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Taldrenites => General Starfleet Command Forum => Topic started by: kephren on December 11, 2006, 08:19:35 pm
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My first impression is -- graphics are beautiful but the game itself is deadly boring.
Essentially, you use counterintuitive keyboard controls to make a starship fly like a biplane and keep hitting the mouse keys until a meter (representing the enemy ship) turns completely red. That's the combat system. I'd rank it considerably less interesting than Pacman or Pong.
There's no strategy to weapon selection. Every time you touch the mouse it meaninglessly changes the camera angle, which has no connection whatsoever to your ability to fight. So your point of view is always jumping around, for no good reason. You could just keep your hand off the mouse, but then you can't fire. I imagine that some customization of the controls might have fixed this, but the fact that they'd make such a crappy set of default controls argues poorly for the game design.
While you're fighting, the "aliens" keep making stupid remarks like "The Praetor wants you dead" -- as if that's supposed to add some drama to an essentially pointless exercise. If you manage to get close to the enemy and get the enemy in your forward sights, you get a better hit. That's an excellent strategy for a Sopwith Camel, but completely archaic for a starship. Moreover, as the ships get bigger, they get slower and duller. Great design concept, guys.
If I were to net it out, I'd say that Legacy takes the dumbest part of Bridge Commander (the mind-bendingly dull combat system) and combined with the dumbest part of Starfleet Command (the limited "combat area" concept) and rolled it together with a dumbed-down version of Microsoft Flight Simulator. It really doesn't get much worse than this. Seriously.
In short, as a game, Legacy is a real dog. The graphics are gorgeous, though, so it will probably be, like Bridge Commander, primarily useful as a machinima engine.
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Ohh.
And that as they say, is that.
Why am I not surprised?
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Eh, once you play it for a while and get used to the controls, ya get used to it... though I'm still disappointed in this excuse for a Star Trek game... and to make it worse, there is no protection on the disc, no CD-key, no proper installation (No shortcuts are made on the desktop, you have to hunt down the installation directory and find it yourself), and you can play the game without the disc in the cd-drive, which makes me start to be suspicious that this was only for Bethesda to make a quick buck because the so called patch they just released creates more bugs than it fixes (Such as, duplicate nacelles falling off your ship, while the original one remains on it). *sigh* :'(
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There is a patch already,.. I thought they just released the game :-\
Well Kephren with that review I am so on my way to buy it. ::)
Thanks for the info, I was considering it but now unless I hear some really good stuff from other folks I will be sticking with OP.
Hey no chance in hell there is a way to import damage into a ship before game launch ? That is a requirement for my campaigns. Somehow I doubt that option is in the game.
Thanks for the review, even if it was not what I wanted to hear.
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the game is for xbox 360 or a pc?
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It's for both, though I take it they're talking about the PC version. I'd imagine the 360 version would have to have simpler (and better) controls than the mouse version they're describing because of the 360 joypad.
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How do you patch the 360 version ?
I bet you just play with it messed up !
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i heard that you can download patch for some game for the 360, how much is that game?
what is the requirement for it?
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The general thought is that the PC version of Legacy is a poor port of the XBox Version. I find it to be a crazy combination of OP, Bridge Commander, and Nexus: The Jupiter Incident. There've been screenshot comparisons of Legacy, Modded BC, and the Star Trek Mod for Nexus. Can't really do that as we do not have a modded Legacy (new ships, etc.) to speak of.
There are several people, including myself, working on Mods for this game. The multiplayer limit has been increased to 8 (a mod).
Do not discount it yet - 8)
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There isn't a patch for the 360 version because it was designed properly for the 360... the PC version seems to have been done quickly and carelessly because of the need for a controller to play it without a problem and the lack of key configuration capabilities...
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My first impression is -- graphics are beautiful but the game itself is deadly boring.
Essentially, you use counterintuitive keyboard controls to make a starship fly like a biplane and keep hitting the mouse keys until a meter (representing the enemy ship) turns completely red. That's the combat system. I'd rank it considerably less interesting than Pacman or Pong.
There's no strategy to weapon selection. Every time you touch the mouse it meaninglessly changes the camera angle, which has no connection whatsoever to your ability to fight. So your point of view is always jumping around, for no good reason. You could just keep your hand off the mouse, but then you can't fire. I imagine that some customization of the controls might have fixed this, but the fact that they'd make such a crappy set of default controls argues poorly for the game design.
While you're fighting, the "aliens" keep making stupid remarks like "The Praetor wants you dead" -- as if that's supposed to add some drama to an essentially pointless exercise. If you manage to get close to the enemy and get the enemy in your forward sights, you get a better hit. That's an excellent strategy for a Sopwith Camel, but completely archaic for a starship. Moreover, as the ships get bigger, they get slower and duller. Great design concept, guys.
If I were to net it out, I'd say that Legacy takes the dumbest part of Bridge Commander (the mind-bendingly dull combat system) and combined with the dumbest part of Starfleet Command (the limited "combat area" concept) and rolled it together with a dumbed-down version of Microsoft Flight Simulator. It really doesn't get much worse than this. Seriously.
In short, as a game, Legacy is a real dog. The graphics are gorgeous, though, so it will probably be, like Bridge Commander, primarily useful as a machinima engine.
I'm sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. Yes, the game is deeply flawed as it was released too early with a diminished feature set and poor documentation. However, people's lament over the control scheme is not assisted by the fact that people started playing the game without having read the poor but existing manual for the game that explains how things are done. Moreover, as we have discovered, the game is a port of the 360 version so not surprisingly it works well with a 360 controller. Buy one for 20 bucks and you are set, with some help from the Legacy forums.
As to the player taunts, need I remind you of SFC's incessant AI player taunts. "Try to be more challenging". "He's sorcerer, that one". Etc, etc. The only benefit in SFC is that you can turn them off. In Legacy, the crew voicings actual contain useful information so killing the vocals in Legacy is problematic.
Nearly every game I can think of, SFC being no exception, allows a better hit chance at a closer distance. It makes sense. Ever alpha strike an opponent at range 0??? Or are you someone who hasn't really ever played any of these games (SFC, BC, Legacy) to any extent and is mouthing off about things he has no first hand knowledge.
It's an acknowledged law of physics that things with more mass have more inertia even in space, my friend. Perhaps you'd like your battleships to turn like X-Wings but it ain't gonna happen. "I kenna change the laws of physics" and neither does Legacy.
In summary, please go troll elsewhere, doody-head. ::)
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The general thought is that the PC version of Legacy is a poor port of the XBox Version. I find it to be a crazy combination of OP, Bridge Commander, and Nexus: The Jupiter Incident. There've been screenshot comparisons of Legacy, Modded BC, and the Star Trek Mod for Nexus. Can't really do that as we do not have a modded Legacy (new ships, etc.) to speak of.
There are several people, including myself, working on Mods for this game. The multiplayer limit has been increased to 8 (a mod).
Do not discount it yet - 8)
Darn...I was waiting for the discount ;D
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Dont you see that its a slap in the face of the older gamers, to convert a redarded Xbox version to pc.?
Do you see the ignorant spirit which is behind this.?
You know i tell you what they can do with this game,... Shove it up their ignorant asses till they puke,. how is that??
I am sick of those greedy idiots. Guess wht my kids never wil find under the christmas tree,..
DOnt support consoles People, or we are stuck with this crap forever. ::)
Make a point by not buying stuff that is retarded and leads to further unwanted developments.!!
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I don't know. The game was intended for the 360 although we were not really led to believe this. They have ported it, essentially, to the PC. I don't have a 360. I do have a PC. So, I get to play a game that I wouldn't be able to play otherwise. I don't see that as a bad thing.
As to the quality of the game, that is another issue. It's a 360 game. It's not going to be deep.
Also we know that the game is based on an older game that never saw the light of day. Star Trek Admiral, I think. Mad-Doc reused a good deal of what they had done with Armada 2. Given that, one's expectations shouldn't have been high except that the company in question hyped the game quite a bit and did not follow through.
There are satisfying aspects of the game but many, many flaws, but it is safe to say that more people are playing it right now than SFC. To me, that is not a bad thing. There is a great deal of bluster on the boards over at bethsoft and a lot of reviewers who are failing to understand the most basic of the game's controls which is certainly do in large part to Bethsoft shoving this thing out the door, however if and when they patch the game as they should, I think things will settle down a bit.
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Dont you see that its a slap in the face of the older gamers, to convert a redarded Xbox version to pc.?
Do you see the ignorant spirit which is behind this.?
You know i tell you what they can do with this game,... Shove it up their ignorant asses till they puke,. how is that??
I am sick of those greedy idiots. Guess wht my kids never wil find under the christmas tree,..
DOnt support consoles People, or we are stuck with this crap forever. ::)
Make a point by not buying stuff that is retarded and leads to further unwanted developments.!!
2 thumbs up for you, FRA.E.Kehakoul_XC. This, unfortunately, is what it's all about and nails it right on the head. The only way we have to stop this from happening is by not buying it. Support well done games and good developers. Buying this just because it's Trek is a mistake.
As far as there being more people playing it right now than SFC... No kidding. It's brand new. :smackhead: How many people do you think will still be playing it say... 3 yrs from now, never mind twice that long? Probably zero, I'd wager.
P.S. Here's another excellent post that says it way better than I could.
http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163370103.msg1122771847.html#msg1122771847
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I'm sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about... Or are you someone who hasn't really ever played any of these games (SFC, BC, Legacy) to any extent and is mouthing off about things he has no first hand knowledge.
It's an acknowledged law of physics that things with more mass have more inertia even in space, my friend. Perhaps you'd like your battleships to turn like X-Wings but it ain't gonna happen. "I kenna change the laws of physics" and neither does Legacy.
In summary, please go troll elsewhere, doody-head. ::)
Uhh... You might want to check out my signature (and find out about Borg War) before commenting on my level of experience with Star Trek computer games.
Also, my articles on gaming -- specifically machinima -- have appeared over the past year in Computer Gaming World. So I'm not *entirely* certain I can be characterized as a "troll."
The problem with Legacy isn't physics; it's that it's a flight simulator. Starships are ships, not planes. The game's basic design is fatally flawed.
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I guess my comments over there still apply here too
http://www.dynaverse.net/forum/index.php/topic,163371595.0/all.html
Check out the very last post.
Like how many times can you insult the various folks on this forum,..
Are you blind to the rancor your bring here ?
Lepton you consistantly cause nothing but ill feelings and discord among us. Frey/Admins already warned about it and still do it ?
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if someone don't like the game don't shoot them, if you like it its your choice but don't start telling them that the should buy joystick and control to play it
a space game like sfc you control a ship so you use the keyboard, a game like starwars i will use a joystick or a control
so since you control a ship like in sfc you should use a keyboard for it, if you don't agree well its your choice, but don't star a war over it
you can express your opinion but don't attack other for it
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Exactly DonKarnage.
I know Kephran is one of the newer members (respectfully), but I have never seen him be anything but nice and considerate when posting here. You guys can disagree with out being Disagreeable.
IF your determined to get into a pissing match, please do it via PM's as we really don't want these kinds of arguements here, and the mod's Admins, will lock a thread faster then an in and out burger goes through your system.
Just please be respectfull to each other.
Stephen
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I'm not sure about you guys, but all I know is that I shouldn't have to buy a 360 controller for my PC just to play a game that was meant to be played on the PC. I would've bought a console if I wanted to play games with a joypad controller.
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I understand where your coming from on that Bossman. Ferrit, bought me a copy of Crimson Skies quite a few years ago (pc version), and I had to get a good flight stick. OF course, It was a boon in away, as I've used that same stick for quite awhile. I probably never would have bought it otherwise.
I guess the thing is, Will you have future use for that controller or not? Now I don't have the game, But I wrote a profile for SFC in order to use my Nostromo 52 game pad, and I couldn't be happier. What will really make my day, Is in the very near future, I'm planning on buying that G15 or something keyboard, and when I do, They have a proggy to throw up some info on that screen.
Stephen
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I'm sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about... Or are you someone who hasn't really ever played any of these games (SFC, BC, Legacy) to any extent and is mouthing off about things he has no first hand knowledge.
It's an acknowledged law of physics that things with more mass have more inertia even in space, my friend. Perhaps you'd like your battleships to turn like X-Wings but it ain't gonna happen. "I kenna change the laws of physics" and neither does Legacy.
In summary, please go troll elsewhere, doody-head. ::)
Uhh... You might want to check out my signature (and find out about Borg War) before commenting on my level of experience with Star Trek computer games.
Also, my articles on gaming -- specifically machinima -- have appeared over the past year in Computer Gaming World. So I'm not *entirely* certain I can be characterized as a "troll."
The problem with Legacy isn't physics; it's that it's a flight simulator. Starships are ships, not planes. The game's basic design is fatally flawed.
Your comments are trollish, i.e. exaggerated, unfounded, lacking in specific detail, demonstrating a lack of information and experience, and overall negative for no particular reason. I am sure that Skaren would agree that I know what trolling is.
My guess is that you posted slamming Legacy, a game which you failed to learn how to play as I can clearly see, in a forum that would be hostile to it so that you might attract attention to yourself and your own machinima project.
I mean seriously, I have seen much better player reviews that were thoughtful and sensible on the Bethsoft boards. What do you think you are adding to the general good by a substandard and ill-formed opinion and review? Not much.
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Enough and locked.
Stephen