you.
Thanks for your attention.
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Hey WT,
Didn't you steal the BOTA name?
Didn't you steal the ribbons that are used on the Knight web site?
Hypocrite
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Is Kane a registered trademark of World Wrestling Entertainment?
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Playing with prefitted ships firing missiles is hardly anything like Trek. ROFL. I have seen so many "wildweasels" used in the series and movies I dont know why they dont have them stock with the franchise. ROFL I cant wait for Picard to order the release of a scatterpack once again. ROFL. It truly makes sense why would you want to refit your ship custom to what you want? Mabey that would be exciteing. Frey keep spreading your banter I am sure they boys here will listen and praise you, since your leading the "HELP IS ON THE WAY" speach.
Ahhem .... when was the last time the captain to the USS Kitty Hawk was allowed to remove those blased AA guns and mount a few 16" turrets on the deck?
Ok, here, when was the last time Picard was allowed to head to dry dock and swap out those annoying Ph11s for a few better Pulse Phasers ah and ditch those crap Phots for Quantums? Yeah I remember that episode <sacasim> ;)
SFC3 is great but don't fool yourself, as an acurate representation of the ST warfare scene it's not. It's a fun game that gives you a lot of options, be happy. OP is a game that strives to be more a battle field simulation than SFC3 and it does it very well.
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Dude do you even watch Star Trek? ROFL aparantly not. I have seen the movie where it is talked about the enterprise getting the updated quantum torpedo, matter of fact I saw the defiant get them too. Funny how during the life of a Starship it gets REFITTED every so often. And why would you place pulse phasers on a starhip when they were designed for a escort ship? Apparantly you need to stay in the D2 where you estute inability for clear and rational thought will stay subdued.
Wildcard I'm gonna have to call you on this. Please explain to me where / when the Enterprise was getting updated quantum torpedoes? The first instance that quantum torpedoes was even mentioned was in 1st Contact, where the new Sovvy class was revealed after the destruction of NCC 1701 D. Do the timelines stuff and call me back when yer done.
Your argument about "pulse phasers" is also lacking. Interestingly enough photon torpedoes were the Federation staple for, I'm sorry - how long ? 35 years?
And exactly where are you drawing your information regarding the creation of pulse phasers for escort ships only? Please quote cannon references or make sure to state you've got no empirical evidence to support your claim. Line class ships in the TOS / TMP / TNG era were upgraded just as warships are today, and Castrin's point is obvious to the extreme. If you are trying to say that the fact that you can take your starship into spacedock and swap out WARP CORES is even remotely cannon, I'll let that statement speak for itself.
"Um Yea, StarFleet ? This is Captain WildCard. Look, I need to do some serious reconfiguration of my ship here, okay? I need to swap out some phasers, Oh yea, can I get a couple of those new Quantum torpedoe launchers? Oh yea, and I need the entire WARP CORE swapped out okay? While we're at it, let's just replace my Computer systems, Anti-Cload technology, and impulse engines themselves".
"What do you mean, 'Starfleet Core of Engineers'? I don't understand 'revisions' specs. And dangit I want this to be done in the next three hours or so. Oh yea, and BTW would you please tell Spock to stop screwing around over there on the Enterprise and let him know I've reassigned him to my ship?"
"MMMkay, thanks".
;D
Frey it is definately aparant that you know as much about Trek as you know about swabbing the bore of a 16 inch cannon on the deck of the Iowa. And that would be NOTHING. You are dilusional, You need your meds. I can call 911 for you since I work there. I can get you to a hotline that will cure your granduer.
1st Contact is where you see the Quantum being talked about being fitted on the E model. And in DS9 you see the Quantum being used on the Defiant and the Excelsior class ship that Worf had to fight when the Admirality had instated Martial Law. Wake up and pinch yourself Frey get some coffee. Shake off the cobwebs. The Defiant was the only ship EVER described as using the pulse phasers, Not to say you couldnt refit them. Know listen to your banter, What would you do if you had to eject your core? Spend the rest of your tour without one? Well ok mabey you would. But the Warp Cores were meant to be upgraded and changed every so many Warp Hours. Do you even read anything about Trek? Starships for the Vast majority were fitted with type X phaser arrays standard. I am sure they would update them if ever needed. Why not? As for an Aircraft carrier as spewed by Mr Knoweldge, This day and time you see them with a vast array of different weaponary, During the Reagan era we saw the entire US Navy get a complete overhaul and refit to modern technology. I am sure the Federation would do the same, Since you constantly read and hear about the service life of a starship being way over 20 years, Just look at what we have developed and the technology we have improved on over the past 10 years. And it all gets updated and refitted on a daily basis. You clearly speak with extreme misinformation and banter. You should actually have knowledge on a subject before you open you mouth and show how much you dont. A great man once said it is better to remain silent and let people think you a fool than to open your mouth and speak and remove all doubt. I never claimed that pulse phasers were for escort ships only, But we do learn that the Defiant was classed as an escort ship built to fight and defeat the Borg, We also know that the Pulse phaser was a weapon designed to fight and defeat the Borg. The Quantum was built for the Borg. Ablative Armor was for the Borg. Need I go on? A starship has a scheduled refit every so many years to trade out even the Bridge Module, You are really so misinformed and nieve to think they would change a bridge and not the outdated Warp Core you are dummer than I originally thought. My best advise for you is silence before you lose all credibility as a Trek Gamer, And they let you lead a Fleet? Or be an Admiral in one? Did you buy it to? Or is it proof that if your in so long eventually they will have to promote you?
You know WildCard, it could have been an interesting conversation regarding such as the tech, Fleet line refits and the like. I enjoy conversations such as this with people that display a knowledge of such - even if it is limited.
Unfortunately, you cannot have a conversation without resorting to personal insults. While that doesn't bother me because it makes you look that much more like a smacktard, it is unfortunate in regards to the community. So, while I'd love to educate you on the true cannon aspects of Trek lore and the like, I fear your incapable of taking that information in the manner in which it was intended.
And BTW, XC's been around for over 10 years. I've earned my title, as I've done much for the community and never asked for a single dime. And lo and behold, in that entire time, NO ONE's ever questioned my loyalty to the SFC community. That you say these things is as laughable as WaterTiger saying he's "genuinely concerned for the SFC3 Community".
ROFL Nice try at humor, Keep it up you will get it sooner or later. I never questioned your layalty to "the Community" Wow That is laughable in itself "the Community" is and allways has been your guys views of what it should be not what it is and could become, You find it a power trip where we find it as a game tp play. As far a cannon Frey I have forgotten more than you will ever know about cannon and Trek. I have over 300 + manuals and books on the subject authorized by Paramount. As for the personal insults I am sorry if sometimes the truth hurts. Korah sure did question your llayalty or have you forgotten?
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and the kitbashes [ no offense ]
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Look at the pretty circles ;D ::)
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ROFLMAO, How do you steal a Mod? I mean I can understand a Fleet but not a Mod, I was accused in the theft of a fleet once because the leaders left and wanted the rest to come with them and they didnt. ROFL But how do you steal a Mod?
Stick em up Pelican! Give me Dom Wars or I will default Core you. ROLFMAO
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I think It's time this thread be locked.
Stephen
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People have been saying that since page 3 that this thread needed to be locked, I think it was. Think stating it once again makes any difference?
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The truth hurts the pic showing the fox whith unity in the bag is soo true.
Unity was riped off thats why the pic apered.
as far BattleZone goes thay never stoled unity
i am sole Creator of unity 1
i spent my long night makeing my mod.
Frieza, What was the reason that you had to take an absence? Was it that you were in Jail? What did you steal?
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Dude do you even watch Star Trek? ROFL aparantly not. I have seen the movie where it is talked about the enterprise getting the updated quantum torpedo, matter of fact I saw the defiant get them too. Funny how during the life of a Starship it gets REFITTED every so often. And why would you place pulse phasers on a starhip when they were designed for a escort ship? Apparantly you need to stay in the D2 where you estute inability for clear and rational thought will stay subdued.
Wildcard I'm gonna have to call you on this. Please explain to me where / when the Enterprise was getting updated quantum torpedoes? The first instance that quantum torpedoes was even mentioned was in 1st Contact, where the new Sovvy class was revealed after the destruction of NCC 1701 D. Do the timelines stuff and call me back when yer done.
Your argument about "pulse phasers" is also lacking. Interestingly enough photon torpedoes were the Federation staple for, I'm sorry - how long ? 35 years?
1st Contact is where you see the Quantum being talked about being fitted on the E model. And in DS9 you see the Quantum being used on the Defiant and the Excelsior class ship that Worf had to fight when the Admirality had instated Martial Law. ... The Defiant was the only ship EVER described as using the pulse phasers, Not to say you couldnt refit them. ... But the Warp Cores were meant to be upgraded and changed every so many Warp Hours. Do you even read anything about Trek? Starships for the Vast majority were fitted with type X phaser arrays standard. I am sure they would update them if ever needed. Why not?
As for an Aircraft carrier ..., this day and time you see them with a vast array of different weaponary, During the Reagan era we saw the entire US Navy get a complete overhaul and refit to modern technology. I am sure the Federation would do the same. Since you constantly read and hear about the service life of a starship being way over 20 years. Just look at what we have developed and the technology we have improved on over the past 10 years. And it all gets updated and refitted on a daily basis. ... I never claimed that pulse phasers were for escort ships only, But we do learn that the Defiant was classed as an escort ship built to fight and defeat the Borg, We also know that the Pulse phaser was a weapon designed to fight and defeat the Borg. The Quantum was built for the Borg. Ablative Armor was for the Borg. Need I go on? A starship has a scheduled refit every so many years to trade out even the Bridge Module. ...
Your post looks so much better without the bashing ... oh and thanks for the new "title" ;D
Firstly about my examples, the aircraft carrier was a left field one meant to be partly funny partly extreme. I seriously doubt that the upgrades you speak of included deck mounted 16" turrets but I do know that they upgrade all the time. These upgrades however are on exsisting weaponry / system and it's rare save when a ship is ready for extended dry dock time that major refits are done. Such would be the case in a reactor replacement, the equivalent of a warp core replacement in ST. As for the Enterprise getting Quantums, yes I had forgot that but in ST there is never a mention of needing a refit to carry them, only that they got them. Of course one can just say that new tubes were needed and that works fine. But even you have to admit the Enterprise never carried Pluse Phasers yet in SFC3 they do quite often.
In OP upgrades or refits are delt with as new ship versions. A CL+ replaces a CL, a CAI replaces a CA, and so forth. In SFC3 it's dealt with by allowing people to pick and choose. My point (that seemed to be missed) was that OP is a more military feel when it comes to major refits because it is reflected as a new CLASS of ship and not just a randon configuration. However SFC3 is more fun (in a way) because it lets you do what you want to the ship you have with only the limitation of hull cap and your imagination.
Both are great games they just do things different so I just can't see why people have to resort to bashing one over the other.
Ah well, peace.
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The truth hurts the pic showing the fox whith unity in the bag is soo true.
Unity was riped off thats why the pic apered.
as far BattleZone goes thay never stoled unity
i am sole Creator of unity 1
i spent my long night makeing my mod.
Congrats Freiza!!
We never took it from you, silly man.
I had a conversation with GFL regarding the default core you stole from them. Interesting, eh?
Yes, we -- the Knights -- took 500 megs of garbage you handed us and whittled it down to a size that was downloadable, then Cozbo worked for four days to fix a default core that was cut/copied and pasted from GFL and the work of GFLOffKey. Would you like that conversation?
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Offkey says:
hey what ya need
AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet- says:
Frieza came back after 7 months
AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet- says:
and went all nutty
AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet- says:
just FYI
Offkey says:
what ya mean
AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet- says:
he says he PWNED Unity
AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet- says:
rofl
AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet- says:
OWNED*
Offkey says:
uh no he didnt
AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet- says:
we changed that mod 14 different patches
AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet- says:
added 100 ships
AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet- says:
he made a big stink
Offkey says:
unity after i inspected it was created from the gfl first mod which i thought was coo'
Offkey says:
cool
AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet- says:
rofl..it is TNZ 3.0
AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet- says:
was based off TNZ
AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet- says:
I did the core with Cozbo
Offkey says:
right i am talking about the common settings which is the core
AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet- says:
Frieza probbaly used the GFL one's
AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet- says:
they are all changed now
Offkey says:
yes he did
AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet- says:
well, isn't that nice..
AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet- says:
geez
AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet- says:
he reallyyy pissed me off
Offkey says:
ya us too
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See, we credited you and GFL for the ships and the work. I personally got permission for the use of the ships ...
Here is the Unity 1.0 "readme"
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"Unity" mod READ ME FILE
Unity was done in an effort to bring the SFCIII community together as we await the official patch from Activision 13 months after the Star Fleet Command III was released. We chose this name because the Brotherhood of Trans-Atlantic Knights urged -- and in some cases harassed -- the Taldren community through their forums to finish work on the SFCIII patch in 2003.
We hope work is completed in early 2004 on the "official" patch and that Activision and Viacom settle their differences for the sake of the players in the "community." We hope that the Trek gaming genre can move forward in 2004 past the differences and not look back in anger to the events of 2003.
The mod "Unity" -- we hope -- will be updated with a "testers" version with permission of Taldren in the upcoming months. The BOTAKnights are a committed group of players from five continents and eight countries who dearly love this game.
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Author: LordWaterTiger, founder and council member of the Brotherhood of Trans-Atlantic Knights (BOTAKnights) http://www.botaknights.com or http://www.botaknights.org or http://www.botaknights.net
Contact: Writinit@aol.com or Writinit@msn.com
AIM: Writinit
Designed for: Starfleet Command III version 1.01 Build 500 (i.e the latest Beta Patch)
Lead modder: KnightFrieza with the base of TNZ 3.0 and ship additions from a variety of sources. KnightCozbo worked for two days, line by line, to edit the defaultcore.txt and the defaultloadout.txt files.
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**WARNING**
This mod will overwrite a number of models on the game, including some of the default models. Before you install the mod, look in the Assets/Models folder and look through the models that will be replaced, then make backup copies of them, just in case.
Note:-Do not go by folder names, many of the folders contain nothing more than a .gf file update (Hard points).
ONLINE CAMPAIGN
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The "Unity" campaign rules can be found on BattleClinic at http://www.battleclinic.com. You must read the rules at BattleClinic to play on the Dyna, which is brought to us by VSFTie. We offer a special thanks to the Vulcan Strike Fleet, Imperial Romulan Navy pilot Sparks, F9th Ryker, RFA-Gravity and Azrael. And without Cueball at BattleClinic and Chris at BattleClinic -- SghnDubh@BattleClinic.com. Without BattleClinic, and its players, none of this was possible.
Requirements
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The beta 1.01 2 patch.
DX9b from http:www.Microsoft.com
"Unity" download
This mod is NOT compatible with the non-patched version of SFCIII.
INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS
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Simple, double click the self-install program.
Then double click "Unity" mod .exe
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KnightCozbo and KnightFrieza did two days of work on the defaultcore.txt and defaultcoreloadout.txt files to re-balance ships, change many arcs in all classes, change cargo space and profiles to rebalance KoraH's TNZ 3.0 and TNZ 4.0.
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--Scripts come from a variety of sources, including KoraH (Scott Brown) and The Pelican and many who helped them at Taldren and the Taldren BETA testing team. Of course, without the work of the dozens of people at Taldren -- and the patience of the woman we call "Taldren Ann" (Taldren_admin) none of us would be here to download this mod today. Our hats are off to Taldren -- and all their employees -- for all their hard work and commitment to the SFC series. And without Dave Ferrell, even after his retirement from Taldren in late 2003, we wouldn't be playing this game at all. Ferrell continues his work at home after moving from California.
--End of update--
This took months to compile by KoraH -- and those who helped him -- and KnightFrieza (the BOTAKnights lead modder) who has been collecting many of these ships for since 2002 from a variety of sources, including http://www.unimatrix-one.co.uk, http://www.shipyards.com, http://sfcmodsrus.tripod.com/, http://sfc-mods-r-us.net/, and other public download sites. There are over 250 ship models in Unity, playable races include Federation, Romulan, Klingon & Borg. Some sites where ships were gathered are offline. If we have missed a credit here or author, please let us know and we will edit the "readme.txt" file. Modder Nannerslug of the F9th fleet who is making the "Generations at War" mod also helped KoraH with some ships. We wish him the best of luck with his mod and look forward to its release this year.
A special thanks goes to IRNBolt (Imperial Romulan Navy) for the addition of the special Romulan ship known as the "Predator."
We give special thanks to Captain KoraH, as this mod could NOT have been completed without all his hard work and changes he made while his mod ran on the D-3 Dynaverse and changes suggested by his many fans on BattleClinic (http://www.battleclinic.com) in 2003. KoraH was a man with a vision for this game and this community, and we miss his input greatly. Also Special thanks to the The Pelican and the work he did in Dominion Wars -- and his advice with sound files and textures files -- and anticipated future assistance. Also appreciation to Chris Jones for his work on the TNG Mega Mod. We look to all modders of EAW/OP and SFCIII for ideas and ship variations. There are already a massive number of ships in this mod, but if I can find any more, we will add them. Already we took out many ships to size down the mod, so expect more with Unity 1.0. We would also like the thank the Galactic Foreign Legion (GFL) for helping to paint more than a dozen models they provided, including new fighters. Other "readme" files are in the ship files themselves; look there for credits.
Slow Loading
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I'm told that with mods of this size, the game loads very slowly on low spec machines. Especially if the DefaultLoadOut file is very large. The one I use is slightly larger than the one used by the TNZ mod, if you can use his mod, then you should have no problems with this mod. If it fails to load, try again a couple of times. If you cannot get it to load, then I am sorry, but this mod is just too much for your machine.
Single Player Campaigns
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As far as I know, this mod should be 100% compatible with the single player campaigns.
Sound
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The TNZ sound pack is recommended, and also improves game play. It installs a number of new weapons visual and sound effects.
CREDITS
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Thanks to everyone who has made a model included in this mod. Please check the model folders, you should find readme files for every mod that I have one for, they will contain full credits. Below is an edited ship list from The Pelican, and we expect some credit can be found there.
Akira - P81 (pneumonic81@apocent.com)
Ambassador - P81
Anomie - Interstellar Machine (interstellarmachine@hotmail.com)
Aquino - Gabriel Brown (thewolf67@yahoo.com) & Captain KoraH (scott2978@yahoo.com)
Bird of Death - Cleeve (soulwolf@escape.ca) & Captain KoraH
Constellation - Moonraker
Romulan Nova - ???
Valdore - Dawn (dawn29thct@lycos.de) Port by Pataflafla (wbrandons@yahoo.com)
Bird of Prey - Dream Arts Production (http://www.dreamartspro.com)
Breen Destroyer - Redragon (luan_ngo@hotmail.com) & Captain KoraH
Borg Assimilator - Wicked Zombie (wickedzombie45@aol.com)
Borg Probe - Wicked Zombie (wickedzombie45@aol.com)
Breen Warship - Thomas Bronzwaer (matrix_thomas@hotmail.com) & Noah Wallace (nwallaceiii@neo.rr.com)
Bright One - Unknown Modeller, conversion by Captain KoraH
Centaur - Unknown
Cardassian Freighter - Zorg (zorg0001@hotmail.com)
D4 - Unknown
D7 - Dream Arts Production
D10 - Atrahasis
D16 - Unknown
D17 - Unknown, conversion by Captain KoraH
Danube - Redragon
DefiantBorg - Unknown
DomBB - Maggot - (RandallStong@prodigy.net)
Dom HC - Maggot
Dom HCP - Maggot
DS9 - Darkdrone
D'Tai - Dream Arts Production
Enterprise - P81, conversion by Captain KoraH
Excelsior - P81 or Dream Arts? Not 100% sure here.
Eximius - Cleeve
Galor - Zorg
Galaxy - Darkdrone
Cardassian Starbase - ThomastheCat & Captain KoraH
Griffin - Dream Arts Production
Hecate - Lord Bile (Lord_Bile@hotmail.com), conversion by DarkDrone
Hegh'DaS - Unknown, conversion by Captain KoraH
Hideki - Zorg
Hutet - Zorg
Intrepid - Wicked Zombie
Jem'Hadar Battlecruiser - Darkdrone (laconfidentia8@hotmail.com)
JemHadar Bugship - Nine of Nine (nineof9@freemail.it)
JemHadar Light Cruiser - Worgaus
K-23 - Captain Korah
Keldon - Zorg
Kron - Cleeve
K'Vek - Cleeve
K'Vort - P81
L-24 - Speaker for the Dead
L9 - Cleeve (soulwolf@escape.ca)
Lakat - Zorg
Maquis Raider - Zorg
Miranda - ???
Nebula - Dream Arts Production
Net'hak - Gabriel Brown & Captain KoraH
New Orleans - Unknown
Norway - Dream Arts?
Nova - P81 (pneumonic81@hotmail.com)
Oberth - Unknown, conversion by Captain KoraH
Odysseus - Moonraker & P81
Prometheus - Lord Bile (DarkRealmStudios@cox.net)
Killer Hawk - Taldren, Astrahasis (http://www.apocentertainment.com)
Fire Hawk - Unknown
Romulan Hawk - thu11s
Sabre - Lord Bile
Scorpion - Lord Bile
Stealth Cruiser - Moonraker (Moonraker9@hotmail.com)
Steamrunner - P81
Sovereign - Lord Bile
Talon - Cleeve
Tholian Frigate/Destroyer - SkiNMan (IEMSCIFI@AOL.COM) & Captain KoraH
V'Kar - Unknown
Whitewind - Unknown, conversion by Captain KoraH
Winged Defender - Unknown, conversion by Captain KoraH
Achilles - Viper,Major A Payne/DARKDRONE
Doomsday, DustDevil, Blood Raven, Hornet, Green Death, Black Hawk, Dark Water, X-Dark - ALL SKINMAN
Mauler, Drone Carrier & Assault Cruiser - Wicked Zombie
Romulan BoP, Strike, EagleHawk, Vulture - DarkMatrix
Excalibur - Steven Davis (stesplace@hotmail.com)
Improved Atmosphere Mod - Ari Kaihlanen (arikaih@sunpoint.net)
Special Thanks to
Captain KoraH - scott2978@yahoo.com
For allowing me to use so many ships from his TNZ mod, and for creating the awesome TNZ mod.
Chris Jones - chrisjones@frost-works.com or sfctng@adelphia.net
For allowing other modders to use various ships from his mod, and for creating the original Dominion Wars mod.
Note:- There are quite a large number of models which have no readme files, and hence we don't know who made the model. If you know who made any of the models on this list, PLEASE contact me so we can update.
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Please report any errors to the e-mail address at the top immediately.
Copyright and Distribution Permissions
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THIS MOD IS NOT MADE, DISTRIBUTED, OR SUPPORTED BY ACTIVISION TM & (C) ACTIVISION & TALDREN & PARAMOUNT PICTURES.
Copyright notices:
Star Trek, Star Fleet Command, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Voyager
(and the various logo devices used in them) are copyright Paramount Pictures, as are the
characters, related images, and sound from the productions.
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Ryker -- who was an original member of the Unity Commitee told you what name we agreed on -- and yes, Frieza, you might have been dillusional, but you were there in those discussions. Then you left, brother -- for 7 months. We kept adding ships. Then you left the Knights. Heck, you didn't even know there was a V534 when you came back. You were more worried that the ship you said was yours -- Nightingale -- had 3 heavy ports instead of the uber cheese you created.
Unity is modded by Cozbo, and has been since it left BattleClinic. We never took anything from you, Frieza, you abandoned it.
We still list you as the creator of Unity 1.0. Paramount's Harry Lang has already explained your rendition of Trek OWNERSHIP. You don't own jack squat, Frieza. You walked away from a good mod and a good modding team. And whiole you were gone, we cared for Unity, babied it -- added more than 100 ships and took it to new heights of TRUE balance -- not uber cheese.
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Unity was done in an effort to bring the SFCIII community together as we awaited the "official" patch from Activision more than one year after the Star Fleet Command III was released. We chose this name recommended by F9thRyker because the Brotherhood of Trans-Atlantic Knights urged -- and in some cases badgered -- the Taldren/Activision community to finish work on the SFCIII patch in 2003.
One week before we wrapped up UnityV2.5, Taldren convinced Activision to release the "testers" build used by ThePelican (DominionWars), Nannerslug (Generation at War), BattleZone (BattleClinic) and IslandWars. It went public and we shifted gears.
We thank Taldren employees for the patch and the work testers did to get the new 531BETA ready for the public in late April of 2004. Thank you Ann, Ken, Pestilence, Fluf, IslandBound, ThePelican, Nannerslug, el-Karnak, Castrin, TalonClaw, the Yahoo admins group and the BETA testing team at Taldren for not giving up and helping SFC3 be a better game.
Most importantly, we thank Dave Ferrell -- the God of Star Trek gaming -- for continuing his work on the game code even after retirement and moving from California and leaving Taldren. <S>
We hope that the Trek gaming genre can move forward in 2004 past the differences and not look back in anger to the events of 2003.
The BOTAKnights are a committed group of 30 gamers from five continents and eight countries who dearly love Trek gaming.
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Did you know I had to get more than a dozen credits for ship you claim to OWN Freiza AFTER you left?
Please, don't start with your high school jibberish. NightSoft was ready to hammer the mod for the ships you STOLE and claimed as your own. I am still salvalging the raped ape you call Unity.
It has been tested by thousands of players, was the top download with YOUR name on it at SFC3files.com for two months and remains the second-most downloaded mod of the SFC3 series; second only to Nanner's GAW on gameSpot, SFC3files and STGD.
We did that with your help, Frieza, and have never denied it.
Would you like to see the server .mct files for the credits I gave you whole you were "away."
Kane, stay out of this, and stop trying to twist what you also know to be the truth here.
Funny how our Lyran -- Frieza's find -- ended up on the battleClinic shipyard within days of them being hosted by STGD, eh?
Don't even get me started on names, Kane. remember that screenshot you have of me caling you those names in battle where you warped out and ran? I meant every one of them. You are one. A big one.
Back to Frieza, here is your Unity Website we created for you while you were gone, sir. name is at the top.
http://www.stcd.sgnonline.com/unity/team.htm
pardon the pictures being out of date, we are adding 70+ more Pirate ships and removing the uber Borg race which was never properly balanced by Taldren. Pelican did the same.
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Hang on, here is the .mct file for the server credits while you were away on those EIGHT campaigns we ran since Unity 1.0.
Name="* * *IOGC.net**UNITY* * *"
Description=The Brotherhood Of Trans-Atlantic Knights, the Star Trek Gamers Directory (STGD) and the IOGC bring you UNITY -- "The Third Age." This is the third in a series of eight, 12-day maps and began March 17. The campaign is played on Victory Points. Information on this unique 96-day campaign can be found at www.stcd.sgnonline.com/forum/. Ships from Captain KoraHs (TNZ) were added and rebalanced by KnightCozbo and KnightRivaris. The lead modder, KnightFrieza, added dozens more ships and as we introduce the new Lyran, Gorn, Pirate, Rakellian and Cardassian fleets. The Vulcans are added to the Federation, Breen to the Romulans and Lyran and Gorn to the Klingons. The Borg have a new fleet of assimilated ships. Thanks to KoraH (Scott Brown) for TNZ and ThePelican and el-karnak for mission scripts. READ THE RULES AND REGISTER AT www.stcd.sgnonline.com/unity/. Thanks to the International Online Gamers Club for the server www.iogc.net."
EarlyMapName="1on1.mvm"
MidMapName="1on1.mvm"
LateMapName="1on1.mvm"
DifficultyLevel=2
Era=0
TriggerMission=""
TriggerPrestige=0
ServerPassword="excaliber"
[Missions]
1="Meta_SeekDestroy.scr"
2="Meta_Ambush.scr"
3="Meta_Ambushed.scr"
4="Meta_FleetAction_bk.scr"
5="Meta_BaseDefence.scr"
6="Meta_SpyGames.scr"
7="Meta_SquadronAction_bk.scr"
8="Meta_DistressCall.scr"
9="Meta_Emergency.scr"
10="Meta_PlanetDefence.scr"
11="Meta_Reality.scr"
13="Meta_SupriseR.scr"
14="Meta_TNZ.scr"
15="Meta_Valiant.scr"
16="Meta_WarGames.scr"
[Races]
0=0
1=1
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That was the fifth campaign while we (Knights) waited and all wondered, hmmmmmm, where is Frieza.
Oh, and see those credits for GFL in Unity? I had to add that for you.
Now beat it.
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AdmWaterTiger-11Fleet-
P.S. Don't even get me started on saving your rear from a $250,000 lawsuit from Taldren for stealing the "testers" build (V528) and attempting to convince us to use it. Lucky for you, I called Ann at Taldren.
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The truth hurts the pic showing the fox whith unity in the bag is soo true.
Unity was riped off thats why the pic apered.
as far BattleZone goes thay never stoled unity
i am sole Creator of unity 1
i spent my long night makeing my mod.
Frieza, What was the reason that you had to take an absence? Was it that you were in Jail? What did you steal?
I have witnessed and let slide your personal attacks in this topic, so far, but now you cross the line, Wildcard.
Cease.
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They rally around you, Frieza, a man who actually tried to market the V528 build and had obtained it illegally.
Amazing. I got more coming.
Ann has a briefcase full of your trash, Frieza. You should thank me. Guess who saved your butt when you illegally obtained the V528 testers build and passed it to us ALREADY WRAPPED in a mod? Yours truly.
Don't push it, Freiza. I have an F drive full of EVERYTHING.
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AdmWaterTiger
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Hey Kortez, how bout you get off your duff and play both sides of the fence and call them for the same type of BS? Oh, wait, that's right, you're taking a side because we're not your friends... Talk about fairness. Aren't you suppose to be impartial? WTF?
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oo more thaing
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frieza made the 500 build unity mod
but he never got permission from korathto use Tnz We did so when you take out all that stuff Frieza will own unity wich will basicly be 20 own mad ships and stock game ships.
let frieza have his fun when he uses the current unity wich is 3.0 he will be stealing my work and cozbo's work and i'm not giving him permissiopn to ues it.
this post was posted by Rivaris at stcd wb page
witch my aconts have been baded on stcd.
Your right i did Creat unity1 500 build
as fair as not haveing permission!!! thats a lie I did have permission!!! from korath to use Tnz.
It was Knight's and now know as the 11th that did have permission to use my unity 1 500 build
and i never gave it out too any one soo why doo keep trying push my buttens WT and as fair as your new mod team go go thay all ready hacked on my mod to make new unity2 and unity 3
8 patchs for my mod witch thay stoled from me.
THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
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You know I said I wouldn't comment again but I can't resist the arguments about Cannon ;D.
If I'm not mistaken, Rockets(Drones) are Cannon, they were specifically mentioned in an episode that also said that they had destroyed a Klingon warship. Admitedly they caught it with its shields down about to beam marines aboard but the rockets are also said to have been rather old and primitive. Actually the way its told I can almost see it as being a SP attack, releasing a great number of rockets all at once.
The episode is one of the first TNG episodes to heavily feature klingons, forget what its called but its the one with those three klingons who want to go back to the old warring animosity and are pursued by the empire.
As far as the refit issue is concerned or at least the time involved, it would be more accurate if you left you ship in drydock for an hour or two in the game so as to accuratly reflect the amount of time it would take but thats not any fun. While it is interesting, I'd have preferred the refit method from SFC1, where you could refit your older ships with various fleet approved refits if you so choosed. Seems more realistic which is an important facet with me but each to their own, we all have our favorites.
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People have been saying that since page 3 that this thread needed to be locked, I think it was. Think stating it once again makes any difference?
Yep, It makes my concsience clear to have said It.
Stephen
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Sounds like you're living in an alternate reality based in your own fantasy land Frieza.
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People have been saying that since page 3 that this thread needed to be locked, I think it was. Think stating it once again makes any difference?
Yep, It makes my concsience clear to have said It.
Stephen
I said it, too, SirGod. LOCK IT. But d.net wants a community bloodbath.
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AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet
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The truth hurts the pic showing the fox whith unity in the bag is soo true.
Unity was riped off thats why the pic apered.
as far BattleZone goes thay never stoled unity
i am sole Creator of unity 1
i spent my long night makeing my mod.
Frieza, What was the reason that you had to take an absence? Was it that you were in Jail? What did you steal?
I have witnessed and let slide your personal attacks in this topic, so far, but now you cross the line, Wildcard.
Cease.
I want to thank my esteemed collegue Kortez for his one sidded concern, I am simply calling a spade a spade. Seems Unity was not stole. Seems the personal attack on Watertiger and the accusation of him being a thief is ok? Who is the real thief here? Seems someone stole the 528 Build, OOPSIE. How have I crossed the line? Have I stated an untruth here? Do you have the rest of the story and would you share it with us?
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You know I said I wouldn't comment again but I can't resist the arguments about Cannon ;D.
If I'm not mistaken, Rockets(Drones) are Cannon, they were specifically mentioned in an episode that also said that they had destroyed a Klingon warship. Admitedly they caught it with its shields down about to beam marines aboard but the rockets are also said to have been rather old and primitive. Actually the way its told I can almost see it as being a SP attack, releasing a great number of rockets all at once.
The episode is one of the first TNG episodes to heavily feature klingons, forget what its called but its the one with those three klingons who want to go back to the old warring animosity and are pursued by the empire.
As far as the refit issue is concerned or at least the time involved, it would be more accurate if you left you ship in drydock for an hour or two in the game so as to accuratly reflect the amount of time it would take but thats not any fun. While it is interesting, I'd have preferred the refit method from SFC1, where you could refit your older ships with various fleet approved refits if you so choosed. Seems more realistic which is an important facet with me but each to their own, we all have our favorites.
While I'd love to use that example for a canon argument I can't.
Drones (missiles) are purely a fabrication of SFB and they were only created because there was not nearly enough canon info on Klingons and other races when the game was created. So the designers used exsisting tech, scifi'ed it up and built them into the game.
The only race that, to my knowledge, used "low tech" weapons in TOS were the Romulans ... and thus the nuclear mine was born in SFB.
8)
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Ann has a briefcase full of your trash, Frieza.
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AdmWaterTiger
And she had to create a landfill for all your trash, WT. ::)
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oo more thaing
quote
frieza made the 500 build unity mod
but he never got permission from korathto use Tnz We did so when you take out all that stuff Frieza will own unity wich will basicly be 20 own mad ships and stock game ships.
let frieza have his fun when he uses the current unity wich is 3.0 he will be stealing my work and cozbo's work and i'm not giving him permissiopn to ues it.
this post was posted by Rivaris at stcd wb page
witch my aconts have been baded on stcd.
Your right i did Creat unity1 500 build
as fair as not haveing permission!!! thats a lie I did have permission!!! from korath to use Tnz.
It was Knight's and now know as the 11th that did have permission to use my unity 1 500 build
and i never gave it out too any one soo why doo keep trying push my buttens WT and as fair as your new mod team go go thay all ready hacked on my mod to make new unity2 and unity 3
8 patchs for my mod witch thay stoled from me.
THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
Frieza, post it. I have my copy of permission for TNZ, do you? Answer: No.
GO TALK TO PEOPLE WHO TELL YOU WHO OWN .TXT FILES FRIEZA. WE BASED THE UNITY MOD FROM TNZ. YOU FLEW IT FOR TWO HOURS, THEN LEFT. WE GUTTED YOUR UBER TRASH AND MADE IT PLAYABLE. THOSE SHIPS AREN'T OWNED BY YOU BUT ALL THE PEOPLE YOU NEVER CREDITED.
LET THEM RALLY AROUND THE MAN WHO STOLE -- YES STOLE -- THE V528 BUILD FROM THE TALDREN BETA TESTERS GROUP.
Now, you make a mod using Unity ships, it's on your head -- we don't care. Unity was never YOURS. Even Kane knows that ...
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AdmWaterTiger-11thFleet-
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Ok ... guess I'm going to have to lock this thread.
Anyone that wants to continue a discussion on the pros of a strong and united community feel free to start a new one. Same goes for a discusion on refits in SFC3 v OP.
Thread closed!