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Title: Well...
Post by: EE on August 12, 2004, 06:35:28 am
The chick I want to get to know a little better is going to a rave with me on Sept 4th. I bought her a ticket for her B-Day. She was happy because she wanted to go but did not know if she would have the cash or not, now she can and has no choice :D.

Good times.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on August 12, 2004, 08:13:52 am
You know you wanna hit that,
You know you wanna hit that, hit that
-The Offspring
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Iceman on August 12, 2004, 08:43:58 am
You've been finding more and more uses for that song Clark.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on August 12, 2004, 09:00:49 am
Tippity-tap, tippity-tap, tippity-tap TAP!!!
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on August 12, 2004, 01:17:45 pm
You've been finding more and more uses for that song Clark.
Technically I've been using it for the same use each time.  It's sage advice though, you gott admit.   ;D
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Iceman on August 12, 2004, 02:04:00 pm
Touche, a very good point.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 13, 2004, 02:36:50 pm
just got a text message ( which kinda sucks, only had 4-5 hours of sleep all nightnow ). Wants me to come over tomorrow. hermm
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on August 13, 2004, 04:20:04 pm
Tippity-tap, tippity-tap, tippity-tap TAP!!!

(If CK can reuse, so can I dammit!)

I'm off to work now, with that hot little chickie I've been talking about.  She'll be coming home with me tonight, w00t!!
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 13, 2004, 04:34:50 pm
yeah I am about to leave for work as well. Going to be getting 12-14 hours today, wont get off until 8 or 9am and then I am supposed to head to her house around noon. I wont be worth a damn for anything other then sleep. I think I have had maybe 15 hours of sleep all week. I cant shut my mind off. Between the excitment of turbo for my car soon, the rave on the 4th, her  and the unexcitment of too much work and not beiung able to get stock numbers and locations out of my head, I cant sleep. I really need some sleeping pills.

I was skipping around work lastnight. Sleep Dep is taking over.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Iceman on August 13, 2004, 05:06:24 pm
But at least you're working, as oppse to you know, not working. Keep it up man, things always get better!
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on August 13, 2004, 05:26:14 pm
Alls I can say is...
Think back to that commercial you posted in another topic a few days ago....
and don't forget to deliver a large sausage.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on August 13, 2004, 06:17:18 pm
Dude, you really need to sleep. Sleep depro is the worst, totally screws up your head, you kind of go zombified. Seriously, you could easily step out into the road without thinking and get squished or something.

Uurghh, I haven't had much time to sleep this week and Doom 3 came out today so I rushed home and have been playing it for about five hours. After a weeks worth of stress, (I worked last Saturday too so I've 11 of the last 12 days), and not much sleep, the lights turned out, headphones on, and chainsaw weilding zombies coming at me with all these hellish mumblings and demonic symbols appearing everywhere it is safe to say I feel ill!  :P
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 14, 2004, 07:44:43 am
I am so used to working with sleep dep. Everytime I go to sleep I see one of many things in my head, Turbo for my car, Work, her and work. Its annoying. If I do get to sleep, something happens that wakes me up. Thats if I can shut my mind off long enough to even fall to sleep within 2 or 3 hours of laying down. I am all levels of tired too. I walk at least 14 miles a day at work. I load about 10 tons worth of product onto carts and pallets to take to trucks and then unload the same 10 tons a night into the trucks ( just my trucks, not counting other peoples trucks ). I should be able to sleep but I cant keep my mind tuned out.

Well, its 5:45am.. time to do some laundery, shave, shower and then try to get a couple hours of sleep before I go work on her car... and maybe check under her hood :D ( sorry I could not resist the chance to say it. No work will be done under the hood, no matter how tempting it would be )
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on August 14, 2004, 09:55:54 am
Insomnia isn't good.  I've been there way too many times.
If your medical will cover it, see a psychiatrist.  You coul see a GP for this, but GPs know next to nothing in this area, so you'd be getting mediocre service.  You may have an anxiety disorder, or something else of course.  At the very least they can prescribe you a good sleep med that won't screw with your head or become addictive.
Therapy might help as well and teach you how to better block racing thoughts.
As far as her hood, if the offer is there, go for it.  After all, her hood may require some expert attention.   ;)
It would be ungentlemanly to do any less.   ;D
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Capt. Mike on August 14, 2004, 10:04:51 am
EE, I know how those 12-14 hour days go..the last few years in the USAF I was basically the shop chief/NCOIC..on call 24/7 unless I went on leave out of the local area...I'd get calls at 2 AM for drunken airmen, wife abuse, etc....

When you get the time (and I know how important extra-curricular activities are), rest...believe it or not, I lost almost 50 pounds after I got out from the lack of stess..205 to 160..I feel better, and I actually enjoy excersizing again...

As to the hood, make sure the headlights work  :D

Mike
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on August 14, 2004, 12:15:43 pm
I'm not working as much as you are EE, nor losing as much sleep, but I know what it feels like to be tired all the time.  This week has been hell, and I've taken home work from the office every night.  Add in working at the bar on the weekend and I get very little sleep.

I'm dead tired at the moment, but have to go to work in a half hour.  Luckily it's only for three hours, so that's some consolation.  Was a long night last night, even though we closed the bar at 12.  :)
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 14, 2004, 03:19:16 pm
Insomnia isn't good.  I've been there way too many times.
If your medical will cover it, see a psychiatrist.  You coul see a GP for this, but GPs know next to nothing in this area, so you'd be getting mediocre service.  You may have an anxiety disorder, or something else of course.  At the very least they can prescribe you a good sleep med that won't screw with your head or become addictive.
Therapy might help as well and teach you how to better block racing thoughts.
As far as her hood, if the offer is there, go for it.  After all, her hood may require some expert attention.   ;)
It would be ungentlemanly to do any less.   ;D


This insomnia is a thing that I go through a couple times a year. I just cant sleep, my work and life suffer for it and then it leaves for a while and all is fine. Seriously, I look like I got in a fight I have such dark rings under my eyes from lack of sleep. Lastnight though, I just passed the hell out. its 1pm, I did not sleep too long but I got more sleep this morning then I have gotten any other day in the last few weeks.

As for her hood, respect is what keeps me from checking the fluids.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 15, 2004, 04:05:58 am
well... thats all I have to say at the moment. Confusion and frustration. Lets see how tomorrow goes.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 16, 2004, 02:01:55 am
didnt go at all. nice.

picked up her birthday card after spending about 45 minutes at the hallmark store trying to find the right one and she doesnt even come out today, didnt even respond to my either of my text messages. alright.



Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on August 16, 2004, 11:23:32 am
Interesting...

What exactly happened when you where over there the other day?  Is she totally not giving any signs at all?
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 16, 2004, 05:02:37 pm
Well, she invited me to this party that a couple local bands were throwing. She wanted to kick it with me, I told her it was not my type of music and she said she knew that but I said I would go anyways. We went with a couple friends, both of which were filiming the party and the live shows for the Bands DVD.

Just to keep it short, since I have to go to work early today.

She was kicking it with the bass player of the band a little more then I prefer.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on August 16, 2004, 05:42:44 pm
Not to be short, dude, but that's what girls do.
Being a gentleman is one thing, but I get the feeling that this chick wants you to take charge and make your move.  Could be wrong, but i just get that impression in this particular case.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 16, 2004, 06:04:54 pm
Its possible that is the case but again, I have never been good at reading people when what I should be reading is coming at me.

It could be a number of things, like she is newly single and is enjoying 'playing the field' or that she is possibly trying to get me to make my move ( which I am doubting more and more when I think about it ).

Its just comments like " you know, I always have fun with you, we should hang out more often because we dont hang out enough " and then when we finally do, months after she says this, she doesnt kick it with me.

Honeslty, I think she is way out of my league. I think she is just enjoying the attention. Kinda pisses me off but whatever. I am down with being friends, I would sooner be friends then ruin the friendship because of my unshared interests.

Just all the signals I have been recieving on and off for the last 5 months or so are confusing me. I have no clue as to what I should do. Some people are telling me I should just go for it and whatever happens, happens. Some people are telling me that I should not bother because I am maybe seeing what I want to see and not what is really happening. I have never been good in these situations when it comes to me so I am completly confused.

As is, I am trying to get a friend to open up to me as to why he has been so pissy and well, I think the situation is with this chick as well, I think he likes her too which wont be good at all but I have had this feeling about him for a while now.

Whatever she chooses to do she will do and I will be fine with that unless its a total destructive act and then I will step in with a vengence. She kept me from being homeless, no matter how things work out, I owe her damned near a life debt because if I would have been homeless again ( I was before ) I would have offed myself then starve, freeze and beg for change. She pretty much saved my life.

Anyways, I am off to work, I am going in early all week. Ill leave you with the birthday card I bought her. Those who know me, what do you think? Does this card sound like me or what?

She is turning 20 years old on thursday and the card is as follows...

Psychologists say we go through 7 stages of adjustment when we turn 30

[1] - Denile
[2] - Denile
[3] - Denile
[4] - Denile
[5] - Denile
[6] - Denile
[7] - Denile

I figure when she reads the front, she will say, " I AM NOT 30!" and then open it up and muhahahha

anyways, frustration and stuff persisits. Who know how this will go. Ill give it more time, the guy next door says I should just go for it but I dont want to risk the friendship over something I see that really isnt there.its been 5 years since I have dated anyone, last 2 relationships went very poorly and kinda screwed me up and I would sooner not have another screwed up one at the expense of a good friendship.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on August 16, 2004, 06:35:04 pm
I might be overstepping my bounds here, since I've already made up my mind about such things, and decided I don't want long terms plans with a woman, but here goes...
Have her over for a drink or something.  When you sit down to chill, talk to her.  Be direct and open and don't beat around the bush.  Tell her that you think you see something there and wonder about how she feels as well.
As the conversation progresses one fo two things should happen: she'll get uncomfortable and make it clear that's not the direction she wants to go in, or she will tell you what you're hoping to hear.  In either case, it should be a weight lifted off your shoulders.
I too am terrible at reading people, so this is the only method that seems to have gotten me anywhere.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 17, 2004, 09:03:10 am
My issues with going that route, which I have thought of, is that she just broke up with her boyfriend of 2 years. I dont want to come off as pushy or anything. I also dont want to be the rebound, I have been that and it sucks. I want to give her time to heal from the BS she went through but also I fear if I wait too long I miss my chance, which by the way could have already happened just last saturday night.

What I have decided to do though is confront mr bass player tomorrow if he is at work when I show up to his work and pretty much tell him, " I know what you are up to, I know the game, I have played the game and playing those games gets people hurt real bad and I am not talking about emotional ".

You see, she has had a crush on this guy for a while and well, hes the player type and I know his game and well, he is taking advantage of a friend of mine and that sh*t just wont happen. I wont stand for it, even if it ruins the friendship I am willing to do that to protect her from herself and him.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on August 17, 2004, 11:58:51 am
That's your choice, and I can respect that.  In the long run, not being direct might be the right thing to do, or at least, A right thing to do.  Just keep in mind that you want to provide her a supportive caring relationship, whereas the other guys around her are just looking for a nice piece of @$$.  Also keep in mind that if things don't turn out as you like, you made a conscious decision to let them be that way.
I don't mean this to sound rude, I just don't want you to regret not going for it down the road.  persoanlly, I like the direct route, because you can get the answers you're looking for without "making a move."  I'm sure most would see it as making a move, but I don't, since all you're doing is taking stock of each others feelings.
As for the dude, if he really is just a player, go for it man, kick his posterior.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on August 17, 2004, 12:27:13 pm
I have to agree with CK on this one, though I lean on the side of it being a right thing to do.  By being direct you are being honest, and while she may not end up being interested, at least your being straight forward with her.

I'm not one to take the direct route, though when I have its been far less detrimental than it originally appears to be.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on August 17, 2004, 12:48:16 pm
Interesting that she says "We should spend more time together". Does she say this often? If she does you could play it cool with her and if she comes up to you again and says something similar come back at her with " Well let's go out for a drink together on such and such a night?". She has to give you an answer right there without you going up to her and making a fool of yourself.  :)

If she says Sure then it's onto the next level, If she say "Uh I don't think I can do that" then you know where you stand, if she says "Let's not do that, let's do it when that Bass player is around" then you know what her plan is!

If she hints something to you then ask her out there and then, it makes more sense bud.

^^Redshift's plan.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 17, 2004, 05:02:34 pm
I have to agree with CK on this one, though I lean on the side of it being a right thing to do.  By being direct you are being honest, and while she may not end up being interested, at least your being straight forward with her.

I'm not one to take the direct route, though when I have its been far less detrimental than it originally appears to be.

Ill think about your adivce and Ck's advice. It will be saturday at the earliest when I see her next. I saw her for a tiny bit lastnight when I headed down the the coffee shop on my lunch for some coffee and stuff, had a 13 hour workday lastnight. Did not have much time to say anything but hi and bye.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 17, 2004, 05:04:13 pm
Interesting that she says "We should spend more time together". Does she say this often? If she does you could play it cool with her and if she comes up to you again and says something similar come back at her with " Well let's go out for a drink together on such and such a night?". She has to give you an answer right there without you going up to her and making a fool of yourself.  :)

If she says Sure then it's onto the next level, If she say "Uh I don't think I can do that" then you know where you stand, if she says "Let's not do that, let's do it when that Bass player is around" then you know what her plan is!

If she hints something to you then ask her out there and then, it makes more sense bud.

^^Redshift's plan.

She says it at least once a month but we dont get to hang out. Next time she says something I am definatly going to try to set something up. I am going to try to set something up with her for this weekend if possible, somehow I doubt it will be but ill try.

Drinking is not the best of ideas. I might be 6'2" and 170-180lbs and she may be 5'0" and 95 lbs but she can out drink me. I am such a lightweight now its sad, I have not drank on a steady basis in many years.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 18, 2004, 07:45:52 am
Went down to the local coffee shop before work today and see if 'the playa' was there but I did not have the energy to confront him, perhaps tomorrow.

I also went back during my lunch break, my 9:40pm lunch break, to give her the birthday card I bought her, she read it and just as I expected, said " hey " and then threw a empty pack of smokes at me, which of course missed, because she 'throws wraith like a girl'. She loved the card etc. Came up gave me a big ass hug. Playa was there, I gave him a scowl and he broke eye contact with a quickness. I was only able to spend a few moments there tonight so I did not get any time to do anything, which is my life until late october when work slows down or I find a new job.

well, thats about all I can write right now, I am going to pass the hell out and check here tomorrow. I am going to try to wake early and see if she wants to have lunch tomorrow.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on August 18, 2004, 08:05:42 am
Looking at it EE, this is very much a case of playing it by ear.  When the time comes, you'll know the move to make...just don't talk yourself out of doing the right thing.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 18, 2004, 08:18:50 am
Yeah, hopefully I notice when the right time is to do everything I need to do. I have made up my mind that tomorrow I am going to have a talk with 'playa' and pretty much tell him how its going to go. I am going to tell him he really doesnt have a choice in the whole matter, he needs to back off and give some space. He has one choice and he better make it. I dont really want to fight this guy, I dont want anything to do with fighting anyone, I am way beyond that stage but I just feel like the last resort is a good old ass kicking.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 19, 2004, 07:46:20 am
Well, I went down there today and he was there but he was with another friend so it was not the place or time to do it. Tomorrow will be. Only I have a delima.

should I?

A: Have a talk with him, as mentioned above, stating I know what he is up to and it needs to end here and now otherwise there will be problems.

or

B: Have a talk with her, telling her that I trust her to do the right thing when it comes down to it but I dont trust him at all because of his previous actions and that because she is in a vulnarable state right now, I worry more about him taking advantage of her.

'A' is the easier of the two, because... well... I have the time to do it. 'B' isnt as easy because the next time I will see her is maybe Saturday and that may be too  far away. Or should I go with C which is have a talk with both of them.

I am pretty set on 'A" after 11 hours at work thinking over the problem, 'B' shows trust in her and her desisions but again, it may be too late.

god I hate this crap.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on August 19, 2004, 07:55:31 am
I would suggest option B.  While option A may be more direct in getting to the root of the problem, you end up circumventing her and that could cause problems for your friendship.  Option B, if it turns out to be timely, could also make her aware of the fact that you care for her, without having to be completely direct about it.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 19, 2004, 08:07:23 am
I also feel B is the right choice but damnit, its so long away and I hate being worried. Maybe I can find a way to see her sooner then that but its doubtful. I work at 6pm for the next two days, she doesnt get off until 5:30pm and lives about 20 minutes from me. Tomorrow is no good because well, I have to get up in less then 2 hours to drive my roomie to work ( 2 hour round triip ) then go to sleep, again, wake up for work, go to work for 2 hours, take 2 hours off of work to grab him, go back to work and work until 4-5am. rinse and repeat for tomorrow ( except the driving roomie to work part ).

I so want to do A tomorrow, so bad but I will hold off.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on August 19, 2004, 08:16:27 am
I just think that option A is a poor choice, and can lead to far more trouble in the long run.  You have no idea how she would react to such a thing...though I'm quite sure it wouldn't be positive.

Just have some patience, and for the moment trust her to do the right thing.  That's all you can do in this situation.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 19, 2004, 08:18:43 am
But I cant trust him at all. I will go with B only because I will need as much sleep as possible tomorrow and will be unable to do A even if I wanted :D

Well, we will see how it goes.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on August 19, 2004, 08:25:26 am
It's fine not to trust him, as from what you describe he is nothing but a player, and will hurt her.  But, you have to trust that she will do the right thing and won't rush in to anything.  That may be difficult, as she is vulnerable, but it's all you can do.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on August 19, 2004, 12:40:42 pm
I think you're worried too much about this.  If you bring this up to her my experience is that it won't work, and in the end you'll only be left with an "I told you so," which helps no one.
However, guys are much better about this type of warning.  Confront the dude.  That's my bet.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 19, 2004, 01:00:03 pm
Well, my roomie also thinks I should talk to her and not go behind her back. I have already sent her a Email saying I want to have lunch with her Saturday or Sunday to talk about some stuff with her, perferably Saturday.

I dont think it will be a "I told you so" episode. She will do what she wants to do regardless. The least I can do as a friend is be there if and when stuff goes bad. She will know I told her so and I wont have to say a word. I just want her to know that I am worried and that she should be careful. If things get to the point to where it is, " I told you so " then he will regret it.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 20, 2004, 07:57:24 am
new pic

(http://pixstorage.com/view/image.php?id=6400)

I really like this pic

I bit my tounge and sat on my hands today when mr playa sat next to me at the coffee shop. Took much control.

" hrm.. i think lunch suday could work... because im not sure whats happening sat... but ill keep you updated

what kind of things dear? is everything alright? "

At least we will be talking sunday at the latest. I lalked to her through text Messages a bit today and she agree's we need to talk.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on August 20, 2004, 12:20:23 pm
Is that her?!  :o

Woah, if you can ship the player over to the UK I can lock him in a basement indefinatly so you can have her for yourself.  ;) :P

J/K...I don't have a basement.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on August 20, 2004, 03:44:51 pm
She thinks you need to talk too, eh?  Any idea what she wants to talk to you about?
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 20, 2004, 04:39:43 pm
Is that her?!  :o

Woah, if you can ship the player over to the UK I can lock him in a basement indefinatly so you can have her for yourself.  ;) :P

J/K...I don't have a basement.

yeah, that is one of the newest pictures she had taken.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 20, 2004, 04:43:49 pm
She thinks you need to talk too, eh?  Any idea what she wants to talk to you about?


Beats me. This is pretty much the waqy the emails went

ME:  Hey, I got a question for ya. If you have the time, Saturday or Sunday, perferably Saturday, you want to go out and have lunch? I need to talk to ya about some things. Give me a text message after 3pm with the anwser or leave me a email or a message here.

HER:  hrm.. i think lunch suday could work... cuz im not sure whats happening sat... but ill keep you updated

what kind of things dear? is everything alright?

ME:  Yes and no. Everything is fine Iam just worried about a few things and just feel talking in person is a much better iidea then through Email or over the phone.

Thats about all I can remember. Then over text messages she said she had been wanting to talk to me too. I hope its not a phonebook check because I dont want to get shanked in the ribs

Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on August 20, 2004, 11:26:59 pm
It's possible that she wants to hit that, hit that.   ;D
Just remember the one line that always works, and you must always use when trying to seduce a woman.  Sage words from Blazing Saddles:
"Just hold on one second while I whip this thing out..."
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 21, 2004, 07:14:45 am
Piclk up lines that dont work...

Are those your real eyes or are they cybernetic?

Are those your real legs or are they prothstetics?

I could wear your @$$ like it was a hat

I can go down on you for hours

In your hands I would look like a god

You have the hands of a child, would you like to come home with me?

You have stolen my heart but dont worry, I have 3 more in the fridge at home.

Anyways, Playa sat by me again today but again I held in the anger and did not destroy him. 1 more day. Its possible I will see her today sometime so maybe today even. If I do talk to her today I hope lunch is still on for tomorrow, I owe her a couple.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on August 21, 2004, 08:49:09 am
Ok EE my buddy, you must find some way to tap that.  I'm not just talking tapping for the sake of tapping, because it's obvious that your quite taken with this lady.  Anyway, work this sh*t out and move on to the happiness.

BTW, she's quite attractive and looks alot like the girl I'm currently seeing.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 21, 2004, 04:43:01 pm
Her being attractive is a bonus. Her personallity is the main issue. I have a rule and so far I have been able to live by it. I dont care how attractive you are, if you have no personality, no sense of humor or intelligence then your @$$ is getting kicked to the curb. I wont be that person to say looks or attractiveness dont matter because they do but personallity comes first.

Also, my intent isnt to 'hit it'. If I wanted to 'hit' something I have many choices from the past, I could care less about 'hitting it'.

well, off to shower, shave, shave my head and go to the coffee shop
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Hstaphath_XC on August 24, 2004, 09:49:25 am
Any news yet?

Come on, EE, you've been secretly in love with this girl for YEARS!

Please don't tell me you chickened out again.   :P
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 26, 2004, 05:54:55 am
Sorry, Internet is out and still out. Posting from friends house after wokr so I cant say much at the moment. Issues have been resolved on some fronts but other then that I will fill you guys in on more tomorrow if the net is up.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Hstaphath_XC on August 26, 2004, 10:52:15 am
Well, that explains a bit, hang in there Jason!  We'll be standing by.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 26, 2004, 03:09:26 pm
OK, the quick version.

I nearly kicked 'playa's" ass several times over the last week but I held back and did not do it. Its to the point that he wont look at me or anything, which is good.... and bad. I smoked 4 1/2 packs of smokes just not to do it between the hours of 2pm sunday and 1am monday morning.

Things are still a bit up in the air at the moment. I hung with her for a bit yesterday, only 30 minutes or so and nothing really has changed, she acts pretty much the same around me so I know my friendship with her is not damaged. Ill post more when I get off work, I got stuff I need to do before work.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Hstaphath_XC on August 27, 2004, 12:07:07 pm
Bump!

Still standing by for the play-by-play action report.   ;)
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 27, 2004, 03:19:03 pm
sorry man, I have been exausted from work. As you saw in LJ, Its friday and I already have 39 hours of work done this week. I will post the report on SAturday when I have had some time to rest etc. Life has been insane as of late.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 28, 2004, 04:20:37 pm
REPORT: DATELINE

Ok, first off I would like to express many thanks to my boses who just gave my sorry ass a raise after working at a job for only 1 1/2 months. Now making $1 more then I used to or $9.75 ( aint much ) a hour.

As for everything else, its going pretty good. excuse me if I repeat myself, did not read everything over again.  Me and her ex-boyfriend had a talk for about 2 hours sunday night, I expressed my worries to him about the whole 'playa' issue and he said he was worried about it too and that it was good that someone else was seeing the same thing because he thought he was going nuts. I told him that I saw the same thing and that I wanted to kick 'playa's ass. he said its a good thing I did not, She needs positive people and the last thing she needs is me not around.

other then that, I have seen her once for about 30 minutes. I have been too busy working that I cant even tell you how tired I am. if I had a camera, you would understand.

This week has been pretty much hell. A week ago last friday we got 2 new people, last monday we got 3 more for a total of 5, by wensday, 2 new guys quit, 1 vet quits, this last friday 1 more guy quit and as of the 3rd another is quitting. that means we are down about 8 people or about 50% of our work force. To top it off, cops are harrassing our workers day in and day out. its been lame.

well, I need to hit the sprint store and get me a new phone, my phone is messing up as well so I must replace it. damn I wish I had insurance on it.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on August 28, 2004, 10:03:18 pm
First, why are the cops harassing your workers?  Something doesn't smell right about that.
Secondly, what's happening between her an playa? 
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 29, 2004, 12:29:34 am
I think the reason why Officer Baker is bothering us is because he has nothing better to do. We work from 7pm to god awful hours in the morning, sometimes as late as 11am. I think he is giving himself something to do.

As for playa, I have not seen him in a few days. From what I gather, ex-boyfriend and her had a talk about playa and she said that nothing is happening on her part but she will be more observant and careful just incase, thats why a lot of my stress has been relieved.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on August 30, 2004, 07:38:57 am
Wow and I thought my job was draining.  :(
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on August 30, 2004, 10:00:07 am
Here's what you do:
Get a dog that likes to hump people's legs and leave the dog out in the area that this cop spies on you.  After a few leg humpings he'll either shoot the dog, or not come back.  Either way, You win!!!    ;D
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on August 30, 2004, 10:50:03 am
Also, EE,
Keep said dog away from the girl.  Don't need the mutt movin in on your territory.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Hstaphath_XC on August 30, 2004, 12:27:19 pm
Wait a minute EE!

Are we to understand that you STILL haven't let that poor girl know how you feel about her?!   :o

Heck, I KNOW you are shy about such things and all, but Jeez... do you want me to have a talk with her?
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on August 30, 2004, 12:35:43 pm
Our vaunted hero in this little opera is doing his best not to push her and allow her time to heal from past issues before he tries to push that kind of pressure on her.  We may think he should go for it, but it's his choice, and we have to trust in our hero to do the right thing. 
Either that or change the channel.   ;)
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 30, 2004, 04:44:13 pm
I think she may have some idea but who knows. some friends were trying to set me up with this one chick but I did not dig her. She came up to me and asked me what I thought of 'the chicl' and I said that she would be a cool friend but other then that, there is nothing there. I also stated that I feel bad because everyone was trying so hard ( way too hard ) to make this set up work( one that I did not even ask nor want to happen ) and I did not know how to tell 'the chick' that I was not interested. I then mentioned to her that ' its been so long, I dont think I could tell someone I liked how I felt'. *Hint hint*

lol. Anyways, got my new phone, gots a camera. only $270 stolen from me. time to get dressed and get my ass headed to the coffee shop and then off to work. this week starts the 70 hour weeks and $680 a week paychecks ( after taxes )

take care all and I will see you after 8am tomorrow morning
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 30, 2004, 04:45:34 pm
Wait a minute EE!

Are we to understand that you STILL haven't let that poor girl know how you feel about her?!   :o

Heck, I KNOW you are shy about such things and all, but Jeez... do you want me to have a talk with her?


Heyya Hepp. I am sure you see her posting in my LJ every once in a while, no where near as much a she was. I do want to give her space to decide on what she wants to do. If she decides on nothing I am cool with that. I would sooner keep the friendship strong then do anything to damage that.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Mentat Jon on August 30, 2004, 06:18:55 pm
Well : Noun, a deep shaft were poatable waters can be drawn from within :)
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on August 31, 2004, 04:15:50 am
Oh poor EE  :(

Think about it, would you ever be able to move on in this current situation? I doubt it. Sure you've kept a friend but you'll also become a monk for life in doing so! Does anyone else around you know how you feel about her?
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on August 31, 2004, 09:06:53 am
Only one person knows anything about anything. Chances of it getting out are slim to none and if it did, I know where it came from. I would sooner stay friends then screw things up. Its not worth it to do or say anything unless I have a good idea that she feels the same. It would ruin the friendship or at least hurt it and I dont want that. I can go without for the greater good.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Hstaphath_XC on August 31, 2004, 10:16:45 am
... unless I have a good idea that she feels the same.

Looks to me like that is the next thing on the "to-do" list right there.

Now, how to go about finding out... the hints you have been using with her may indeed be far to subtle.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 01, 2004, 09:09:41 am
LOL. The best thing to entice a chick is to get injured and sure enough it happened. Got hit by a forklift at work today, I will post more when I wake up but to let everyone know, I am fine. bruising, swelling, nothing serious, looked worse then it was. did break the pallet in two places with my left shin. that was rather neat, hearing the wood crack ( thinking it was my bones ) and still working the entire night.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 01, 2004, 09:17:17 am
Been there, and it sucks.
Talk to the girl and let her know about your injuries.  See if you can get a little florence Nightingale thing goin on...
When she comes over to nurse you back to health, make sure the dog we talked about is not around though.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 01, 2004, 09:30:47 am
lol. I dont know whats going on with the whole situation. I get some things and then some things I dont get. Its like this.

I got a Text Message from her at work yesterday ( monday to you guys ) that reads like this...

"Sorry I haven't talked to you lately... I've been super depressed... Woul you like to get together when you have time? Tomorrow?"

Now, she knows she gets off work at 5-5:30pm and that I have to leave for work at 6:30pm. The earliest she can get down here is 5:30pm which leaves maybe 1 hour, which I would cherrish but hell, it does not leave much time. It does on the other hand beat out all the time I have spent with her in over a month since I started this job.

So, I see her at the coffee shop today ( tuesday night ) for about 15 minutes and the most I got was a simi-hug from her and no real conversation. This is starting to really annoy me. anyways, I dont know whats going on. The rave is this Saturday and well, we will see how things go then. I am about to just say funk it for now. She needs her space and god damnit I want to help her if she is depressed or whatever but whenever I try to do the friend thing, she pushes me away and I dont know why.

I dont want to go reading into whats not there or what I think might be there and isnt really but I am totally confused as to what the hell to do. I feel like I should give her the space she needs, which I told her I would do in a voice mail I left her. Problem is, she wont really talk to me. oh well.

All my life is, is work and sleep anyhow. I dont have much time for much else with conflicting work cycles. I guess her previous comment of " I miss hanging out with you and we dont hang out as often as I would like " was a lie. I have weekends.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 01, 2004, 10:11:11 am
"I'm depressed" explains alot, actually.  When people are dpressed they often want someone to be there for the, and when someone's not there it feeds the depression.  At the same time, the depression screw you up and you (often times almost intentionally) end up pushing away the very people you want to be around you.  the end result is that the depression is fed either way (in the short run).  If she's depressed, be there for her.  Make an effort to talk to her regularly and see how she's doing.  If she pushes you away be nice, and tell her you have to go ort something politely and leave her alone till the next day or maybe a bit longer, but not too long.  This way, both neeeds are met- her need to support and caring and her need for some space.
If you ust leave her space it won' help anything.
Brian
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 01, 2004, 04:00:36 pm
almost every time I try to communicate with her I get the cold shoulder. Its getting to be so annoying I just dont even want to bother with it anymore. Anyways. Again, this weekend will tell. I am starting to get into the mood of not eatting again and having trouble sleeping. I have had 14 hours sleep since sunday night. Gotta love the frustration.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 03, 2004, 11:02:26 am
1 more day of work and then its Noctournal Wonderland! WOO HOO!

Hoepfully I can find out where things stand then as well. She has been push me away a bit more but she did send me a email saying, "  im going to call you when i get off work... i need to talk to you real quickly..." so umm, I dont know whats up with that. Perhaps its about someone else, me or squirrles, who knows. Anyways, it has been a 13 hour work day, my ankle is killing me, my foot is starting to show signs of bruising and I need rest.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Hstaphath_XC on September 03, 2004, 12:44:56 pm
... Perhaps its about someone else, me or squirrles, who knows.

Well, she DOES have a thing for squirrels, ya know.  They give her noots.   ;)

Have a great weekend, bro.  Please let us know how it turns out!
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on September 03, 2004, 01:07:14 pm
Please let us know how it turns out!


Ditto!
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 03, 2004, 05:10:19 pm
and now this reply,

 " what time do you work tonight? do you think i can stop by?

sa!!y "

WTH is going on, all of a sudden she wants to contact me? well, illl see how this goes.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 04, 2004, 07:52:02 am
OK, So I go to work with no call from her, I text message her with no responce. I do end up calling her on my lunch break and she answers the phone. She tells me that she needs to talk to me. So I decide rather then talk on the phone, I will head down the the coffee shop.

I get to the shop and quite a few of my friends are there, I get leared at by 'playa' as I leave to have a walk with sally and talk with her. We walk down a ways, away from the patio, sit down and start talking about stuff. She says that she wants to go to the rave but since her ex is going, she wont be going and gives me the ticket back. I ask her why she doesnt want to go and she says that her ex is the reason, apparently they have gotten into 4+ arguments in the last 2 weeks, she then proceeds to start crying. Not knowing what to do, I give her a hug ( which may have been a bad idea, noting I had been working in a hot warehouse for 3 hours prior to this ). She calms down and we talk for about 20 minutes until I have to leave for work.

She says that she misses me and wants to hang out with me more often. We have also made plans to hang out on Sunday or Monday, since she cant go to the rave, I told her we will do something for her birthday, she sounded happy about that.

So thats pretty much it. I know shes not pissed at me which is a major plus, I know we are still friends and we get to hang out on sunday or monday. Unforutnatly, I really wanted her to go to the rave so she could relax, unwind and enjoy a night of no pressures.

Well, my workweek is over, I need to get me some sleep so I can do laundery before the rave. Ill be back 2pm PST
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 04, 2004, 01:02:30 pm
First of all, the playa has no right to leer at you, since he's the one in the wrong, so kick his ass.
Secondly, he obviously hsn't learned anything, so kick his ass again for good measure.
Thirdly, we don't like him, so kick his ass once more for us.
Fourthly, you seem stressed, so kick his ass again for good measure.
Sorry about the rave.  Do something super sweet for her for her bday instead, see if it brings out any special feelings she's harboring for you.  If nothing else, it'll make her feel really special and cheer her up.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 04, 2004, 03:37:52 pm
My other plan for her birthday is to take her to a place that does sail plane rides. You get a 30 minute ride over the mountains and desert of So Cal.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 04, 2004, 04:07:40 pm
First of all, the playa has no right to leer at you, since he's the one in the wrong, so kick his ass.
Secondly, he obviously hsn't learned anything, so kick his ass again for good measure.
Thirdly, we don't like him, so kick his ass once more for us.
Fourthly, you seem stressed, so kick his ass again for good measure.
Sorry about the rave.  Do something super sweet for her for her bday instead, see if it brings out any special feelings she's harboring for you.  If nothing else, it'll make her feel really special and cheer her up.


I cant kick his ass, he is friends with friends of mine and well, I need to keep things cool.

I am not to stressed right now. weekend has arrived, I am going to see some friends of mine, but not the one I really wanted to see but that will change in a day ro two. I dont know for sure what I want to do for her birthday, It took me a while to figure out what I was originally going to do, I wanted something with some thought put into it. I just need to figure something out and quick. Perhaps I will allow her to choose her day of what she wants to do. I know there is this resturaunt that she wants to go to in hollywood but I dont know the name lol. maybe ill take her out to dinner there or something. Or maybe hire a mariachi band that sings all of Tupac's hit's. ( thats a joke by the way ).
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 05, 2004, 04:46:58 pm
Joy of Joys, my car was stolen lastnight.

sigh
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 05, 2004, 04:50:03 pm
Oh damn...
Any chance at all in it being recovered?  was it insured for this type of thing?
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 05, 2004, 04:51:23 pm
I was going to get insurance on my car on Wensday. I am uninsured.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 05, 2004, 04:55:38 pm
My car is one of those cars that is stolen for its engine alone. If they can recover the car, with the wire harness in place, I can get me a new engine for rather cheap. problem is my $700+ in stereo equipment in my car. God I wish I would have left that kill switch in the car.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 06, 2004, 05:21:02 am
Well, I have checked back two more times with the police, to make sure they are on the ball, thats 4 times in a day, I dont think they are happy hehe. Still not reported towed. I will be checking with all 61 towing companies on tuesday when they are open and hunting down my car. If I find it, I will then be notifying the police of where its located and going to get back my car, while getting some form of comensation if possible. If I get my car back with no damage and paying no impound fee, I will be happy enough. The police said that it was most likely stolen since its not been reported by any towing company. I need to find out my rights on that.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 07, 2004, 05:24:56 am
still no news on my car, I have now let it go in my mind as a total loss. I am now totally screwed because I wont have the money for a new car.

Also, Sally and I did not hang out on Monday like we had planned. I tried calling her and texting her, both without a reply. I am also letting that go as a total loss. Both things will no longer bother me, I have other things to worry about, like not being homeless,without a car or a way to work, which I would sooner die then be. It wont happen again.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on September 07, 2004, 05:53:59 am
:(

I'm really sorry to hear what's happened EE. Assholes who steal cars don't realise that to some people it is a lifeline. I don't know what to say, I just really sympathise :(

Can you get to work without your car? Can you pick up a really cheap form of transport like a motorbike or moped to tie you over?
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 07, 2004, 10:32:36 am
Are there any beaters you could fork out a few hundred for, or borrow around to get? 
I agree with redshift on this.  Growing up I've always had people tell me "they're just things, the can be replaced."  Well, no, not always.  And even if they could, you miss the point entirely.  Sure, you just paid cash for that car, but that cash cost you time and energy that you could have spent on something more intrinsically rewarding than that.  You gave a part of yourself, a good chunk most likely, to get and keep that car, and some asshole went out of his way to take it from you.  And it's not just a car.  Thanks to the wonderful powers that be in this country, cars are all but necessary, and can't be done without.  Like redshift said, it's your lifeline.  Without it, you can't get to work.  without work, you live homeless, and the pattern goes on.  Someone took a piece of you and it was a piece that you needed in order to go on living.
I'm not suire what to do to help you, but at the very least you could ask around the boards for sources to get a new car, who knows what you might find.
As for the girl, sorry to hear things are going like that.  Hope today proves to be better than yesterday and the day before.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 09, 2004, 09:08:08 am
Cops called me at 6pm and said they found my car, without a stereo though. Hopefully those ungrateful bastards decided to leave my sunglasses and handsfree set and left the glove box alone but I know that is too much to ask. The cops said the car appears drivable, so hopefully the ignition isnt too screwed up. I hope they did not take my rims too, I will be bringing some extra rims and tires just in case when I pick my car up. Its going to cost me about $130 to get my car out of impound too.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 09, 2004, 11:20:44 am
First of all, that's great that the car is there and drivable.  I hope the loss and damage isn't too high on it.
Now, that amazes me- some @$$ hole steals your car, strips it clean and now you have to pay to get it back.  Priceless.  I hate the government.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on September 09, 2004, 02:12:03 pm
Pheww, thank goodness they found it. Hopefully not much was taken and hopefully it's drivable.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 09, 2004, 07:08:37 pm
They straight cleaned me out.

Stereo - Gone but wires in good condition
Amp - Gone
Speakers and Box - Gone
Ash tray - gone
Shift Knob - gone
INTAKE! ALL OF IT - GONE, FUNKING GONE. Cant even drive the god damned car

Well, Ill figure things out, still stuck without a car and out $195 so far. More to go to finish fixing my car. I need to clean it too, they wiped the car down with break fluid to remove their prints. HINT: DOnt keep break fluid in your car.

Anyways, I am pretty pissed off. Car starts fine but it appears they did some racing or something in it. I still have nearly a full tank of gas and I am going to find who these people were and do some bad things to them. I already have people in the 'underground' listening for them. I know some shady fools, something should turn up.

anyways. Time to get ready for work to put in another 12+ hour day. At least I have a car, even if its not drivable.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 09, 2004, 11:13:13 pm
It's a start, at least.  Maybe you can get the car on "Pimp my ride??"
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 12, 2004, 03:45:44 am
The last few days...

Got my car back, paid $130 to cover San Bernardino PD Fee's, paid $65 to get it towed back to my house, anothr $15 to replace the shift knob they stole, $240 for the intake they stole, $10 to wash it and 4 hours of my time so far, cleaning and repairing my car. Its still not clean inside, I still have a couple of hours of brake fluid cleaning to do.

As for the Sally thing, Friday she wanted to hang out with me last monday, last monday no call and since then, really no contact. I think this may have had something to do with it...

" Well, I am going to be taking a break from everyone apparently. The last week just has me emotionally drained. I will try to hit jazz sometime this weekend, if at all possible, hopefully We can hang out but that appears to be as likely as my car coming back to me in 1 peice. I hope everything goes well in the future for you. If you need absolutly anything, call me and I will do what I can.

I need to figure out stuff, how I am going to get my life back together again after this new setback. I just dont want to show to jazz and bum people out. I really cant deal with this stress at this time. The last thing I need to do is be stuck in this house but no other choice. Its not work and sleep. Hopefully I can figure something out soon.

Take care of yourself. I consider you one of my close friends and I have really missed kicking it with you. I hope things get better for you asap.

take care. "

I sent her that Email. Now, I relise that it does sound mean, it was not intended to. I know the sentence ' hopefully We can hang out but that appears to be as likely as my car coming back to me in 1 peice' sounds meaner then it should have, I should have put a smile or something behind it but hindsight is 20/20.

anyways, thats about it. not much more went on besides nearly kicking the butt of a co-worker a couple days ago but we talked that out and all is good.

now to see if $40 can last me until Tuesday morning.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 12, 2004, 10:21:01 am
Dude, I don't think reworkding or adding a smiley to that email would have helped.  You basically gave her the "let's be friends" speech, which never goes over well, regardless.
Don't get me wrong, I know that you're in a tough postion right now, and your tired and frustrated, but I don't think that email was the right thing to do.  That's the mean opinion, i hope you don't take that too much to heart, cuz IMHO it's just one mistake in a line of actions that show you to be a well thought, hard working excellent person.
Of course, how you handle it is you business, that's just my opinion. 
Re: the car, I don't know much about them, so don't know how to help you.  At least you have it and it's on its way to getting back to running condition again.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 12, 2004, 01:18:17 pm
I sent this Email lastnight but she has not been online yet today. She is sick at the moment.

" I made a major mistake Sally. I think you may have took the email below the wrong way because of my mistake. You see, the part , "hopefully We can hang out but that appears to be as likely as my car coming back tome in 1 peice." was meant as a joke, not to be taken as a mean comment in any way. I just picked a poor choice of words and forgetting that 'tone' cannot be portrayed well through text.

Being stressed about the whole car thing, being really stressed at work because of constant nagging about our performance, not seeing ANYONE in a while now had me in a really weird place. I can understand fully if you are angry with me about the email and all I can really say is, I goofed. For that I am sorry, it was never my intent to insult you. Again, I am sorry. I feel horrible. I really hope you are not angry with me about that. As you can read in the rest of the message, I was not upset with you.

Well, I hope you take my suggestion on LJ and try some Orange Sherbet for your throat, wont help with the cough but it will help with the pain. Have you tried eatting straight honey for the cough? I have also found that helps quite a bit.

I will be a willing subject to any wraith you feel must be thrown at me, I deserve it.

take care.

Jason "

Well, off to do laundery, ponder what I am going to do today and really ponder if I am going to drive out to Sally's house and deliver her some Orange Sherbet ice cream for her throat just because it would be the nice thing to do.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Hstaphath_XC on September 12, 2004, 02:10:48 pm
Well, off to do laundery, ponder what I am going to do today and really ponder if I am going to drive out to Sally's house and deliver her some Orange Sherbet ice cream for her throat just because it would be the nice thing to do.

Yes, you really should.  With bells on, boyo-- hey, you haven't left yet?!  ;)
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 13, 2004, 12:41:25 am
Today was an outstanding day for me. First off, I head off to the coffee shop because I was bored at home and who do I find there? Her. I sit down, thinking things would be rather odd but instead, she comes over, sits on my lap and gives me a big what felt like 2 minute hug. After that we go watch Napoleon Dynamite, which rules and then kicked it at the coffee shop until 10pm. So I kicked it with her and her ex for about 11 hours. Today was a good day in my eyes, my stress and such has been relieved, I know she isnt pissed at me, which umm... means that the message I left her saying sorry is gonna be rather odd because I know she has not read it yet. Oh well.

The week started out horrible but ended very good. I am happy. Now if only she would give me those hugs more often tee hee.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 13, 2004, 10:05:13 am
Let me guess, she sat on your lap hugging you until the first thing came up?   ;D
Glad you had a good time bro- you needed it.  Try not to go so long between good times with her again.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 13, 2004, 04:40:21 pm
haha, well, we wont be talking about that, I had to keep thinking about Grandma,midgets and unicorns the whole time. It was hard, well... no it wasnt but you know what I mean, the situation was tough. Sitting there, thinking about Grandma and midgets and unicorns the whole time, with THE chick sitting in my lap, good smelling perfume, her ex watching, more thinking of granmda, midgets and unicorns and hoping that I dont associate good times, the smell of perfume and other things with grandma, midgets and unicorns.

it was hard......er tough.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 13, 2004, 05:18:57 pm
You know, some people are turned on by Grandma, midgets and unicorns...
I know you wanna be respectful and all, but maybe you shouldn't fight it- could lead to problems down the line...
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 13, 2004, 08:30:41 pm
got to fight the urge, its too soon. Well, off to my 14+ hour day at work.

Fight the power!
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 13, 2004, 10:35:54 pm
Oh come on- just let it pop it's head up for a little peak.   ;D
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 14, 2004, 04:41:25 pm
 might scare her, she is 5 foot after all.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 14, 2004, 05:26:28 pm
I've been thinking about this: see, you don't have much free time on your hands, and probably don't work out much, so I'm betting your lap is a bit bony.  She might appreciate the extra support it would offer for her while she's on your lap...
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 14, 2004, 08:22:26 pm
I work out 10+ hours a day. I have dropped 10 pounds since working at P&R Paper but I put on quite a bit of muscle.

Anyways, its official... She has started dating player. She told me today and I know the look on my face told all because well, she didnt look at me the same afterwords. Not in a good mood, not because she is dating someone other then me, I want one of my best friends to be happy, just that she is dating player.

oh well, things come in swarms, nearly break my leg, broken cell phone, car stolen, lock on driver side door breaking this morning and now this. what a freaking week.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 14, 2004, 11:10:34 pm
I was afraid this would happen.  For some reason women like guys that will screw them, mess with them, make them feel  like crap them dump them.  DOn't kno wwhy, but they're forty with kids before they figure out that this is not what they want in life.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 15, 2004, 07:23:25 am
I had a feeling it would happen as well. All I can do now is sit back and watch and wait. If he screws up, hes dead. If he screws her and ditches her, I swear I will screw him and leave him in a ditch.

I have had 8 hours at work today to become very, very angry. I have had 8 hours too long to be allowed to think.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on September 15, 2004, 12:46:06 pm
Damn I'm sorry to hear that, as I know he's the last person you wanted her to date. Just don't do anything stupid! If you want to punch this guy at anytime, talk about it here first.

 :(
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 15, 2004, 04:15:51 pm
I want to punch him ALL the time. I dislike him, I want to end him. But I cannot until he screws up.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Bonk on September 16, 2004, 06:28:06 am
I was afraid this would happen.  For some reason women like guys that will screw them, mess with them, make them feel  like crap them dump them.  DOn't kno wwhy, but they're forty with kids before they figure out that this is not what they want in life.

Sigh, so very true. I guess if it weren't for that, we would not reproduce at all... survival at the cost of evolution... Myself, I have resisted the temptation to become an idiotic abusive arse, I have too much self respect. I'd rather maintain my integrity and dignity than lower myself to the standard that is rewarded by female affection.

(Please note that I admit this is a gross generalisation, I know a few nice couples where both parties are kind sincere people, but the control factor is always there...)
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 16, 2004, 08:07:33 am
I decided that screw trying to talkto her. She cant make the time to talk, I will make the time to talk with him and lay down some ground rules. Tomorrow is D Day

Engage.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 16, 2004, 10:23:28 am
It's a bit late for ground rules man, and besides, I think he knows what you're thinking.  Like it or not, things have moved beyond your control.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on September 16, 2004, 12:17:10 pm
Yeah I agree Clark. I really think you've got to let her make her own mistakes. It's going to cut you up watching but if you take this guy down, even if he screws her over, you'll come out looking like the bad guy, she'll stick by him more.

It sucks, but it just works like that.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 16, 2004, 07:41:36 pm
Well, against your advice, I had my talk with him today. Sat there for 2 1/2 hours waiting for him to get off work to talk with him. Pretty much I told him," Sally is one of my best friends and I think this is way to early for her, she is in a fragile state right now. You need to know my ground rules.

1: You hurt her, I hurt you
2: You "F" her and leave her, I "F" you and leave you
3:  I am really protective of my friends and very protective of my female friends

Thats the basics, I pretty much let him know that if he screws up, he will pay for it. I also told him I trust her and her choices but I dont trust him at all. I told him I dont like the game he is playing and that in my opinion this is way too early after a 2 1/2 year relationship and that it should have waited longer.

we will see where things go from here and we will see if it gets back to her and if it does, how she handles it.

anyways, I am out of here, need to grab food and then find someplace other then the coffee shop to hang out until work. Some stress has been relieved.

Now if only I could talk to her.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 16, 2004, 10:07:51 pm
Oh, it WILL get back to her, and it won't get back to her in terms that are anywhere near favorable, or even truthful for you.  Mark my words, this does not bode well.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 17, 2004, 08:53:53 am
It had to be done.

I also text messaged sally today and told her, " We need to talk when you have time to do so. I noticed that after you told me about you and joe, you had a strange look on your face, likely because of the look on my face and I want to talk to you about that."

I did not recieve a text message back, which was what I expected to happen. I am currently writting a letter to her, which I will be sending to her in 5 days, if she does not respond. I will post it on here later, when its done.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 17, 2004, 09:40:06 am
Pretty much a rough draft that is going to stay how it is. I cant be any more truthful.

Dear Sally,

First off, I wanted to let you know that I had a little talk with Joe. I wanted to let you know because I did not want to go
behind your back and talk with him but you could not find the time to talk with me so that I could tell you the things I am
worried about with the whole situation. Pretty much, this is what I told joe, so you hear it from my mouth...I mean fingers.

I told him that you are one of my best friends and that I don't want to see you get hurt. I also told him that hurting you is
going to hurt him. I told him that if he plays you, he will be played (thats the nice way of putting it). I told him that
after what happened with my sister, her being raped, something that I could have stopped, I will not allow a friend of mine
to be taken advantage of. I also told him that I was worried about how fast this is occurring. I know I am different
then others and that you are different then me but I told him that I felt this was just a tad too early and that it worries
me that he is moving in way too fast and not giving you enough time to heal. And thats how I honestly feel.

As for the text message you received from me about wanting to talk, well, this is one of the things i wanted to talk to you
about. Another is about what happened at Jazz. When you told me, I was shocked, by many things. First off, I was shocked that
what I had thought was going on was indeed going on. I was also shocked by some of the feelings that over came me at this
news, some things that, well, I did not expect to happen. One was anger, anger at Joe for moving in so fast like a vulture on
a carcass. The second was a hurt that I had not felt in a very long time, at least 5 years. It struck me as odd and it really
confused me. When we first met, you were rather flirty with me, something I had not had happen in a long time, since Kim (
1999). That kind of confused me because at the time, I thought you had a boyfriend but was not totally sure as to seriousness
of it. Then we became friends and I decided to suppress those idea's/feelings because it would not be proper or right. Plus, I
did not want to ruin our relationship as friends. It was apparent, after much thinking at work that what I have been looking
for in a person, since 1999 was right under my nose but the friendship means much more to me then anything else and I did not want to risk ruining that.

Our friendship was really good for quite some time, we kept in touch on a regular basis and honestly, it was the best time I
have had in a long time. One of the things that really stood out to me about our friendship was the fact that you would text
me with random text messages saying, " Have a great day" etc. I have not had anyone do that kind of thing in a long time and
It really rocked to have someone care how my day went. It was the little things about our friendship that I really hold onto.

As of late though, things got bad between you and peter. As I stated before, I wanted to kick his ass for hurting my friend
but I knew it was not my place. The most I could do was sit back and watch because there was nothing I could do, you had to
do it. I wanted to give you advice but I also didn't because I was afraid you would get the wrong idea when I was just trying
to help, Though it pained me to see Peter constantly hurting you.

I tried many times to get together to talk to you, so I could express the things going on in my head, so I could relive some
stress and worry about how you were doing. I really wish we would have had more time to talk at Jazz before Wonderland and I
had seriously contiplated calling off work so I could spend some time with one of the best people I know. You are everything
I have ever wanted in a friend and losing your friendship would hurt, a lot. You have an awesome personality, your caring,
giving and have a bomb sense of humor. Don't let anyone tell you any different. You have also always managed to put a smile on
my face, no matter my mood. You just have that ability to cheer people up and that just stands out in my eyes.

Hopefully, you know where I am coming from. Again, its hard to do this in text because you cant hear tone of voice etc so I
hope you dont take it the wrong way. I am not good at these things, like feelings and expressing myself and writting isn't my best skill. All I want you to know is I will be here when you are ready to talk to me. If you choose not to, I understand. If this makes you feel awkward and you dont want to kick it with me I also understand, it makes me feel awkward to write this and know you are going to read it because I have never opened up to someone like this before, well, someone I knew. Complete strangers are different, you wont run into them face to face.

My goal in all of this is to make sure that one of my best friends is happy and gets everything she deserves and doesnt have
to go through the pain and stress that you have gone through over the last few months. I just want to make sure that you are
happy and I want you to know, as your friend, I will be there for you anytime you need me. Even if you choose to cancel the
subscription to our friendship, I will still be there for you, because what you did for me, helping me get a job with your
dad and helping me get my life straight, is something I cannot repay. You saved me from, homelessness and possibly worse. I
cant repay that with anything else but friendship and protection.

I am sorry for going behind your back and talking with Joe. I just wanted Joe to understand my point of view on the situation
. I just felt I had no other choice, I needed to get it off my chest because the stress I have been dealing with over the
last couple months, about the car, you, work etc and really been effecting me. Its not work that has made me lose all that
weight, its been making me unable to eat anything because my stomach is in constant knots. The smoking 2 to 5 packs of smokes a day doesnt help either. I really hope we can get together and talk sometime, when you are ready. I am just worried now that our
friendship has been irreversibly damaged by what I did Thursday by talking to Joe and this letter, I hope thats not the case
but I did state in my LJ post that I would be more assertive and speak up and say what I feel. Perhaps I pushed it a bit far
you must understand, I am new to not being a cowardly pu**y who cant say anything. Life is a game of chance and sometimes you
must take the risk. I hope I didn't bet it all and lose.

I trust you and your decisions and will back you up on them and I will be around when or if you need me.

Take care and thank you for being an outstanding friend,

Jason
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on September 17, 2004, 12:26:17 pm
That's a pretty deep letter EE. Although this line:

One was anger, anger at Joe for moving in so fast like a vulture on a carcass.

Might want to edit it so you don't sound like your comparing her to a carcass.  ;)

Anyway, I wish you all the luck in the world. These situations are always hardcore.  :(
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Hstaphath_XC on September 18, 2004, 10:35:39 pm
Just saw a quick note from EE saying that he had a 1 on 1 (I'm pretty sure this was in regards to Sally) and that it had gone pretty well, what's the details bro?

Also, can't wait to hear what the fallout from speaking your mind at your job turns out to be.

You will either be promoted or fired.  Probably fired.  :-\
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 20, 2004, 05:54:22 am
Well, this weekend was an interesting one.

Friday:

Got 2 1/2 hours broken sleep on this day, only 2 hours sleep the day before, also broken and 4 the day before that

Had my 'talk' with player, as stated before. Then it was off to work, where a box fell off a forklift and hit me in my sore leg, which apparently caused all my hair to stand on end, so a coworker says and then I wheeled around and put my fist into a box of Genpak 10500's. Pretty much, a case of those styrofoam containers they put your asian food in. luckly no supervisors were around to see it otherwise I would have gotten into trouble. Leg is kinda sore still and slightly bruised again but it is fine. it hit me right in a area that still has some fluid trapped from the initial injury 3 weeks ago.

I also text messaged Sally on Friday and told her we needed to talk on Sunday, she replied with "I might be able to, might have to get the truck smogged on sunday"

Saturday:

Puked at 12:30am after eatting 4 chicken McNuggets, have not eatten in 3 days at that point, weighed myself before I left work at 8am and found out I have lost almost 6 pounds since last saturday. End up at Jazz and Java after a quick run home to shower and find my roomie and my friend from Hollywood giggling over my roomies new computer. I decide sleep is not an option and of course, as mentioned before, head off to Jazz. I kick it there from 8:30am until 1:30pm waiting for Player to come out, so I can say sorry for blowing up at him and to explain to him what I really meant. He said he understood and it was cool and he thanked me for the apology. I end up leaving Jazz at 1:30pm for a 2 hour nap and kick it there until 10pm, I then go home and go to sleep.

Sunday: I wake up at 1pm, after a 15 hour crash session. Still have yet to eat. I wake up, shower and head off to Jazz where I find Sally and Joe. I kinda ignore the fact they are there to give them their space. I relise my cell did not charge so I ask one of the workers if I can charge my phone and they say yes, as I leave the inside of the coffee shop, Sally calls out my name so now I cant ignore the situation. She gets up and gives me a hug and I shake Joe's ( player ) hand. I talk with them for a moment and then tell them I will let them go so they can finish whatever they are up to.

After that she comes over to the table I am at. She gives me another hug and sits down, we talk for a bit about random nonsense, which we enjoy doing. With other people at the table, we could not really talk. As she gets up to get some coffee I bring up that I want to talk to her about some stuff and she said she wants to talk too, she asks if I want to do it now and I tell her, it can wait a bit longer, get your coffee and lets relax. We sit there with some of our friends and kick it for a bit.

After about 45 minutes we decide its time to talk. We leave the table to go down to the other end of the old redlands train station, where the coffee shop is located. During our walk to the other side, I tell her that I think I F'd up major, that I had a 'talk' with Joe. She says she knows. He told her. She also said that Joe said that it appeared I cared for her a lot and that she has a great friend in me and she said that she agree'd and told him that I have always been around for her when she needed me. I also mentioned that I did call him and say sorry and she said that she knew that too, she was there when I called him. She said that he thought it was very cool that I would call and say sorry and she said, "it sounds like something he would do".

We sit down and talk, I tell her I am sorry for betraying her trust and that I felt bad for going behind her back and having my talk with joe and she said she was glad that someone cared enough for her to do something like that. She said she understood where I was coming from on that and then I went on to describe the things I saw. Things like, how the second she broke up and everyone including Joe started coming around and how that upset me and how I thought half the people were too old for that and I did not want her to be taken advantage of.

We then talked about our friendship and how its been strained for the last few months. I told her about my stress and how being in the middle of the whole situation has really drained me and though I wanted to help, I did not want to appear as 'the bad guy'. I also told her that she is an adult and that I would back her up on any desisions she makes. I would voice my worries about something but leave it up to her to decide. I also told her that I was very thankful for what she did for me 6 months ago by helping me get a job with her dad and that there was no way I could repay that except with my friendship and protection and then joked, not over-protection.

Several times she gave me hugs through the conversation, again, one of them for at least 2 minutes and one for about a minute.

We then talk about some other things which I have forgotten, I kinda started to repeat myself because I was nervous and could not remember everything i wanted to talk about. I did tell her I had wrote her a letter incase she could not talk to me and told her I would send it to her if she wanted because it goes a bit more indepth of what I am thinking and how I wish I had it on me to help me remember what I wanted to talk about.

I also told her about my worries about joe and his drinking and how at the party I went to with her, I stopped drinking so that I could make sure she got home safe and she said she noticed and thanked me for that. We talked a bit more about the whole joe thing and she said that she is not after a serious relationship with Joe, they are just friends and seeing if anything else blooms or not but she also relises that joe is set in his career and doesnt know if it would work anyways

Since she was supposed to go to BEST BUY with one of her friends, I cut the conversation short. She gave me another hug and then said, "You know I love you right?" and all I could say was "yeah". She then gave me another hug, one of those side by side kind.

Anyways, she is still my best friend and she was never upset with me. Everything worked out well, which is good. I am going to be sending her the letter I wrote but with a few minor modifications ( not deleting anything, just a slight retooling and rewording ). Lets see how that goes.

I feel great right now, just wish I could have talked with her a little longer and a little more in depth, would have been nice to spend some more time with her. At least I got my friend back, the one I never lost.

P.S. I will post the rewording of the mail. Going to work on that now
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 20, 2004, 06:18:04 am
The new revised letter that has been send to Sally

"Dear Sally,

First off, I wanted to let you know that I had a little talk with Joe. I wanted to let you know because I did not want to go
behind your back and talk with him but you could not find the time to talk with me so that I could tell you the things I am
worried about with the whole situation. Pretty much, this is what I told joe, so you hear it from my mouth...I mean fingers.

I told him that you are one of my best friends and that I don't want to see you get hurt. I also told him that hurting you is
going to hurt him. I told him that if he plays you, he will be played (thats the nice way of putting it). I told him that
after what happened with my sister, her being raped, something that I could have stopped, I will not allow a friend of mine
to be taken advantage of. I also told him that I was worried about how fast this is occurring. I know I am different
then others and that you are different then me but I told him that I felt this was just a tad too early and that it worries
me that he is moving in way too fast and not giving you enough time to heal. And thats how I honestly feel.

As for the text message you received from me about wanting to talk, well, this is one of the things i wanted to talk to you
about. Another is about what happened at Jazz. When you told me, I was shocked, by many things. First off, I was shocked that
what I had thought was going on was indeed going on. I was also shocked by some of the feelings that over came me at this
news, some things that, well, I did not expect to happen. One was anger, anger at Joe for moving in so fast. The second was a
hurt that I had not felt in a very long time, at least 5 years. It struck me as odd and it really confused me. When we first
met, you were rather flirty with me, something I had not had happen in a long time, since Kim (1999). That kind of confused
me because at the time, I thought you had a boyfriend but was not totally sure as to seriousness of it. Then we became
friends and I decided to suppress those idea's/feelings because it would not be proper or right. Plus, I did not want to ruin
our relationship as friends. It was apparent, after much thinking at work that what I have been looking for in a person and
friend was right under my nose but the friendship means much more to me then anything else and I did not want to risk ruining
that. Hopefully I have not.

Our friendship was really good for quite some time, we kept in touch on a regular basis and honestly, it was the best time I
have had in a long time. One of the things that really stood out to me about our friendship was the fact that you would text
me with random text messages saying, " Have a great day" etc. I have not had anyone do that kind of thing in a long time and
It really rocked to have someone care how my day went. It was the little things about our friendship that I really hold onto.

As of late though, things got bad between you and peter. As I stated before, I wanted to kick his ass for hurting my friend
but I knew it was not my place. The most I could do was sit back and watch because there was nothing I could do, you had to
do it. I wanted to give you advice but I also didn't because I was afraid you would get the wrong idea when I was just trying
to help, Though it pained me to see Peter constantly hurting you.

I tried many times to get together to talk to you, so I could express the things going on in my head, so I could relive some
stress and worry about how you were doing. I really wish we would have had more time to talk at Jazz before Wonderland and I
had seriously contiplated calling off work so I could spend some time with one of the best people I know. You are everything
I have ever wanted in a friend and losing your friendship would hurt, a lot. You have an awesome personality, your caring,
giving and have a bomb sense of humor. Don't let anyone tell you any different. You have also always managed to put a smile
on my face, no matter my mood. You just have that ability to cheer people up and that just stands out in my eyes.

Hopefully, you know where I am coming from. Again, its hard to do this in text because you cant hear tone of voice etc so I
hope you dont take it the wrong way. I am not good at these things, like feelings,expressing myself and writting isn't my
best skill. All I want you to know is I will be here when you are ready to talk to me. If you choose not to, I understand. If
this makes you feel awkward and you dont want to kick it with me I also understand, it makes me feel awkward to write this
and know you are going to read it because I have never opened up to someone like this before, well, someone I knew. Complete
strangers are different, you wont run into them face to face.

My goal in all of this is to make sure that one of my best friends is happy and gets everything she deserves and doesnt have
to go through the pain and stress that you have gone through over the last few months. I just want to make sure that you are
happy and I want you to know, as your friend, I will be there for you anytime you need me. Even if you choose to cancel the
subscription to our friendship, I will still be there for you, because what you did for me, helping me get a job with your
dad and helping me get my life straight, is something I cannot repay. You saved me from, homelessness and possibly worse. I
cant repay that with anything else but friendship and protection.

I am sorry for going behind your back and talking with Joe. I just wanted Joe to understand my point of view on the situation
. I just felt I had no other choice, I needed to get it off my chest because the stress I have been dealing with over the
last couple months, about the car, you, work etc and really been effecting me. Its not work that has made me lose all that
weight, its been making me unable to eat anything because my stomach is in constant knots. The smoking 2 to 5 packs of smokes
a day doesnt help either. I really hope we can get together and talk sometime, when you are ready. I am just worried now that
our friendship has been irreversibly damaged by what I did Thursday by talking to Joe and this letter, I hope thats not the
case but I did state in my LJ post that I would be more assertive and speak up and say what I feel. Perhaps I pushed it a bit
far. You must understand, I am new to not being a cowardly pu**y who cant say anything. Life is a game of chance and
sometimes you must take the risk. I hope I didn't bet it all and lose.

You are an Adult, I trust you and your decisions and will back you up on them and I will be around when or if you need me.

Take care and thank you for being an outstanding friend,

Jason

P.S.

Well, we have had our talk. As you can see, I did not really get into much of what I wanted to say, I kinda of started
repeating myself and going in circles because I lost my track of thought, mainly because I was so damned nervous. Hopefully
this letter lets you better understand me and where I was going with sundays talk. I hope this letter does not freak you out.
I am just telling the truth and I hope you can accept it.

Thanks again for giving me time to talk to you, I hope this( talking and letter ) strengthened our friendship and didnt
damage it. I would like to hear your point of view so when you get time, send me a response.

take care."

Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 20, 2004, 09:04:58 am
I mean no offense EE, but you are extremely pensive with this girl.  It might be the stress, or the lack ofsleep, or any number of things, but perhaps you should explore that pensiveness.
Just a thought.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on September 20, 2004, 12:17:55 pm
OK, don't get too excitied EE but maybe she thinks your the person she would have a long-term relationship, however, right now she doesn't want a long-term relationship, (for whatever reason). If she just want's something casual then wouldn't it be better she had a casual relationship with the Player rather than you?

Just a possibility. Maybe something for the future, maybe not.  :)
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 20, 2004, 03:27:05 pm
I mean no offense EE, but you are extremely pensive with this girl.  It might be the stress, or the lack ofsleep, or any number of things, but perhaps you should explore that pensiveness.
Just a thought.

and what makes you think I am Pensive? I just looked up what the word meant.

As of now, no response to my email.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Musashi NCC-BR549 on September 20, 2004, 03:55:22 pm
I just read the last page of this thread and I have a question.   This "Peter" that you mentioned ..... is this a person?

Aw, nevermind, I'll go back and read it from the beginning.


[j/k ... Good luck, EE.    I hope it all works out, amigo.  ]
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 20, 2004, 03:57:07 pm
Peter is her ex boyfriend of 2 1/2 years. Player aka Joe is someone she has known for 4 years and is a friend of hers.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 20, 2004, 04:07:00 pm
well, I am going to go hit the coffee shop, maybe she will head by and I can see how she will react to my letter or maybe she wont head by and I will have a reply waiting for me. I need to get out of the house. Unfortunatly I woke up at 1pm which means I have about 5 1/2 hours to wait until work and a 14 hour day ahead of me. I wont be texting her at all I am going to let her respond when she is ready. Hopefully the letter, which now that I think about it, could have had a few more things added to make myself a little more clear, didnt scare her away. As you can tell, she is a really understanding person, much like myself so I am not too worried but that thought does linger in the back of my head.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 20, 2004, 05:02:44 pm
I mean no offense EE, but you are extremely pensive with this girl.  It might be the stress, or the lack ofsleep, or any number of things, but perhaps you should explore that pensiveness.
Just a thought.

and what makes you think I am Pensive? I just looked up what the word meant.

As of now, no response to my email.

You seem to almost be walking on eggshells with her, that's what I meant, almost over thinking things.  I'm not trying to say anything to the effect of stopping that type of sensitivity, just that this email is pretty clear about how you feel about her, even though you didn't come out and actually say it.  It's very clear that you place an extremely high amount of value on how she feels and thinks- more so than even a "good" friend normally has. 
The pensive part most comes in where you seem to be moving towards an almost being bold and forward but then back off in order to try to spare any awkwardness or hurt feelings.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 21, 2004, 08:50:36 am
I mean no offense EE, but you are extremely pensive with this girl.  It might be the stress, or the lack ofsleep, or any number of things, but perhaps you should explore that pensiveness.
Just a thought.

and what makes you think I am Pensive? I just looked up what the word meant.

As of now, no response to my email.

You seem to almost be walking on eggshells with her, that's what I meant, almost over thinking things.  I'm not trying to say anything to the effect of stopping that type of sensitivity, just that this email is pretty clear about how you feel about her, even though you didn't come out and actually say it.  It's very clear that you place an extremely high amount of value on how she feels and thinks- more so than even a "good" friend normally has. 
The pensive part most comes in where you seem to be moving towards an almost being bold and forward but then back off in order to try to spare any awkwardness or hurt feelings.


I fully admit I over think things. I even told her that in person. In a way I am walking on egg shells with her, I dont think she expected some of the things in the letter but after the letter I think she also understands a few placed comments much better, much like the one I made at the party, " I have trouble telling people I dont like in that way, that I dont like them... I even have more trouble telling someone I like that I like them ".

My friend, Tyrelco ( www.livejournal.com ) talked to her today. I left Jazz at 7:10pm and she showed up from dinner with Joe right as I left. He mentioned to her that I was a bit nervous about the letter I sent, that she might take it the wrong way and she said that she didnt get the wrong message from it or something like that, pretty much he said she said she took it the only way it sounded like. The thing that sucks is that she has yet to respond to the Email so... I dont know. I dont know how it will be tomorrow if I see her, will it be awkward for just me, or both of us? Will things be the same? Doubtful. But from what Tyrelco said, she seemed in good spirits and did not seem upset or angry at all from the letter so who knows.

I wanted to be more forward then I was but I figured I laid out the hints several times and if she cannot see it then its for the best. If she does and responds in a good way then its a plus for me, if she responds in a neutral way then we are still friends but if she responds in a negitive way, then I bet it all and lost. I hope this is not the case but I fear it could be because she has yet to respond.

Hopefully tomorrow gives more insight to her feelings. Perhaps she is having trouble herself, then again, I could be over thinking it too much yet again and will end it here. Tomorrow will hopefully cough up some answers.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 21, 2004, 01:19:28 pm
I know this type of thinking- I've had it msot of my life, and am now only beginnign to change. 
To be honest, I'm not sure if you're doing the right thing (to be read as: I'm not sure).  A few years ago I met a girl that made my head spin everytime I looked at her, and ever since that moment I haven't been able to stop thinking of her.  I acted, plunged in head first knowing full well the risks, but I did it anyway knowing I'd never find another chance like it.
All went well, although there were some ups and downs until a little under two years together in a long distance relationship.  But man, when things were good they were better than I had ever hoped or imiagined.  I won't go into details, but basically she went out of her way to ruin any trust and faith I had, then told me to never speak to her again. 
A year and a half later I have honored what she wanted to the letter, and still can't stop thinking of her.  Not just the passing thoughts of infatuation, mind you.  I mean I wake up in the morning thinking about her, go through my whole day trying to keep busy because everything reminds me of her, go to bed thinking of her, dream of her all night and wake up to start the whole thing over again.  The only difference now is those thoughts only bring me misery.
Staying friends like you are might be the right course of action, I just don't know.  Just keep in mind that the cat seems to have been let out of the bag, whether she ignores it or not.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 21, 2004, 04:09:19 pm
and currently, its still being ignored. Still no reply.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 22, 2004, 07:29:41 am
Update:

Went to Jazz today and kicked it, like usual. around 6:30pm, while I am lounging in a chair, I decide to crack my neck, while doing so, I see Sally pull up. I act like I did not notice and go back to lounging, withmy eyes closed. She walks right by me and goes and sits with Joe. I figured at that point, well.. I got my anwser but we will see. I continue to lounge and then a friend asks for a ride home so I give him one. After dropping him off at home, I go back to Jazz and see Sally and Joe walking away from Jazz, I then think, yup... I got my answer.

After sitting in the chair for a couple minutes, Sally comes up and says hi, gives me a big hug and scratched the back of my head ( its shaved ), she says she did not want to disturb me since it had looked like I was asleep. She says a few other things and then goes and sits with her future roomie, Chelse.

I send Sally a text Message that say something like, " So is everything good? I was a bit worried that I messed stuff up again shortly after fixing it. Well, I texted so that I would not interupt you and chels. Any chance of a reply to my letter?".

She sends me a reply, " Yes everything is good... So no more sillyness :) I love you boy... Thanks for your friendship "

That made me feel good, that I still did not mess anything up. I went to text her back and she said, " Hey, no need to text, I am right here. " but then my alarm on my cell went off which meant, time to leave for work, of course, right after we get ready to start talking. We talk a bit, really short stuff, like hope you have a good day at work etc and then I leave.

I ended up texting her back, " I love you too, you are one of my best friends and one of the most important friends I have, I am glad my sillyness didnt screw anything up. have fun tonight with Chels, Ill talk to you later."

I didnt get a reply but I did not expect one. Today went well, 3 good days in a row, cant believe it after the nasty run of days I have had recently.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 23, 2004, 07:11:38 am
Didnt get to see her today to see how the text message was taken. From what I hear, she was not herself at Jazz today. I am thinking about taking tomorrow off work, even though I know I should not, so I can hang out with her. yeah, the $130 lost will hurt but hell, I need a bit of a break. I guess it depends on how I feel tomorrow and how tomorrow goes, if she shows etc.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 24, 2004, 03:22:07 am
Well, I decided to say " Screw my job " today. Tomorrow I am going in and quitting. Ill find something new.

Other then that, been sick since lastnight, which is part of the reason I am quitting. They were giving me crap because I called in today and hung up on me, I dont need that crap. Not now and not from them. I also sent Sally a Email tonight seeing if she wants to get together for lunch tomorrow, since I am going to be out job hunting. Might not work out but isnt a big deal, the offer is out there.

All is still good.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 24, 2004, 10:08:58 am
Dude, take my advice: find another job THEN quit the one you have.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 24, 2004, 05:59:39 pm
Looks like I might have a new job on Monday, not starting but filling out the app and taking the drug test. a friend of mine says she knows a place hiring and that they need people and she knows a lot of the people that work there so she said she would get me the info on monday. Since I need new tires, oil change and pretty much a tune up, i am going to give my 2 weeks today. I will go to work today and see if they fire me, if they do, oh well, could care less, otherwise it looks like its a Nitro to go day.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 25, 2004, 02:51:29 am
Well. Saw Sally today, things are good. even after the text message, came up and gave me a hug and rubbed my back for a bit. She was not too happy I lost my job but she understood, which is good. Unfortunatly, Joe was there and well, I could barely handle the cutsy play crap they were doing. Made me quite angry but I think I covered it up pretty well. I was chain smoking. I dont know if I can handle too much more of that crap. I dont want to see it. I would rather recieve it heh. I am used to that pain though, it hurts less each time. Damn I did not want it to come to that but oh well, I thought I could control myself better, guess I am human after all.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on September 25, 2004, 04:03:10 am
You know EE, your current situation is similar to something that I went through a couple years back.

I met this girl a few years ago who had just gotten out of a long term relationship.  We were at the club one night with our mutual friends, and though we didn't know each other, we were hanging out together all night.  She was interested in getting on the go, as was I, but she stopped it because she was only recently out of a relationship.  I was fine with that, but I made it clear I was interested in her.

Anyway, we became really good friends, to the point where we hung out together every day.  As far as I could see, everything just worked, even though she knew I wanted to be with her.  Unfortunately things didn't turn out as planned.  A few months later she hooked up with one of the most disgusting playa's I know.  I warned her about what he was like, and though she agreed with me she was still with him.  Not going in to details, but she learned her lesson in the end.

We're still really good friends, and she's one of two girls that I could see having something long term with.  Even so, we're off on different paths at the moment, so that will be an unlikely occurance.  Plus, she's with a really stand up type of guy now who treats her like gold...as he should.

In any case, somewhat similar to your situation.  If you can't be the number one, at least be the person she relies and leans on.  Get used to seeing her with other men, because even though it isn't easy to take at the start, it's worth it because of the friendship you keep.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 25, 2004, 04:26:03 am
You know EE, your current situation is similar to something that I went through a couple years back.

I met this girl a few years ago who had just gotten out of a long term relationship.  We were at the club one night with our mutual friends, and though we didn't know each other, we were hanging out together all night.  She was interested in getting on the go, as was I, but she stopped it because she was only recently out of a relationship.  I was fine with that, but I made it clear I was interested in her.

Anyway, we became really good friends, to the point where we hung out together every day.  As far as I could see, everything just worked, even though she knew I wanted to be with her.  Unfortunately things didn't turn out as planned.  A few months later she hooked up with one of the most disgusting playa's I know.  I warned her about what he was like, and though she agreed with me she was still with him.  Not going in to details, but she learned her lesson in the end.

We're still really good friends, and she's one of two girls that I could see having something long term with.  Even so, we're off on different paths at the moment, so that will be an unlikely occurance.  Plus, she's with a really stand up type of guy now who treats her like gold...as he should.

In any case, somewhat similar to your situation.  If you can't be the number one, at least be the person she relies and leans on.  Get used to seeing her with other men, because even though it isn't easy to take at the start, it's worth it because of the friendship you keep.

I know. I am trying to be cool about it but its hard. This guy is not the one for her. I know this and I have no doubts. People who know him say this, people who are friends with him say this and yet I must watch this go on. I will continue being her friend, I will do what I can to keep her safe but she must learn this lesson on her own now. I voiced my fears to her, I told her what I thought about this decision and she is an adult and I will be there if and when she needs me. I just didnt think I would take it as I did, it hurt to watch that, something I did not fully expect. I swore I would not put myself into this situation again and I have and I am a bit pissed off about it. But, I must learn from my mistakes as well.

get kicked enough times and you become numb, over time, the contant kicks to my chest will numb. hopefully soon.

The only good thing that really happened tonight between them is there were a few things he did and said where she gave me this look like, wtf? If I were thinking into it, which I am, she was kinda giving me the look like, what do you think but if I were not thinking into it, which I am not, I dont know what the look meant.

At least things are cool between us and thats what matters most. I do have my friend back, though I get nervous around her now and have a bit of anxiety and awkwardness when they are together. I know I cant hide the look on my face 100 percent, that kinda bothers me.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 25, 2004, 05:41:46 am
Let me rephrase something. I kinda said this wrong.

"This guy is not the one for her. I know this and I have no doubts. People who know him say this, people who are friends with him say this"

I really dont know how to put it without it sounding wrong. noting its kinda late at night. Some of the people I know, some that I have talked to who know Joe better then me say that his past two relationships ended bad. I dont know joe but I do know one of his ex girlfriends and well, I do know it ended bad.

anyways, I would like to rephrase it but I do not have the ability to do so at this point and time, maybe I can in the morning. going to be waking early and doing car stuff and then hitting the coffee shop. Maybe I will have some alone time with Sally, without Joe there to anger me. somehow I doubt it.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on September 25, 2004, 07:34:14 am
In a situation like this you can never really keep that look off your face.  When I was around Justin and Di, it was pretty obvious that I wasn't happy, though I attempted to remain civil.  Luckily Di knew how I felt and wasn't pissed at me, nor thought any less of me.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 25, 2004, 10:40:40 am
Hopefully she thinks no less of me as well. I attempt to be as civil as possible, even shaking the guys hand, something I dont do with many people. Whats hard is not making comments, rude ones.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on September 25, 2004, 12:17:00 pm
Well, if she has any inkling of what your feelings are she will understand any discomfert you amy feel.  By being civil and courteous you are showing that you are the better man.  But that's just my opinion...
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 25, 2004, 02:01:34 pm
Well, in a way I hope she doesnt know my feelings because the whole cutesy thing really bothered me a lot lastnight. If she does know and did that then well, she was doing it on purpose...perhaps to see how I would react. Who knows. Well, its time for some lunch and heading back to Jazz for the entire night. What a boring existance I lead heh.

Lets just say today could be very uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 25, 2004, 08:08:13 pm
Well, what an interesting turn of events. I head off to Jazz to kick it but since the only person I cared to talk to there was leaving, I left to go take a nap. I get a call about 3:45pm and its Joe. His car broke down at the coffee shop and he called me to help him. As much as I did not want to, I did and for free, even though I am out of work. I got it running so he could make his show in palm springs and of course, Sally is going with him and well, that sucks for me.

Oh well, everyone is gone this weekend and tonight. Either in Palm Springs for that faggity emo band joe plays in or in vegas for a friends wedding. I am at home, bored.

Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on September 26, 2004, 05:00:52 am
I think she probably has some idea how you feel, though maybe not the extent of it.  The fact is she isn't going to guard her actions around you, that would just make all such situations uncomfertable.

It so quiet here this weekend, I feel your pain EE.  The majority of our group are gone to Dublin for the weekend, and there is only about ten of us left here.  We hit a club in Harlow Town last night to do a bit of dancing, and it felt like we stepped into the twilight zone.  The place was full of skanks, and there was more skin showing than clothing...one girl up on stage was not wearing anything under her skirt, and she wasn't trying to hide anything.  That was strange enough but when they started doing performances up on stage, like some ridiculous Christmas one, I knew I wasn't in a Canadian club.  Stuff like that just doesn't happen at home...I can't wait to hit a rave in London next week.

The UK is interesting...
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on September 26, 2004, 05:47:36 am
Eeew, I've never been to a club like that before. I think they can only exist in the shallows of London.  :P

EE, you deserve good Karma for fixing that guys car even though you hate him! Now that is an unselfish act.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on September 26, 2004, 11:51:22 am
Redshift,

We went to some place calle Jumpin Jaks in Harlow Town, and I think it's some kind of chain or something.  Anyway, I a friend took some pictures last night and I put them up in an album.

http://community.webshots.com/user/oldmanken

There is a picture of that girl in there.  She was super hot, but to bad she was a complete skank...pity.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 26, 2004, 06:27:17 pm
Well, i saw Sally again for a few minutes. I was at Jazz, kicking it and no one was around, so I decided to text her. I said, "Well, if you are not busy and are bored, I am at Jazz. Nobody is here." A few minutes after sending the text, Sally shows up, which means she was already on her way. I look at my cell and see that its nearly 3pm, which means Joe is getting off work soon. Sure enough, a few minutes after she shows, joe is off work. I had no time what so ever to kick it with her. Of course, I go from being happy to agro really fast. I am trying SO DAMNED HARD not to but I cant help it. She did thank me for helping joe out last night with his car. She said I was the first person she thought of that could help, which makes me feel good but damnit, I could help in other situations as well, besides just cars, if you see where I am headed heh.

Well, she left and I am back at home, I am just going to stay here tonight. She is off to a friends wedding with joe, I have no reason to be anywhere else then at home. I am going to use some of my Gemini skills and try to convince myself of other things. I cant take this BS.

 I really should not have ever let her in. I should never have sent that letter, I should have never let down the force field because the last time I did I got hurt and again this time. I refuse to make the same mistake again. Well, if my current run goes as it has, wont happen again for another 4 or 5 years like its been since I was 16.

I did send her a text saying if she doesnt get back too late and has time to catch me on AIM and I am going to tell her the same thing that I posted here. I cant do this, I cant see it and I cant be a part of it. I need me some time and am still willing to be her friend but I need to deal with this first, if I can.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 26, 2004, 06:31:36 pm
Update, she just logged on but instantly went to 'away' mode, invited her to chat but she has yet to accept. Ill modify this post with what is said and how it goes.

(Update) 4:32

Just signed off.

(Update) 4:47pm

Logged back on and logged back off again
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 26, 2004, 08:18:56 pm
Seriously man, you are obsessed- when you have an opportunity, just go for it. ;)
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 26, 2004, 08:27:19 pm
I dont have a chance at all man. Everytime I see her its always with him and I dont want to jump in the middle of them. That would be the wrong thing to do. I just reallly wish I would have never said anything and just kept it to myself, though I would still be in a bad position I would not be in the position of allowing someone to use knowledge against me which she could full well do if she chooses. She sint the type to do so but still, it could be done. I gave her the advantage, she knows almost all and in return I recieved nothing and I dont know her position on the letter I sent her. I have no insite on to her feelings. all I do know is she is still friends with me but beyond that I dont know anything and I really wish I knew how she really felt. I need to know. If I knew I did not have a chance ever with her instead of being friends, it would help a lot. problem is, I dont know.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 26, 2004, 09:22:11 pm
Eeew, I've never been to a club like that before. I think they can only exist in the shallows of London.  :P

EE, you deserve good Karma for fixing that guys car even though you hate him! Now that is an unselfish act.

I dont hate him. I just dislike him and am slightly jealous.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 26, 2004, 09:45:21 pm
tha'ts OK, there's plenty of hate for the dude in here in your stead.   ;D
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 26, 2004, 11:28:09 pm
We need less hate. If he is who she wants to be with then well, I am happy for her. I am not going to hate on him and I will treat him with as much respect as I possibly can. Its going to be tough right now because I am still angry from earlier but Ill do my best. As long as she is still my friend, I am cool.

I am not going to ask her anything more, I am just going to let things go the way it goes. I dont want to pressure her anymore then I already have. Ill let her contact me when she is ready.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on September 27, 2004, 12:17:04 pm
We need less hate. If he is who she wants to be with then well, I am happy for her. I am not going to hate on him and I will treat him with as much respect as I possibly can. Its going to be tough right now because I am still angry from earlier but Ill do my best. As long as she is still my friend, I am cool.

I am not going to ask her anything more, I am just going to let things go the way it goes. I dont want to pressure her anymore then I already have. Ill let her contact me when she is ready.

Wise words EE.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on September 27, 2004, 12:24:50 pm
Redshift,

We went to some place calle Jumpin Jaks in Harlow Town, and I think it's some kind of chain or something.  Anyway, I a friend took some pictures last night and I put them up in an album.

[url]http://community.webshots.com/user/oldmanken[/url]

There is a picture of that girl in there.  She was super hot, but to bad she was a complete skank...pity.


Lol, excellent pictures Ken, hope you had a great time. I agree with you, the lady has a degree of skank about her but I know a lot of friends who would disagree.  :-\ I've vaugely heard of Jumpin' Jacks but I'm not sure if I've ever been to any of them.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on September 27, 2004, 01:25:49 pm
Yeah, the pictures turned out really well...obviously I wasn't the one taking them. :)

I didn't even realize it was a chain of bars until I checked the website the day after.  It also explained the live entertainment stuff they had...which was sh*t but understandable.

Hey RS, have you heard of a club called Fabric in London?  My friend from Vienna decided to come up for the weekend, and as its her birthday I thought we'd go clubbing in style.  I've heard good things about this place, and though it's 15 pounds to get in, I thought we'd check it out.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 27, 2004, 02:26:08 pm
We need less hate. If he is who she wants to be with then well, I am happy for her. I am not going to hate on him and I will treat him with as much respect as I possibly can. Its going to be tough right now because I am still angry from earlier but Ill do my best. As long as she is still my friend, I am cool.

I am not going to ask her anything more, I am just going to let things go the way it goes. I dont want to pressure her anymore then I already have. Ill let her contact me when she is ready.

Wise words EE.

going to be hard to do but I will do my best.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Jack Morris on September 27, 2004, 02:27:28 pm
I can attest to what Redshift said EE, sleep depro is hades on earth. Also DO NOT use alcohol or mother's little helper for sleep aid even though it's tempting. It will be one of the worst monkeys on your back.

Take it from us, life can and will get better.

To everyone else, I thought I was bad about getting some loving, some of you got me beat, hehehehe.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 27, 2004, 02:40:54 pm
I dont drink, well... not often. I drink only a couple times a year and never more then a couple beers or shots. I stay as far away from alcohol as I can. As for mothers little helper, I dont know what that is. Is that a rolling pin upside the head?

Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Jack Morris on September 27, 2004, 02:45:43 pm
Ativan, Lorazepam, and Librium, they are Benzodiazepines to help alcoholics stay calm while they go through withdrawals. VA uses it for anxiety attacks and nervous disorders too. In other words they are like Valium and in the same class of drugs. Very addictive and deadly over time, hence the song by the Stones "Mother's little helper."
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Jack Morris on September 27, 2004, 02:49:11 pm
http://www.keno.org/stones_lyrics/mothers_little_helper.htm
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 27, 2004, 02:51:05 pm
Ahh, well the only thing I do drug wise is MDMA but that is just as frequent as alcohol, once or twice a year. I am not to terribly worried. Yeah it sucks, yeah it sucks that this happened, yeah it sucks I opened up like a fool but you know what, it happens, I did it and I have to deal with it now. Sh*t between us just wont be the same anymore and I have a feeling that she is going to pull back quite a bit. We will see how it goes.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Jack Morris on September 27, 2004, 02:55:06 pm
I know it hurts, but believe me there are a LOT of good women out there. I do hope you can work it out with her though as I know ur having a rough time now.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 27, 2004, 03:05:50 pm
It does. it sucks.

can you give me the X,Y,Z of these women? I have yet to find them. I find them once every 4 or 5 years. I am not the typical man who goes, "OOooo she has a purdy mouth" I need more then that. I am one picky son of a bitch. Hell, even Sally aint perfect, I think her rack is a little too big for her size, I am not the biggest fan of tattoo's and she could use a bit more ass but personallity wise, she is almost perfect. Well, I am off to a late day of job hunting. Be back later.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Jack Morris on September 27, 2004, 03:17:28 pm
My ex from Nicaragua is a great woman, and she stood by me through my addictions and fears. I thought I would never find someone like that again as some on the forums have experienced living with a lush and they can tell you it's hades on earth, but I met Vicky 2 years ago, and she has really come through for me, plus some of the docs in her family. I know that you do not have that problem, but we all have different problems to deal with in our lives.

I have found strength and better relations by being open and honest. They are out there, believe me.

Feel free to pm Leda and see her profile and talk to her, she is a smart girl. Her nick in yahoo messenger is chicanica1, and her e-mail in hotmail es chicanica1@hotmail.com. Sometimes it's good just to have a woman just to talk to and start a friendship.

Besides all that though, you people have been one of my greatest sources of strength in working on my problems.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Jack Morris on September 27, 2004, 03:24:37 pm
She wants know your nick, so feel free to talk to her if you want a new friend.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 27, 2004, 04:46:07 pm
I think her rack is a little too big for her size,

Now this, my friend is unacceptable.  This is blasphamy.  You take it back right now. >:(
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 27, 2004, 04:53:33 pm
She wants know your nick, so feel free to talk to her if you want a new friend.

maybe getting a female perspective will help out. I have added her using trillian.

Yahoo has been added, Name is MCFlacid
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 27, 2004, 04:54:37 pm
I think her rack is a little too big for her size,

Now this, my friend is unacceptable.  This is blasphamy.  You take it back right now. >:(

what can I say? I dont like big racks. I like proportion.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Jack Morris on September 27, 2004, 05:03:35 pm
You guys are too funny, hehehehehe.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Just plain old Punisher on September 27, 2004, 06:14:18 pm
You over analyise a problem EE. You seem to sit down and get caught up in an endless loop of possible solutions to your problem, and in the end you seem to arrive right back where you started.

What you need to do is simple. Either get over this girl and move on...or make a move on her. Because this is getting to the point of boarderline obsession.

Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 27, 2004, 06:15:19 pm
what i need is something to keep my mind busy. A game or something.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 27, 2004, 07:14:48 pm
I think her rack is a little too big for her size,

Now this, my friend is unacceptable.  This is blasphamy.  You take it back right now. >:(

what can I say? I dont like big racks. I like proportion.

You're ideas of proportion are off kilter.  you need to readjust them.  NOW TAKE IT BACK!!!
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Jack Morris on September 27, 2004, 07:51:29 pm
A harsh but good point Pun, I myself am having to make hard decisions but it's something I must do.

I prefer EE meets a nice woman THEN get a good game. Leda had no problems with me being nutter on EAW, it kept me at home and out of trouble. So, I had a nice girl, a good game, and all you peeps to talk to.  :)
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Dash Jones on September 27, 2004, 09:55:45 pm
what i need is something to keep my mind busy. A game or something.


Get Doom 3.

Or go to fileplanet and download all their full games that are time trialed, and download all their free demos that you haven't tried yet....that should give you at least 24 hours worth of gaming...
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 28, 2004, 04:25:23 am
Today did not go to bad. Got to kick it with Sally for about 2 hours without joe being there, got to catch up on some stuff which was really nice. We both had a really good time I think. She proceeded to find my weakpoint, that I embrase easy. I dont think I have turned that red in a LONG time. Only one other person has that power over me and well, I have not seen her since I was about 18 years old. It was a nice change of pace and really helped out with some of the stress over this whole thing. Also, she was wearing glasses which were OMFG sexy. OMFG!! I keep telling her she nees to wear her glasses more and others told her that they looked really good so hey, I got some backing on it hehe.

Around 10pm joe showed up, which kinda made me nervous. The thing that really set me off was the tea I had. My stomach and tea dont mix well. I have to condition my stomach to drinking tea otherwise it goes crazy. Well, I decided I was going to get some tea and didnt relise how strong it was. after maybe half a glass I felt like I was going to hurl. Maybe it was my nerves played a role in it but otherwise the night went well. I had a blast kicking it with her and I hope she had the same. We are supposed to kick it tomorrow so I hope plans dont fall through the cracks again. I know she may have a follow up appointment at the dentist tomorrow so its possible she wont be able to but I hope she can make it.

Stress level is at its lowest setting right now. joe was cool with me, I am becoming cool with him and Sally at the same time. I am starting to be able to cope a little better with the jealousy I am feeling. But its natural to be jealous so well, not to worried. Just hope this possible job comes through.

anyways, time for bed, might get a call early tomorrow.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Iceman on September 28, 2004, 10:40:36 am
You over analyise a problem EE. You seem to sit down and get caught up in an endless loop of possible solutions to your problem, and in the end you seem to arrive right back where you started.

What you need to do is simple. Either get over this girl and move on...or make a move on her. Because this is getting to the point of boarderline obsession.




You know I've never posted in this particular thread, but just reading that post, you have no idea how much it just helped me out. Sometimes you've just gotta hear it from someone other than yourself.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on September 28, 2004, 12:16:51 pm
You over analyise a problem EE. You seem to sit down and get caught up in an endless loop of possible solutions to your problem, and in the end you seem to arrive right back where you started.

What you need to do is simple. Either get over this girl and move on...or make a move on her. Because this is getting to the point of boarderline obsession.




You know I've never posted in this particular thread, but just reading that post, you have no idea how much it just helped me out. Sometimes you've just gotta hear it from someone other than yourself.

Pun is harsh but he speaketh the truth! Everyone, including me, can over analyise a situation and more often than not it is more to excorcise the feelings you get after having a situation or experience that you wish you can change but can't.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on September 28, 2004, 12:20:51 pm
Yeah, the pictures turned out really well...obviously I wasn't the one taking them. :)

I didn't even realize it was a chain of bars until I checked the website the day after.  It also explained the live entertainment stuff they had...which was sh*t but understandable.

Hey RS, have you heard of a club called Fabric in London?  My friend from Vienna decided to come up for the weekend, and as its her birthday I thought we'd go clubbing in style.  I've heard good things about this place, and though it's 15 pounds to get in, I thought we'd check it out.

Ah I'm really sorry Ken, I've hardly been to any clubs in London, (only a few crappy ones), I don't live there and only go there to see a couple of mates every few months. Mind you, for £15 it had better be good.  ;D I think some of the best clubs are up North, Cream in Liverpool being one of the more notable ones. If you get the chance to go to that you'll have a whale of a time.

Sorry, for someone living in the UK I'm not much of a guide.  :P
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on September 28, 2004, 12:33:35 pm
Well, we've heard some good thing about it, so we're going to give it a shot.

BTW, what part of England are you in RS?
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Jack Morris on September 28, 2004, 01:28:10 pm
I wish I could go clubbing with you guys, but right now I need to concentrate on me. I hope that ya'll have a blast.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on September 28, 2004, 02:20:04 pm
Well, we've heard some good thing about it, so we're going to give it a shot.

BTW, what part of England are you in RS?

I live in Hampshire, in a town between Southampton and Portsmouth on the coast. It's quite nice down here if a little mildly uninteresting. I think it's about 80 odd miles from London.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on September 28, 2004, 03:57:41 pm
I've actually been down that way before when I previously visited my sister.  Spent the day down in Portsmouth, which was quite nice.  Went to some military museum there which had a tank out front of it, and found it to be pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Redshift the Kook on September 28, 2004, 05:48:01 pm
I've actually been down that way before when I previously visited my sister.  Spent the day down in Portsmouth, which was quite nice.  Went to some military museum there which had a tank out front of it, and found it to be pretty sweet.

Yeah, Portsmouth is OK for the history and military stuff, HMS Victory is worth a visit as well as the Mary Rose and the Warrior. Heck, I'd invite you down but I've got some hardcore work issues to deal with, (I'm thinking of handing my notice in tomorrow).  ::) Getting a job in the UK isn't hard, most companies are screaming for staff, but finding a job I can handle on a day to day basis is another thing. Maybe people in the US and Canada wouldn't smypathise so much with this situation but things are a bit different over here.  :-\
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Just plain old Punisher on September 28, 2004, 08:26:39 pm
I didn't intent to be harsh, I only recognize something I've seen in myself. Let me ask you this EE. If you have, say, a quick 5 minute encounter with this person and then haven't seen them for awhile...do you rehash almost every second of that encounter in your mind? Do you Analise the persons body language to exacting detail to the point to where even the smallest gesture or inflection must mean something important?

Was she angry at me? What could I have done differently? Should I have said this and not that?

Do you tend to pick apart everything this person says, and examine it from every angle that you can?

You can lay awake at night thinking and thinking and thinking, never letting your mind shut down. And in the end, after you lose sleep, stress yourself to the point of ulcer...have you made any progress? This isn't a harsh judgement, just questions I've had to ask myself at one point or another.

There's a difference, IMHO, between playing hard to get....and playing with your mind. I don't really pretend to fully understand the situation, but I do see some things that are cause for concern. You're an excellent diplomat EE, and a pretty good detective -- You're very carefull to avoid conflict or making things difficult. You also sit down and put a whole lot of thought into this girls actions. But I don't think diplomacy or detecting is going to get you far in this one, because I think you've already found out what you need to know about this person.

Or to sum it up in a few words....it really shouldn't be this hard.


Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Jack Morris on September 28, 2004, 08:31:57 pm
Excellent post Pun, as I also have been there and done that in my younger years, and it SUCKED!
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 28, 2004, 10:58:24 pm
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If you have, say, a quick 5 minute encounter with this person and then haven't seen them for awhile...do you rehash almost every second of that encounter in your mind?

nope.

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Do you Analise the persons body language to exacting detail to the point to where even the smallest gesture or inflection must mean something important?

If I said or did something wrong or possibly wrong, then yes, otherwise no.


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Was she angry at me? What could I have done differently? Should I have said this and not that?

Not really. Stuff, like the letter and our talk, I could have done or said differently. Things I could have re-worded but thats not in the back of my mind at all. The most I thought about with that is how I could have rephrased to be more clear but it was understood.

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Do you tend to pick apart everything this person says, and examine it from every angle that you can?

no, she is a very straight forward person, much like myself. Just occationally she is cryptic and I have to think about it a bit but I try not to think to hard on it

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You can lay awake at night thinking and thinking and thinking, never letting your mind shut down. And in the end, after you lose sleep, stress yourself to the point of ulcer...have you made any progress?

nope, generally I just fall to sleep unless I go to bed early and am not tired but I have news radio to keep my mind in check

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There's a difference, IMHO, between playing hard to get....and playing with your mind.

I dont think she is playing with my mind. That totally is not her style. I know her position with him, they have known eachother about 8 times longer then I have known her. I also know she had a crush on him for a while, something she told me and I told her I knew about. She may be playing hard to get but I dont know. I am just attempting to deal with the situation best I can. I am becoming more accepting of it but my jealousy gets in the way sometimes.

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I don't really pretend to fully understand the situation, but I do see some things that are cause for concern. You're an excellent diplomat EE, and a pretty good detective -- You're very carefull to avoid conflict or making things difficult.

I dont fully understand the situation myself, sadly. Hopefully in time I will understand better. What things do you see as a cause of concern?

As for the diplomatic relations, I want things to be as easy on her as possible. I dont want to pressure her, I want her to be happy, if its not with me and someone else, then thats cool. I hope it can be me but if not, that matters little. Shes one of my best friends and maybe its best staying that way, who knows. In time I will have my answers... I hope.

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You also sit down and put a whole lot of thought into this girls actions.

I put a lot of thought into peoples actions, it allows me to figure them out. to an extent

 
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But I don't think diplomacy or detecting is going to get you far in this one, because I think you've already found out what you need to know about this person.

Perhaps the answer is so obvious that I just dont see it. explain what you think is going on.

Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 28, 2004, 11:22:13 pm
OK EE, here's what you need to do:
You need an edge, something to entice her away from the playa and into your arms.
SO I said to myself, "self, what can EE do to entice the chick?"  and after some deliberate thought, I said "well self, what he needs is to be more of a man."
So, how do I become more of a man? You ask?  Simple- cardivascular exercise.  you see, cardivascular exercise increases over all health, vitality, strength and endurance.  Now endurance is a good thing for a man to have, and chicks dig it, but there's more.  Now, if you remember your anatomy and physiology, the male anatomy depends higly on bloodflow.  What do these two things have in common, you ask?  Simple- cardivascular exercise also increases bloodflow, and to some degree overall blood levels.  More blood and better bloodflow means more blood for the male anatomy, giving you your natural enhancement, which will impress her.
Now I know your sacriligious and blashpamous comments on wanting tiny bewbies, which I don't want to here again, you pagan monkey bastard, but if you tell me how a large male anatomy is a turn off for you as well, then, quite franly, we are no longer friends.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 28, 2004, 11:42:24 pm
OK EE, here's what you need to do:
You need an edge, something to entice her away from the playa and into your arms.
SO I said to myself, "self, what can EE do to entice the chick?"  and after some deliberate thought, I said "well self, what he needs is to be more of a man."
So, how do I become more of a man? You ask?  Simple- cardivascular exercise.  you see, cardivascular exercise increases over all health, vitality, strength and endurance.  Now endurance is a good thing for a man to have, and chicks dig it, but there's more.  Now, if you remember your anatomy and physiology, the male anatomy depends higly on bloodflow.  What do these two things have in common, you ask?  Simple- cardivascular exercise also increases bloodflow, and to some degree overall blood levels.  More blood and better bloodflow means more blood for the male anatomy, giving you your natural enhancement, which will impress her.
Now I know your sacriligious and blashpamous comments on wanting tiny bewbies, which I don't want to here again, you pagan monkey bastard, but if you tell me how a large male anatomy is a turn off for you as well, then, quite franly, we are no longer friends.

Ok, first off, the thing she hates most is muscular men. She doesnt mind a little flab here and there.

endurance wise, well, lets say I can handle 14 hours moving over 10 tons of crap in a night, she weighs 100 lbs and well, I think i am prepared.

second off, my manhood is thicker then her wrist, I dont think I will leave her with wanting more though thats not what I am after.

And its not that I want tiny bewbies, as you so put it. I just dont like big ones. mid B, Mid C max, depending on height. She is 5 feet tall, she is pushing on the large for her size, which is 34 B but it doesnt look bad on her. I cant say where I have ever been impressed with D's because it just looks foul.

I must add something. I worked at a strip club for a year, I have seen more then my fair share of D's and well, not a single pair, real or fake, ever looked good. Then again, I dont like blondes either. I just dont follow the typical american brainwashing that a big titted blonde is whats best.

also, thanks for the laugh.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Iceman on September 28, 2004, 11:43:30 pm
OK EE, here's what you need to do:
You need an edge, something to entice her away from the playa and into your arms.
SO I said to myself, "self, what can EE do to entice the chick?"  and after some deliberate thought, I said "well self, what he needs is to be more of a man."
So, how do I become more of a man? You ask?  Simple- cardivascular exercise.  you see, cardivascular exercise increases over all health, vitality, strength and endurance.  Now endurance is a good thing for a man to have, and chicks dig it, but there's more.  Now, if you remember your anatomy and physiology, the male anatomy depends higly on bloodflow.  What do these two things have in common, you ask?  Simple- cardivascular exercise also increases bloodflow, and to some degree overall blood levels.  More blood and better bloodflow means more blood for the male anatomy, giving you your natural enhancement, which will impress her.
Now I know your sacriligious and blashpamous comments on wanting tiny bewbies, which I don't want to here again, you pagan monkey bastard, but if you tell me how a large male anatomy is a turn off for you as well, then, quite franly, we are no longer friends.


Good laugh after a long night, but OH so true!
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 29, 2004, 09:51:16 am
Ok, first off, the thing she hates most is muscular men. She doesnt mind a little flab here and there.

endurance wise, well, lets say I can handle 14 hours moving over 10 tons of crap in a night, she weighs 100 lbs and well, I think i am prepared.

second off, my manhood is thicker then her wrist, I dont think I will leave her with wanting more though thats not what I am after.

And its not that I want tiny bewbies, as you so put it. I just dont like big ones. mid B, Mid C max, depending on height. She is 5 feet tall, she is pushing on the large for her size, which is 34 B but it doesnt look bad on her. I cant say where I have ever been impressed with D's because it just looks foul.

I must add something. I worked at a strip club for a year, I have seen more then my fair share of D's and well, not a single pair, real or fake, ever looked good. Then again, I dont like blondes either. I just dont follow the typical american brainwashing that a big titted blonde is whats best.

also, thanks for the laugh.

1. I'm not sayong become buff, just more cariovascularly fit.
2. Thicker than her wrotst huh?  I've never met a girl with 3/8 inch wrists before.
3. B's are not large by any means.  I don't know what spawns this fear of the bewbies for you, but I suggest you seek professional help, because it's just plain wrong.
4. Is this strip club you worked at hiring?
5. Glad I could give you a good laugh dude
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 29, 2004, 11:13:51 am
The club is under new ownership, It used to be Deja Vu but now its a Larry Flint's Hustler Club. I would never do that job again.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: oldmanken on September 29, 2004, 12:26:00 pm
CK,

It's all about proportions my man.  Even so, large breasts are just unatractive...though I'm more of an ass man.  Anything more than a handful is just a waste, as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 29, 2004, 04:09:11 pm
1. I'm not sayong become buff, just more cariovascularly fit.

I am

2. Thicker than her wrotst huh?  I've never met a girl with 3/8 inch wrists before.

lol

3. B's are not large by any means.  I don't know what spawns this fear of the bewbies for you, but I suggest you seek professional help, because it's just plain wrong.

depends on hieght. if shes 5 foot, B is fine, if she is 6 foot, which honestly, I dont like tall chicks, C is fine but it also depends on body structure.

4. Is this strip club you worked at hiring?

yeah but I refuse to work there.

5. Glad I could give you a good laugh dude

A good laugh is always needed
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 29, 2004, 10:11:36 pm
CK,

It's all about proportions my man.  Even so, large breasts are just unatractive...though I'm more of an ass man.  Anything more than a handful is just a waste, as far as I'm concerned.

Dear God, IT'S SPREADING!!!
See what you did EE?  This crap has to stop.  I will NOT listen you you and your anti bewbie propaganda anymore.  It's unamerican.  It's inhuman.  It's just friggen WRONG!!!!
Quit rippin on the bewbies!!!
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 30, 2004, 01:04:06 am
I dont see what the problem is, people like me are not attracted to the melons, that means more for you. We are not a threat, we come in peace. More for you!
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 30, 2004, 10:59:39 am
Well if you put it that way, I can deal.  Send Sally and her magnificient melons my way!!
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on September 30, 2004, 02:56:50 pm
Well if you put it that way, I can deal.  Send Sally and her magnificient melons my way!!

sorry, just some things I just cant allow to happen.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 30, 2004, 08:20:10 pm
What???  I'd treat her really good.  Even if she didn't put out I'd pamper her real good just for the opportunity to be near the melons. ;D
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Iceman on September 30, 2004, 08:25:38 pm
Sooooo what high school is Clark going to attend next year? lol
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on September 30, 2004, 08:28:46 pm
He's too old ofr high school, lmao.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on October 01, 2004, 03:41:30 pm
What???  I'd treat her really good.  Even if she didn't put out I'd pamper her real good just for the opportunity to be near the melons. ;D

Dont make me track you down :D
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on October 01, 2004, 09:51:36 pm
Dont make me track you down :D

For what?  So you can let me play with sally?   ;D
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on October 04, 2004, 05:55:33 pm
He6y Hsta, if you need to get ahold of me, my Email is in my profile.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Hstaphath_XC on October 04, 2004, 10:28:33 pm
He6y Hsta, if you need to get ahold of me, my Email is in my profile.

Okay, if you are offline at the time, the only other way I could contact you as soon as I hear anything is if you shoot me your cell number.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Hstaphath_XC on October 06, 2004, 12:25:42 pm
Hey bro, I tried to call your cell but I'm blocked from connectiing to it from work.  Had to resort to sending an email.

... somewhere men are laughing and somewhere children shout, but there is no joy in Mudville...
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on October 06, 2004, 02:59:30 pm
I got your message, Ill try to call you around 7pm PST.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Jack Morris on October 06, 2004, 03:24:44 pm
Hope you are doing better EE. I do not know if you got my message but if I were you I would hold off on the turbo for the car for right now as it will require higher octane gas. You live in Cali and oil is at record highs, which means high gas prices.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on October 06, 2004, 06:10:05 pm
I did not recieve your message sorry man. As for doing better, still have yet to find work, going to attempt to get my job at P&R back. As for everything else, its as I had suspected. Not what i wanted but I can accept it and everything is still good. I think I am going to be taking a break from most things for a while so dont be worried if you dont see me around, I will be back.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on October 08, 2004, 07:13:52 pm
4 possibilities on monday, 2 of them interviews, hopefully one of them comes through. $14 to my name now and maybe a couple gallons in the tank tops.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on October 08, 2004, 07:16:22 pm
Damn dude, hope things pick up for you fast.  Time to ask about that $300 loan.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on October 08, 2004, 07:49:09 pm
I cant.

It will work out, I have confidence in that.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on October 08, 2004, 07:51:26 pm
Why can't you?
I'm sure it will work out, but will it work out fast enough?
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on October 08, 2004, 09:01:14 pm
Because I am the type of person who doesnt like help.

It will work out, not positive but it has before and I think it will again.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on October 10, 2004, 05:20:43 pm
I just might have to.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on October 10, 2004, 11:09:13 pm
It's jsut a loan, and it's been offered.  A helping hand isn't anything to be ashamed of.
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: Clark Kent on October 12, 2004, 03:20:25 pm
Don't think this thread has ever dropped to page 2...
How you holding up EE?
Title: Re: Well...
Post by: EE on October 12, 2004, 04:41:26 pm
doing ok. The 3 things I had lined up didnt go so well. The interview I had set up was cancled because they filled the positions while I was filling out the application. Got a few places I am checking today. Going to hit 7-up as soon as I find their location, they are based near me apparently. Also going to try to see if I can get a buser position at my friends work where he is a waiter.

other then that, Sally and I are friends so everything is good on that side of things too.

car is still being a pain.