Sounds like the worst fanfic ever, yet Entertainment Weekly gave it an A score and they usually hate everything that isn't an arthouse flick. As far as the incontinuities in plot and character behavior go - just remember their target audience and you will see why it is that way. They are obviously afraid to lay down anything too heavily highbrow or philisophical or even intelligent for fear of boring people. Just one more step away from the things that made ST stand out in the first place and gave it the legs to last this long.
I loved the 2009 film...
Can someone tell me how in the hell TWO dead ships. In damn near LUNAR ORBIT. More, or less at a dead stop right above the freaking MOON! Get sucked into Earths gravity well.
Can someone tell me how in the hell TWO dead ships. In damn near LUNAR ORBIT. More, or less at a dead stop right above the freaking MOON! Get sucked into Earths gravity well. Travel to Earth from the moon in less than FIVE minutes with NO POWER! Damn near crash on earth! Meanwhile the crippled "uber ship" almost collides with the big E at the same spot right above San Francisco. Starfleet Headquarters must be at the center of this huge ass gravity well, because everything in JJ Trek seems to gravitate towards it. From the Narada, To the Big E. To The Death Star, err I mean the "Black Knight", err i mean.. Ah Hell its yet another Ubership the size of a freaking Borg Cube.
I suppose if a JJ Trek 3 is made the Klingon "ubership" will be the size of Vger.
Dont get me wrong the movie was "Entertaining" despite the "Been there, Done that" plot. Its just it has plot holes the size of a black hole.
Can someone tell me how in the hell TWO dead ships. In damn near LUNAR ORBIT. More, or less at a dead stop right above the freaking MOON! Get sucked into Earths gravity well.
Oh, Stress, thank you, I needed that laugh right now...
Just saw today, still thinking about it, and mostly not polite thoughts, but, um.... the music wasn't bad. Some early scenes actually sounded in the style of TOS.
And, uh... I liked the little trails left after the ship goes into warp...
I have many more thigns to say, but, for now, this "FAQ" kinda speaks for me..
[url]http://io9.com/star-trek-into-darkness-the-spoiler-faq-508927844?utm_source=recirculation&utm_medium=recirculation&utm_campaign=afternoon[/url] ([url]http://io9.com/star-trek-into-darkness-the-spoiler-faq-508927844?utm_source=recirculation&utm_medium=recirculation&utm_campaign=afternoon[/url])
Dont get me wrong the movie was "Entertaining" despite the "Been there, Done that" plot. Its just it has plot holes the size of a black hole.
Why are there barcode scanner guns all over the ship (most notably the pair on the Helm, and 4 others on the bridge)? OK, I get we need to use today's things to show us the future, but couldn't we at least try to hide them better? Or give them a purpose? In Generations Picard's "son" is playing with a toy that I remember seeing commercials for (it was from the Aliens movie that came out just before) but at least it looked like it belonged... and had a purpose... These barcode scanners make me think the crew is going to be registering for a baby shower or wedding or something...
([url]http://image.dhgate.com/albu_286720074_00-1.0x0/acan-9800-laser-scanner-barcode-scanners.jpg[/url]) and ([url]http://www.barcodesinc.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/star-trek-barcode-scanners.jpg[/url])
One thing I thought was pretty cool...
Remember the whole Speech between Khan and his Helmsman in TWOK? I'll chase him around the moons of Nibia and partitions flames, etc. blah blah.
Anyone notice the name of the planet at the beginning of the movie?
He tasks me. He tasks me and I shall have him! I'll chase him 'round the moons of Nibia and 'round the Antares Maelstrom and 'round Perdition's flames before I give him up!
If you thin trek fans are picky, wait until star wars fans see what JJ does with star wars. If he boots that, he better lookout!
If you thin trek fans are picky, wait until star wars fans see what JJ does with star wars. If he boots that, he better lookout!
He is a Star Wars fan.
He should never go to a Trek convention if after butchering Trek he sticks by Star Wars canon. Not if he wants to live.
For the record, the planet at the beginning of the Into Darkness is "Nibiru," so any similarities to "the moons of Nibia" is probably coincidental.
As far as the "new" 5-year mission, I thought the whole point of the new timeline is that all bets are off and JJ can do what he wants, so I woudln't expect just a redo of seasons 1-3. After all, in JJ-verse, it's 2259, 7 years before the first season, and they already know or run into - Mudd, tribbles, Gorns and by dialogue in '09, are already aware that Romulans are off-shoots of the Vulcans.
Dude, speaking of anti JJism. I was just told off by someone at the BCC forums for commenting on the same topic we have here. I mentioned how a lot of people in my theatre complained that the lens flare was too much. He told me I have no life, as a matter of fact he said all people who complained about JJ lens flare have less a life then the people who complain about Trekkies. Kind of called me an idiot too.
I had I tell him that my opinion of JJverse is directed to JJ n the movie not to the fans who like JJTrek. Eh. Made me mad.
Adam
I was thinking of a Bynar too, although this one is like the supermodel of his species that shows up on Binar magazine covers, but a JJ-version of Norman sounds cool too. But he's just there because JJ liked the cantina bar scene from Star Wars...
ps ANOTHER thing I hated - the afore-mentioned doohickey. Being that it's the crucial part of the matter/ANTIMATTER warp core, shouldn't Kirk been, you know, VAPORISED? Forget radiation, that boy should be toast.
I was thinking of a Bynar too, although this one is like the supermodel of his species that shows up on Binar magazine covers, but a JJ-version of Norman sounds cool too. But he's just there because JJ liked the cantina bar scene from Star Wars...
ps ANOTHER thing I hated - the afore-mentioned doohickey. Being that it's the crucial part of the matter/ANTIMATTER warp core, shouldn't Kirk been, you know, VAPORISED? Forget radiation, that boy should be toast.
Considering it was offline when he was kicking it, Id say nope. However the residual radiation was bad enough.
I was thinking of a Bynar too, although this one is like the supermodel of his species that shows up on Binar magazine covers, but a JJ-version of Norman sounds cool too. But he's just there because JJ liked the cantina bar scene from Star Wars...
ps ANOTHER thing I hated - the afore-mentioned doohickey. Being that it's the crucial part of the matter/ANTIMATTER warp core, shouldn't Kirk been, you know, VAPORISED? Forget radiation, that boy should be toast.
Considering it was offline when he was kicking it, Id say nope. However the residual radiation was bad enough.
But it comes online right away when his last kick does the trick, so Kirk should get annihilated. :skeptic:
Did you guys notice the guy on the bridge that sounded like a machine and had the cybernetic implant on the back of his head?
Adam
Somewhere Berman and Braga are congratulating each other since it has been proven that there is someone less suited to make Star Trek than them.
Just saw it yesterday, I couldn't believe what I saw. It was a sad day for trek, I don't wanna spoil anything but it was terrible :hoppin:
Adam
For the record, cyborg dude on the bridge is identified as "Science Officer 0718." So, not something canon like we all thought, but just something they thought looked "neat."
[url]http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Science_Officer_0718[/url] ([url]http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Science_Officer_0718[/url])
For the record, cyborg dude on the bridge is identified as "Science Officer 0718." So, not something canon like we all thought, but just something they thought looked "neat."
[url]http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Science_Officer_0718[/url] ([url]http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Science_Officer_0718[/url])
Personally, I think this post captures everything I'll need to know about that film.
Not to nitpick (ok, I'm a Trekkie, I live to nitpick), but TWOK wasn't "Gene's" - he was pointedly cut out of the ST movie process ST2 onwards, as a "consultant" who as rarely listened to or tolerated, frankly.
That's why I prefer ST TV to the TOS movies - they were Trek'lite, IMHO
Not to nitpick (ok, I'm a Trekkie, I live to nitpick), but TWOK wasn't "Gene's" - he was pointedly cut out of the ST movie process ST2 onwards, as a "consultant" who as rarely listened to or tolerated, frankly.
That's why I prefer ST TV to the TOS movies - they were Trek'lite, IMHO
Gene had a few good ideas in the 60s, but outside of that he was a disaster. The only film where he was a major creative influence was TMP. Paramount blamed him for it, which was why he was cut out of the other films. They only brought him on board for TNG because they needed to create a link to TOS. And the first season of TNG which he had full creative control over SUCKED.
I would say it was DC Fontana who linked TOS to the TNG episodes as for the films that would be Harve Beneette.I would say Gene authorised them.
I wanted to know weather this ST was worth the time it took to watch, let alone the ticket price. While WoK was OK, the rest of the ST movies went were either bad, worse, or ST V.I liked all the TOS crew movies even 5 more so than I can say for the TNG movies they were better on the small screen.
Since GR had already "moved on" to TNG, I'm sure he'd have no problem killing off Shatner, er, Kirk.That is why most turned there backs on Trek alteast most baby boomers who grew up with it.It happened agian when data died in Nemisis.
I really don't think "most" turned away from ST over Kirk's death. I know a lot of fans,I would really say the heard core fans did those that were more into ToS which most are baby boomers ever since then sales plumetted on ST merchandise.The fan mag Star Trek communicator closed shortly after the end of Nemisis which Data did die.
This is prevelent mostly in North America as there are lots of TOS fans more so than TNG.There are lots of TNG in Europe compared to TOS.That is why SFB is bigger in North America.
That, I was very assure of to bad Paramount would of made more if they continued with the Orignal cast more so then TNG.This is prevelent mostly in North America as there are lots of TOS fans more so than TNG.There are lots of TNG in Europe compared to TOS.That is why SFB is bigger in North America.
Ah No. By the time Generations was released, it was clear that there weren't going to be any new TOS based procutions. The original cast was aging. Kirk at least got to die kicking %$$.
That, I was very assure of to bad Paramount would of made more if they continued with the Orignal cast more so then TNG.This is prevelent mostly in North America as there are lots of TOS fans more so than TNG.There are lots of TNG in Europe compared to TOS.That is why SFB is bigger in North America.
Ah No. By the time Generations was released, it was clear that there weren't going to be any new TOS based procutions. The original cast was aging. Kirk at least got to die kicking %$$.
I know that but they could of continued even without them just wite in the script.That, I was very assure of to bad Paramount would of made more if they continued with the Orignal cast more so then TNG.This is prevelent mostly in North America as there are lots of TOS fans more so than TNG.There are lots of TNG in Europe compared to TOS.That is why SFB is bigger in North America.
Ah No. By the time Generations was released, it was clear that there weren't going to be any new TOS based procutions. The original cast was aging. Kirk at least got to die kicking %$$.
The original cast officially retired from Starfleet at the end of Star Trek VI. Even if they hadn't, the cast was getting on in years, and they started dying off after Generations. Mark Lenard died in 1996, Deforest Kelly died in 1999, James Doohan died in 2005.
I know that but they could of continued even without them just wite in the script.That, I was very assure of to bad Paramount would of made more if they continued with the Orignal cast more so then TNG.This is prevelent mostly in North America as there are lots of TOS fans more so than TNG.There are lots of TNG in Europe compared to TOS.That is why SFB is bigger in North America.
Ah No. By the time Generations was released, it was clear that there weren't going to be any new TOS based procutions. The original cast was aging. Kirk at least got to die kicking %$$.
The original cast officially retired from Starfleet at the end of Star Trek VI. Even if they hadn't, the cast was getting on in years, and they started dying off after Generations. Mark Lenard died in 1996, Deforest Kelly died in 1999, James Doohan died in 2005.
The reference manual Star Trek: The Next Generation Officer's Manual gives reference McCoy holding, in actuality, a special rank known as "branch admiral".
I believe that when we leave a place, part of it goes with us and part of us remains. Go anywhere in the station when it is quiet, and just listen. After a while, you will hear the echoes of all our conversations, every thought and word we've exchanged. Long after we are gone, our voices will linger in these walls for as long as this place remains. But I will admit that the part of me that is going will very much miss the part of you that is staying
He had dudes running around in skirts.
Berman saved Star Trek after Roddenberry went senile and nearly ran it into the ground.He did kill it after bring out Enterpise and killing off to icons of that of Kirk and Data imgaine what it would of been like of Spack was not brought back.It would of been the end of Trek no one would of gone out to see another ST movie.
Berman saved Star Trek after Roddenberry went senile and nearly ran it into the ground.He did kill it after bring out Enterpise and killing off to icons of that of Kirk and Data imgaine what it would of been like of Spack was not brought back.It would of been the end of Trek no one would of gone out to see another ST movie.
There are a lot of Kirk fans out there who are disappointed after Generations.I am one of them.
... He saved Star Trek, and for some stupid reason, the studio chose to throw everything he had done down the toilet by letting Abrams pervert it.
They did tinker with idea of having the TOS cast in ST 7 but decided not to.Who say hes gone?Berman saved Star Trek after Roddenberry went senile and nearly ran it into the ground.He did kill it after bring out Enterpise and killing off to icons of that of Kirk and Data imgaine what it would of been like of Spack was not brought back.It would of been the end of Trek no one would of gone out to see another ST movie.
There are a lot of Kirk fans out there who are disappointed after Generations.I am one of them.
KIRK WAS ALREADY GONE! There was NEVER going to be another TOS production by that point. What does it matter. As for Data, we don't know what they had planned for B4. He saved Star Trek, and for some stupid reason, the studio chose to throw everything he had done down the toilet by letting Abrams pervert it.
They did tinker with idea of having the TOS cast in ST 7 but decided not to.
Who say hes gone?
They were considering another flim with them.I just miss the old style of Trek with the ships of the 23 Century instead of the bemouths we see in the 24th yes like the canon ships of SFC.
They did tinker with idea of having the TOS cast in ST 7 but decided not to.
They wanted them to make a brief guest appearance at the opening. When they realized they didn't have the budget, it got cut down to the trio. When they couldn't get Nimoy and Kelly to sign off, Scotty and Chekov were substituted.
Who say hes gone?
If he hadn't shown up in Generations we would have never seen Kirk on screen again. The decision to end the original cast film series had been made years earlier. Kirk and company rode off into the sunset at the end of ST VI.
They were considering another flim with them.
Yes.They were as I found a youtube video about it some where.
They were considering another flim with them.
No they weren't. In fact, the only reason we had VI was because paramount wanted to cash in on the 25th anniversary with a final original cast film.